Video walk through of id's Tech 5 with John Carmack

You all noticed that the PS3 is the only version shipping on one media. That's the plus. Here's the minus... the PS3 will probably suffer the most because of it's limited memory. If you read early white papers on mega texturing, you should know that at the end of the day, it's another LOD (level of detail) approach. The detail the PS3 will probably be able to show is going to be be linked heavily to it's texture memory and texture compression technology. I won't get to technical about this because this isn't the place but while blueray will be a great selling point for delivering games on one media... media is dirt cheap for pressing and packaging... what will really matter to developers and publishers is the ability to use the hardware to display their final result and this is where the PS3 will face serious problems with it's memory scheme. I can't wait to here more about Tech 5 and how they plan to deal with what will be an obvious difference in texture quality between multiple platforms.

"If you watched the unbelievably gorgeous trailer for id's new action title, Rage..."

I didn't find it particularly impressive. It looked much like DooM 3 did, to me.

I'm just so amused that he keeps using PS3 as the example for errors.

okenny? What 'memory limit' last time i checked the ps3 ram ran faster than the 360s

So what if it runs faster (which is only partially true, because only half of the PS3s RAM is XDR)?

The point is, the PS3 has a maximum of 256 megs for system usage and 256 for graphics. PCs have GIGs of RAM for the system and the 360 has a unified system where the GPU can use as much of the 512 as needed. The PS3 essentially bottlenecked itself by splitting the two RAMs apart.

id should get a nobel prize for Tech 5.

I thought tech5 was really unimpressive. There wasn't much that set it aside from the Doom 3 engine. I think the Unreal 3 engine and the Cryengine 2 have a lot more to offer.

If this engine is everything that Carmack claims it to be -- an engine that is truly multiplatform from the same code base -- the iD is going to make a TON of cash licensing this thing out. I hope that it will live up to the hype as it will be great for gamers to have an engine that is scalable across different hardware that more effort can be put into the art rather than the technology of a game.

I'm actually rather optimistic; it IS Carmack.

Sidenote: anyone else totally engaged any time Carmack makes any sort of presentation? I find his insights fascinating, even way back when with his "finger" on shugashack or bluenews.

4 formats? What, no Wii? :P

I'm pretty sure he said "this ships with the game."

Are the giving this software away for modders?

I don't understand how you can "put as many things in a map as you like, without slowing down performance", I mean, the graphic card renders them all, the more things there are to render, the slower it will render it.
It doesn't make sense and he didn't explain how it works other than it just does...

I think he meant without losing performance because the engine can't handle it.

I must say, at its first showing, I wasn’t impressed at all with what John was throwing out there. But after watching those two vids with John discussing the game engine’s deeper implications, I am truly impressed and very excited to see the games that are created with this.

This has got to be one of the most forward thinking game engines I’ve ever seen. The thing some people are overlooking is, although the graphics it presents are necessarily revolutionary, how they create the game IS. This is a revolutionary way to create cross platform games on systems with complex multi-core processors.

It seems like most game engine companies will pour on how bad ass their game engine looks but completely leave out ease of use (Epic being sued anyone?). While this engine brings the pretty (um…this looks much better than Doom III, and I have a feeling the game id is showing doesn’t show everything it can do visually) but also presents the opportunity to learn how you want to do things in MINUTES! Ease of use FTW!

John’s walkthrough of id’s new engine should really be more for devs than anyone. If I’m a dev watching this, I’m excited as hell. If I’m a gamer, I’m looking forward to all of the great games that are no doubt going to be rolling out with this engine.


(Side note with all the chatter of PS3 bottlenecks…I must say I’m pretty disappointed that Kutaragi, the father of the Playstation and “brilliant” engineer, lead the design of a system with this much of a memory bottleneck. It’s like he was just thinking “I will fit blu ray, the Cell, the RSX, a 2.5” hard drive, and the power brick in the box! How to get the most out of each, I don’t care, I just wanna make it all fit.”)

man this guy should go to the beauty and the geek and give that speech..

he probably would get slapped..

his voice it's the most annoying thing in the world.. and kept fucking swalloing every 30 secs..

even thou all this talk about the ps3 and how it's gonna bite sony in the ass blahblah blah... nobody here is a ps3 programmer, all you've heard that the memory sucks have come from hater sites, if you go to NON fanboyish sites just information sites they explaing hot the xdr memory it's not the same as dr memory.. they explain that runs about twice as fast

and it also explains that if needed the cell can control the ram from graphics to processin if it was needed..

that's why unreal it's already saying that the unreal engine it's running better in the ps3 at the 8 month mark better than it did in the 360.. keep hoping that the ps3 it's gonna suck, bottom line they didn't hire some dummy to design a multi billion project, this is sony and they're good at hardware..

if there wasn't any good games in the horizon i would doubt this, but rfom alone kicks ass.. and there's a reason why killzone2 won best graphics and halo3 didn't..

bottom line even this nerd will learn to use the ps3 and then find it easy to use.. as for now he should go get a better haircut

It's interesting to see how game development is becoming more standardized -- much like the Web Standards Project. Now it's 100X easier to build Web sites and collaborate on large projects because of standards. I hope the gaming industry gets a jump in creativity from this. I'd be nice not to have to be a huge corporate powerhouse with tons of $$$ to produce a great multi-platform game.

I really enjoyed this video. If handled correctly (which I have no doubt id will), this could be a huge revolution in the way games are programed, and made available to just about any platform that can handle the specs

Carmack has never been wrong before (to my knowledge), and I have no problem following him now. He is the Stephen Hawking of the programing world.

John goes on to explain much more, lets clear up some confusion.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/23179.html

THATS John Carmack. He looks... different from what I imagined. I imagined him to be older, look more experienced... He looks like any regular 28 year old nerd. (Even, thats what most you might imagine a person like home to be) Though I must admit, his work is pretty ingenius. Guess it's another one of the many cases of "don't judge a book by it's cover..."

Wow:

*(Even though thats what most of you might imagine a person like him to look like)