Unveiled in June at Apple's WWDC conference, id Software's new IP has been finally given a proper identity at QuakeCon 2007 -- and it's not Return to Quoom 3D. Shacknews reports that Rage, the first game to be built upon the id Tech 5 graphics engine, will feature a strong driving element through expansive outdoor environments, in addition to the frenzied firing of unnecessarily large weapons that gamers have come to expect from the developer. Speaking at a QuakeCon keynote, id co-founder and programmer John Carmack noted, "Everybody knows we're going to do a good job with the run and gun action stuff...but we are branching out."
Carmack did not specify which platforms he'd be unleashing the Rage upon, but explained that the game and its obscenely large textures would be shipping on two DVD discs (day and night cycles confirmed!) and one Blu-ray disc. We reckon that implies the same platforms id targeted for their new engine at the WWDC conference, namely PS3, Xbox 360, PC and Mac. We'll be sure to let you know once platforms have been officially designated.
Hah, that brings back great memories of Popeye. (Particularly the Spanish Popeye. That show is Hilarious when you don't understand what they are saying!)
Is it a racing (with guns) game? An action game with an emphasis on vehicular homicides? What is it?
Nice to see id is pushing the texture envelope and making Sony feel better about using a high capacity optical format while not being snobs about it and excluding the 360. Two disc value FTW!
once again a news confirming that DVDs are not enough anymore.. of course we'll hear all the "I don't care changing my discs" but you should just stop it before it gets embarassing.
Q: So was it embarassing to swap discs on PlayStation?
A: No, but PS1 was out before DVD drives, so it's ok.
Q: Do you realize the 360 was out before HD DVD and Blu-ray drives were finalized?
A: N...I mean yes... But MS should've waited UNTIL a high capacity optical format was released!
This argument goes nowhere. MS decided DVD had plenty of life left in it, as did Nintendo, both of which are outselling the PS3 globally- who made the wisest decision? Time will tell...
And 640k was never an MS imposed limitation, it was Intel's limitation. And MS were the ones who broke that limitation (while maintaining compatibility) with Windows/386, which is what ultimately lead to the death of OS/2.
Stop with the "DVD isn't enough" crap already. The machine is coming up on two years already and not one game has come out in the USA yet that needs a second disc. It's friggin' NEO-GEO Mega Cart all over again. I own a PS3 and approve of this message :p
The reason games haven't used more than one DVD is because it's a poorer experience. Developers have been clamouring for more disk space since the 360 was introduced. Read some of the questions asked at the X0x conferences - there are quite a few pleas to use the HDDVD drive. Mass Effect barely fit on to a DVD, as did Project Gotham.
It's an extra limitation. That leads to more developer effort (and consequently higher dev costs), or a scaled-down experience. Sony keeps pushing around this "ten year plan" phrase, and seeing the problems with Microsoft's insistence on DVD, it's a lot easier to believe the PS3 is a long-term console.
When the MAJORITY of games exceed DVD9 capacity, then we can talk. A small minority does not justify adding $200 to the price of the console. It's not like disc swapping has never been done before on a console. In fact, until this generation I've never even heard of anyone lamenting about a game with more than one disc. It's really quite petty. The only ones who seem to care are the people who DON'T own a Wii or 360.
Am I the only person that thought "motorstorm" after seeing the racing bits? After seeing Haze, Crysis and the Serious3 engine...I can't be impressed with Rage. Oh did someone say Killzone 2 and UT3? Doesn't matter what anyone says...360 would have been better served with a HD=DVD drive built in. Why is more storage a bad thing?
I think you guys that are unimpressed by the engine are looking at it from a totally different perspective than you should. This is not a "zomg go upgrade your computer to 8 cores 10 gb of ram and 8 SLI 8800s / phenom" engine where the bar is raised in terms of making something look more realistic and lifelike (like for example Crysis/UT). It's a totally different thing: the point for the engine is to ease up game developing...
oops sorry, i kinda copy/pasted that from a reply i did on the Carmack news.
