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Posted: Aug 6th 2007 12:07PM (Unverified) said

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Game soundtracks are the music I listen to most.

Posted: Aug 6th 2007 12:09PM Neon Jebus said

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Write a 'This I believe' essay and give 'em hell! Or just submit some feedback, it would be funny to hear them read your comment on the air.

I...I mean...screw NPR and its liberal agenda! Yeah...that's it!

Posted: Aug 6th 2007 12:09PM (Unverified) said

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@Avatar: wow, ouch

NPR is great but some of their reporters are a bit snobby. Also I think there will be a major piece on Second Life tomorrow, though I forgot which show. you know, cuz second life doesn't get enough media coverage.

Posted: Aug 6th 2007 12:21PM (Unverified) said

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I say that because I listen to it music mainly at work, and music without lyrics provids good ambience.
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Posted: Aug 6th 2007 12:22PM (Unverified) said

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I listen to muic mainly at work, and music without lyrics makes good ambience. Soundstrack music is perfect for that.
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Posted: Aug 6th 2007 12:23PM (Unverified) said

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Oops, sorry. Browser died on me, thought it hadn't posted.
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Posted: Aug 6th 2007 12:29PM (Unverified) said

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I listen to game music all the time as well. Has NPR never listened to the amazing works of Nobuo Uematsu, Yasunori Mitsuda, Motoi Sakuraba, Yuzo Koshiro, Martin O'Donnel, and others?

Posted: Aug 6th 2007 12:34PM WedgeTalon said

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FTFA: "This is the reason why I say if Beethoven were alive today, he would be a video-game composer," Tallarico says.

Does this make Nobuo Uematsu the Beethoven of our day?

I've personally always thought of him as one of the most compelling video game composers.

Posted: Aug 6th 2007 12:36PM Levi Partridge said

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It ust wouldn't be NPR if the broadcast didn't have a snooty condecending reporter.

Posted: Aug 6th 2007 12:44PM (Unverified) said

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Video games need music too.
Video game music needs lovin too.
Fat chicks need lovin too.

But I'm not the kind to start lovin on fat chicks.

Believe what you will, but general consensus is that it's weird to go to a concert to listen to video game music. I'm not saying it's wrong to do so, but it's also not wrong to comment on it in the way he does. Yeah, a lot of us like NPR (check out the tech podcasts--great for background radio at work), but the majority of its listeners are just as astounded as this reporter must be.

The point is to inform its listeners, and in this case, the guy is just making the statement: we knew video games became a big industry... but damn, symphony orchestras? concerts?

Yeah dude, concerts.

Posted: Aug 6th 2007 12:53PM (Unverified) said

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I listened to the clips they provided of music from Zelda and Mario, and, to be honest, I was underwhelmed. Don't take that the wrong way, as I love Nintendo's music; I just found the arrangements to be really bland. I mean, come on, they've got an entire symphony to work with, but the arrangement did little more than translate the melody to sheet music. The Smash Bros. Live concert from however long ago did a much better job (I'm glad I got a CD of that from NP back then).

Posted: Aug 6th 2007 1:00PM Hirsbrunner said

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"We would kindly remind NPR that the only way that orchestras in many areas can fill seats is by promising to play the hits of Andrew Lloyd Webber or selections from Rocky, Chariots of Fire and Star Wars."


And I would kindly remind Joystiq that the music references you list above are reserved primarily for a pops orchestra, not a symphony orchestra.

A pops orchestra's repertoire is generally novel, much like video game music.

Posted: Aug 6th 2007 1:02PM (Unverified) said

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When all us cool dudes are hanging around the water cooler discussing all the awesome concerts we've been to this year, the one that really comes to mind is when the dork from IT brings up Blue Man Group and Video Games Live.

But seriously...I went to VGL last month and it was almost as dorktacular as I expected it to be....good times.

Posted: Aug 6th 2007 1:43PM (Unverified) said

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I went to that DC concert and found it underwhelming. It was a combination of factors (the bug I had got a day before didn't help either). For one, I already had most of those pieces and they played the Exact. Same. Arrangements. each and every time they had a chance. And they also played the exact same music you would expect them to play. Also I didn't like all the showmanship injected into it. Last year's "Play! A Videogame Symphony" let the music speak more by itself (and they played Chrono Trigger too, although the Metal Gear Solid sounded better in VGL). The music from Advent Rising was completely unnecessary, and only there because the organized composed it.

It would have been nice if they had tried surprising us with something. Anything. Try playing the Ocean theme from Wind Waker instead of the same tired all arrangement. Same for Mario. Add a good one from a game not many have played (i.e. Beyond Good and Evil). Cut down on the Final Fantasy VII obsession a little, please, or at least stop playing the Sephiroth theme every damn time.

They could as well have played something from Oblivion too, and brought in someone from Bethesda softworks (they live, like, next door). No idea where Jeremy Soule lives but while they were at it they could have played something from him (there's some really great stuff in his Guild Wars work, for example).

And Nobuo Uematsu's high points were FFVI and FFVII (let's not start the discussion between those two, ok?). He's kind of not really got there anymore since. Very good, but slightly overrated. Let's recognize new blood too.

Enough grumpiness for today...

Posted: Aug 7th 2007 7:24PM (Unverified) said

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Thaks to JoyStiq for covering the NPR story! Much appreciated!


I normally try not to respond to such negative type posts but I was compelled to because of the irony and misinformation presented in the post by El Cruzado.