Anyway the point is that now they can actually focus on making a better gaming experience instead of obsessing over graphical engines so much (which is not a bad thing, but i think we all agree gameplay > graphics). The game looks like a refreshing change from current FPS trends and I'm curious if they can actually pull it off.
ZOMG! This game is going to require 2 discs on the 360! The world is ending. Please inform the president and the vice president. Next we must evacuate all New York, LA, Philidephia, Washington D.C. and all the other major US cities!
This is madness.
Really sony fanboys...a bit of an overreaction don't you think? One game is going to require 2 discs and you act like BluRay is the cure for AIDs or something when it comes to gaming.
Just calm down there. As a 360 owner I'm glad that the game is coming out for the 360 and will contain everything that the company wanted it to have. And as a result of that I'm both willing and happy that they decided to use 2 discs.
Furthermore do we REALLY need to turn this thread into a flame war?
Why can't we BOTH be glad that the game is coming out for both systems? It was announced at the same time (today I mean). Its not a system is losing an exclusive.
There really is no reason to flame the 360 or 360 owners. MS made a decision. And I firmly believe they made a good one. Especially given that BluRay wasn't out then. And Nintendo which could have used BluRay decided to pass.
Different strokes for different folks right?
Lets just keep this civil. 1 more disc isn't going to shaft 360 owners. 1 more disc isn't that huge a deal. Especially since all the content will be there.
I know Microsoft said they'd NEVER allow games to be run from the HD-DVD drive--but it would be nice if they loosened that restriction. At the very least, I'm hoping id will allow a large chunk of the game to be placed on the hard drive so that disc swapping won't be necessary for those with sufficient hard drive space.
I have to admit, as a 360 owner, I would prefer to have the game on a single disc.
More storage is never a bad thing. The question is it worth the cost? I mean 4GB of RAM is a good thing too, so are 1TB HDDs, so why didn't Sony or MS slap those in their consoles? Consoles aren't meant to be bleeding edge elitist snob hardware, they are meant to be mainstream audience gaming platforms. If hardware is your cup of tea there are plenty of multi-thousand dollar PC rigs out there to buy.
Now if MS could've included an HD DVD drive in the 360 for the same price ($400), then it would be a different story. Then again, they would've had to wait 6-12 months longer to launch and they might not have the backing, support or library they currently have because of that decision. It was a trade off, but one that has paid off for MS so far it seems.
I don't get it... I remember when FF7 came out we would all brag about it "it's so sweet it needs 3 discs!" and then I felt like a badass when I bought baldur's gate because it needed FIVE discs... now it's a bad thing? Regardless I haven't bought a FPS since battlefield 1942 and probably won't buy one until Halo 3
@ spartacus so instead, we have a console that released too early that has too many hardware issues, WILL have storage issues in the future and nickel and dimes you to death with modular bullshit? Yeah, that's brilliant. I got your elitist snobs hanging right here buddy.
Its probably only on disc for Xbox 360. The PC and Mac version are probably the only multidisc versions. Why you ask? The 360 would only need one set of textures. The PC and Mac would require different sets at varying qualities so the game can be scalable over a wide range of hardware.
"This argument goes nowhere. MS decided DVD had plenty of life left in it, as did Nintendo, both of which are outselling the PS3 globally- who made the wisest decision? Time will tell..."
yeah the wii is a last generation console (about as powerful as xbox 180) so yeah dvd was the right choice for them, wii's limitations are clear.
and the xbox 360 is aparently a next gen console, but it has the resources of a last gen - dvd.
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cc123 @ Aug 3rd 2007 8:39PM
"shipping on two DVD discs (day and night cycles confirmed!) and one Blu-ray disc"
*nyuk nyuk nyuk*
=)
Sceren @ Aug 3rd 2007 8:46PM
ROFLMAO
That is all.
Mr Intel @ Aug 3rd 2007 11:01PM
i know very funny stuff
loool
Mr. Picklesworth @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:20PM
Hah, that brings back great memories of Popeye. (Particularly the Spanish Popeye. That show is Hilarious when you don't understand what they are saying!)
Captain Jody Anthony XVIII @ Aug 3rd 2007 8:39PM
I would rather have Wolfenstein 3d DS
waves @ Aug 3rd 2007 8:45PM
Sounds like they really are branching out. What was the last id game that featured the outdoors... and daylight? Driving could be cool, too.
Wait a minute... Are they making Halo 4?
Nate @ Aug 3rd 2007 8:46PM
FPS alert!
Spartacus @ Aug 3rd 2007 8:49PM
"Strong driving element"?
Is it a racing (with guns) game? An action game with an emphasis on vehicular homicides? What is it?
Nice to see id is pushing the texture envelope and making Sony feel better about using a high capacity optical format while not being snobs about it and excluding the 360. Two disc value FTW!
BNinjaC @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:31PM
"Two disc value"
hehe that's pretty good, I tip my hat to you sir :)
id tech5 looks to be great news for everyone, regardless which console is under your TV.
Next up: U.N. announces world peace
marcandrer @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:00PM
once again a news confirming that DVDs are not enough anymore.. of course we'll hear all the "I don't care changing my discs" but you should just stop it before it gets embarassing.
Spartacus @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:39PM
Q: So was it embarassing to swap discs on PlayStation?
A: No, but PS1 was out before DVD drives, so it's ok.
Q: Do you realize the 360 was out before HD DVD and Blu-ray drives were finalized?
A: N...I mean yes... But MS should've waited UNTIL a high capacity optical format was released!
This argument goes nowhere. MS decided DVD had plenty of life left in it, as did Nintendo, both of which are outselling the PS3 globally- who made the wisest decision? Time will tell...
phattie @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:11PM
"64kb will be enough for everyone"
"DVD will be enough for everyone"
MS fails again...
SDF-1 @ Aug 4th 2007 12:10PM
If you're trying to make a smirky fanboy remark try not fail so miserably next time. It was 640k not 64k that was enough for everyone.
BrandonLive @ Aug 5th 2007 1:32AM
Plus, no one from MS ever said that...
And 640k was never an MS imposed limitation, it was Intel's limitation. And MS were the ones who broke that limitation (while maintaining compatibility) with Windows/386, which is what ultimately lead to the death of OS/2.
Emceay @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:12PM
It's twisted metal ID.
I hope part of the game includes shooting down or shooting from those hot air balloons.
Bloo @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:14PM
Stop with the "DVD isn't enough" crap already. The machine is coming up on two years already and not one game has come out in the USA yet that needs a second disc. It's friggin' NEO-GEO Mega Cart all over again. I own a PS3 and approve of this message :p
Pika132 @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:21PM
Star Ocean 3 was released in the US, right?
Karl @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:39PM
The reason games haven't used more than one DVD is because it's a poorer experience. Developers have been clamouring for more disk space since the 360 was introduced. Read some of the questions asked at the X0x conferences - there are quite a few pleas to use the HDDVD drive. Mass Effect barely fit on to a DVD, as did Project Gotham.
It's an extra limitation. That leads to more developer effort (and consequently higher dev costs), or a scaled-down experience. Sony keeps pushing around this "ten year plan" phrase, and seeing the problems with Microsoft's insistence on DVD, it's a lot easier to believe the PS3 is a long-term console.
Bloo @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:46PM
@Karl,
Yes, if only Oblivion would have taken 200 hours instead of 100. What a richer experience that would have been.
Spartacus @ Aug 3rd 2007 10:01PM
Karl (and other DVD9 haters):
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/01/19/xbox-360-sufficient-game-storage/
When the MAJORITY of games exceed DVD9 capacity, then we can talk. A small minority does not justify adding $200 to the price of the console. It's not like disc swapping has never been done before on a console. In fact, until this generation I've never even heard of anyone lamenting about a game with more than one disc. It's really quite petty. The only ones who seem to care are the people who DON'T own a Wii or 360.
Ihya @ Aug 4th 2007 6:06AM
Blue Dragon is on two disks?
Bloo @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:25PM
This is in reference to DVD not being enough for the 360. Red Bull, it gives you wings!
Matters @ Aug 4th 2007 2:30AM
Exactly and who cares if you gotta swap a disk after 40 or so hours of game play. Big freaking deal.
Matters @ Aug 4th 2007 2:31AM
I meant to reply to your other post. The one above this one.
PSN: ummfada @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:26PM
"More than enough" post #2
Your turn...
Kazi @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:38PM
A racing game in my first person shooter? I hate it when my mashed potatoes and peas touch.
Striderhayasa @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:49PM
Am I the only person that thought "motorstorm" after seeing the racing bits? After seeing Haze, Crysis and the Serious3 engine...I can't be impressed with Rage. Oh did someone say Killzone 2 and UT3? Doesn't matter what anyone says...360 would have been better served with a HD=DVD drive built in. Why is more storage a bad thing?
tet @ Aug 4th 2007 11:56PM
I think you guys that are unimpressed by the engine are looking at it from a totally different perspective than you should. This is not a "zomg go upgrade your computer to 8 cores 10 gb of ram and 8 SLI 8800s / phenom" engine where the bar is raised in terms of making something look more realistic and lifelike (like for example Crysis/UT).
It's a totally different thing: the point for the engine is to ease up game developing...
tet @ Aug 5th 2007 12:07AM
oops sorry, i kinda copy/pasted that from a reply i did on the Carmack news.
Anyway the point is that now they can actually focus on making a better gaming experience instead of obsessing over graphical engines so much (which is not a bad thing, but i think we all agree gameplay > graphics). The game looks like a refreshing change from current FPS trends and I'm curious if they can actually pull it off.
ForceUnleashed @ Aug 3rd 2007 9:58PM
ZOMG! This game is going to require 2 discs on the 360! The world is ending. Please inform the president and the vice president. Next we must evacuate all New York, LA, Philidephia, Washington D.C. and all the other major US cities!
This is madness.
Really sony fanboys...a bit of an overreaction don't you think? One game is going to require 2 discs and you act like BluRay is the cure for AIDs or something when it comes to gaming.
Just calm down there. As a 360 owner I'm glad that the game is coming out for the 360 and will contain everything that the company wanted it to have. And as a result of that I'm both willing and happy that they decided to use 2 discs.
Thats all.
ForceUnleashed @ Aug 3rd 2007 10:01PM
Furthermore do we REALLY need to turn this thread into a flame war?
Why can't we BOTH be glad that the game is coming out for both systems? It was announced at the same time (today I mean). Its not a system is losing an exclusive.
There really is no reason to flame the 360 or 360 owners. MS made a decision. And I firmly believe they made a good one. Especially given that BluRay wasn't out then. And Nintendo which could have used BluRay decided to pass.
Different strokes for different folks right?
Lets just keep this civil. 1 more disc isn't going to shaft 360 owners. 1 more disc isn't that huge a deal. Especially since all the content will be there.
Dave @ Aug 3rd 2007 10:16PM
I know Microsoft said they'd NEVER allow games to be run from the HD-DVD drive--but it would be nice if they loosened that restriction. At the very least, I'm hoping id will allow a large chunk of the game to be placed on the hard drive so that disc swapping won't be necessary for those with sufficient hard drive space.
I have to admit, as a 360 owner, I would prefer to have the game on a single disc.
Spartacus @ Aug 3rd 2007 10:20PM
More storage is never a bad thing. The question is it worth the cost? I mean 4GB of RAM is a good thing too, so are 1TB HDDs, so why didn't Sony or MS slap those in their consoles? Consoles aren't meant to be bleeding edge elitist snob hardware, they are meant to be mainstream audience gaming platforms. If hardware is your cup of tea there are plenty of multi-thousand dollar PC rigs out there to buy.
Now if MS could've included an HD DVD drive in the 360 for the same price ($400), then it would be a different story. Then again, they would've had to wait 6-12 months longer to launch and they might not have the backing, support or library they currently have because of that decision. It was a trade off, but one that has paid off for MS so far it seems.
Spartacus @ Aug 3rd 2007 10:22PM
DANG THAT REPLY BUTTON!!!
My previous post was meant to be a reply to Striderhayasa...
Einhanderkiller @ Aug 3rd 2007 10:54PM
They seem to have polished up the graphics *a lot* since WWDC 2007.
Crono @ Aug 3rd 2007 11:06PM
Looks like mad max with a splash of quake 4.
I'll pass.
Mr Intel @ Aug 3rd 2007 11:12PM
never mind the flame war
i just want to say congratulations to apple for getting their game on
welcome back MAC
August @ Aug 3rd 2007 11:41PM
Looks like a cross between Doom 3 and Powerslide - trying to be Half Life 2 :P
Snatcher @ Aug 4th 2007 12:57AM
Doesnt look half bad. Has potential.
driven2sin @ Aug 4th 2007 1:03AM
maybe it is bringing back that old Autoduel/Roadwar2000 vibe from 20 years ago.. would be sweet
Will @ Aug 4th 2007 2:11AM
I don't get it... I remember when FF7 came out we would all brag about it "it's so sweet it needs 3 discs!" and then I felt like a badass when I bought baldur's gate because it needed FIVE discs... now it's a bad thing?
Regardless I haven't bought a FPS since battlefield 1942 and probably won't buy one until Halo 3
Juan @ Aug 4th 2007 3:18AM
Setting your stupid format wars aside, this looks amazing, especially for a DX9 engine.
Ken Seang @ Aug 4th 2007 3:48AM
Is it me or does this reminds anyone of podracing???
Tony @ Aug 4th 2007 3:48AM
"shipping on two DVD discs (day and night cycles confirmed!) and one Blu-ray disc."
Slam dunk -- who'd have thunk?!
:)
Tony @ Aug 4th 2007 3:51AM
"One game is going to require 2 discs and you act like BluRay is the cure for AIDs or something when it comes to gaming."
Cure for AIDS?
@ ForceUnleashed...Seriously...Just calm down there, fella.
Striderhayasa @ Aug 4th 2007 4:41AM
@ spartacus so instead, we have a console that released too early that has too many hardware issues, WILL have storage issues in the future and nickel and dimes you to death with modular bullshit? Yeah, that's brilliant. I got your elitist snobs hanging right here buddy.
Cabal @ Aug 4th 2007 8:52AM
Its probably only on disc for Xbox 360. The PC and Mac version are probably the only multidisc versions. Why you ask? The 360 would only need one set of textures. The PC and Mac would require different sets at varying qualities so the game can be scalable over a wide range of hardware.
Poisoned Al @ Aug 4th 2007 9:20AM
Witness the incredible game engine, capable or rendering over 5000 shades of black!
Zeus the God @ Aug 4th 2007 10:53AM
2 discs? More for me to love. :D
Either way, any and all id games kick ass. I will be pre-ordering this (just like Quake 3, Quake 4, and Doom 3).
Theres never really been an all out Mad Max like game, so this is gonna' kick ass.
don_sf @ Aug 5th 2007 9:03AM
"This argument goes nowhere. MS decided DVD had plenty of life left in it, as did Nintendo, both of which are outselling the PS3 globally- who made the wisest decision? Time will tell..."
yeah the wii is a last generation console (about as powerful as xbox 180) so yeah dvd was the right choice for them, wii's limitations are clear.
and the xbox 360 is aparently a next gen console, but it has the resources of a last gen - dvd.