Yo El C.,
To say that we play every arrangement the same way is a very false statement. They are mostly all original arrangements made with the original composers. Everything from Halo, Sonic, Warcraft & Metal Gear Solid are completely original and can only be heard at VGL. Also... to say that we play everything you would expect and is typical is also quite peculiar... Tron?, Beyond Good & Evil?, Myst?, God of War?, EverQuest II?, Civilization IV?, Medal of Honor?, 25 Classic Arcade games?? Please let me know where else you can hear these scores played live. You say you want uniqueness but then you bag on Advent Rising and say it doesn't belong. Doesn't belong? It won 5 major industry awards in 2006 for "Best soundtrack of the year" including IGN, Yahoo & Play Magazine as well as being called "One of the greatest game soundtracks of all time."

And then you say we shouldn't play Final Fantasy VII?? Not play the most requested and worshipped video game song of all time? Hmmm?? Sorry... gotta disagree with you again.

I think what you are failing to realize is that we have created a show for the masses... whether you're into video games or not. The show is having a major impact in the live entertainment world and getting a lot of people who were previously ignorant to video game music... completely interested. So yes... it's important to play the classics such as Mario & Zelda & even Final Fantasy VII (god forbid!!). So although you may be "sick and tired" of hearing these played live (which is also a bit strange to me considering how often in the history of the world it has even happened), maybe you will consider that the concert (and others like it) is helping to raise the awareness of the artform of game music you love so much. Besides... We change the show everytime so we're always adding stuff.

Tommy
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Posted: Aug 8th 2007 9:33AM (Unverified) said

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I guess I got far too grumpy. Truth is, even though the concert did disappoint me, I still fully appreciate you organizing it in the first place and hope it will be a sign of better things to come in the future. For whatever is worth, if you come again to the area and I get news that it's not going to be the exact same concert I'll be first in the line buying tickets (or, more accurately, first online). And I'll applaud all the parts I like and stay politely silent on the ones I don't ;)

Also, much of the criticism is personal in nature. I fully take the point that you must make a show for the masses, especially since this is kind of a very new thing (well corroborated by the news we're posting these comments to). However, I'm probably one of the most hardcore elements of your audience (I hate the word but I think it's valid to use it in this particular case) and so I'm probably not the kind of guy you need to cater to. I don't really have anything against the Sephiroth theme (and in fact like it) it's just that I've heard it so many times (various arrangement CDs, the Final Fantasy 20022002 concert, and others) that I would love it if someone placated the FFVII fans (I know they are legion and they need to be placated) with something else from the game. The game certainly doesn't lack good pieces. Maybe if someone could come up with a good medley of pieces of the game...

It may well be that the parts where your concert was different didn't, in their majority, say anything to me. I did love the arcade medley at the start, and both the Medal of Honor and Civilization IV pieces were great. But I didn't personally care much for Tron nor Advent Rising (nothing wrong with them, they just didn't resonate with me. Again, I'm insisting much of it is my personal opinions).

The particular complaint about "same old arrangement" is mostly about Zelda and Mario, which I guess I should have stated clearly. I'm not familiar enough with the others you mention (Halo and Sonic in particular) to know how similar they are to the ones I've heard before.

I didn't hear anything from Beyond Good & Evil in VGL DC. If you play something from that game in other venues (you seem to imply so), then I'm really sad that you didn't in your DC concert.

Also I stand by my criticism that I'd rather have less show and more concert. Other people may disagree and anyway it's your decision to make. Or maybe I'm just pissed that I didn't get a chance to get that Alienware ;)

All in all, I hope you don't think of me as an internet boor (although I seem to play one on TV every once in a while). Maybe I just wanted it to be perfect but it wasn't made for me.

P.S.: the guys behind me in the concert hate you because you didn't play anything from neither Castlevania nor FFVI (the medley not counting). Make them happy too the next time you come ;)
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Posted: Aug 6th 2007 1:47PM (Unverified) said

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NPR game coverage abounds. Short NPR interview from last week with Tracy Spaight and Robbie Cooper regarding their book "Alter Ego: Avatars and Their Creators"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12263532

Posted: Aug 6th 2007 2:47PM (Unverified) said

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I'm as glad as anyone else that major news outlets are covering events like this, but are we really surprised by the reaction? Now if you were somehow able to switch their normal coffee, er... music... for video game music, and see if they liked it, you might have something worth talking about.

Self promotion of Dallas VGL event begins here:

Tommy Tallarico Interview:
http://www.realmmedia.com/dallas_gaming/2007/06/tommy_tallarico_talks_video_games_live_brazil_and_the_future_of_video_game_music.html

Jack Wall Interview:
http://www.realmmedia.com/dallas_gaming/2007/06/jack_wall_discusses_his_work_on_video_games_live_myst_and_mass_effect.html

Posted: Aug 6th 2007 8:46PM (Unverified) said

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I went to the DC one, too, and agree with everything El Cruzado said. Advent Rising? That tune was so forgettable that I couldn't hum it even five minutes after I heard it. I think I enjoyed the show, but I wouldn't go again, especially to hear the same lineup of music.

And Tallarico with his hammyness just plain got on my nerves. On the one hand, he says it's "serious art" - on the other, he acts like it's...well, just what it is - a concert geared towards geeky teens.

And any VG Music concert that eschews Castlevania music is hardly worthy of the name.

Posted: Aug 7th 2007 10:04AM omgfloofy said

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Actually- they've done Castlevania music. It depends on if they have the ability to do it at the venue they're performing at.

However, they had Martin Leung perform a big Castlevania medley on the pipe organ at the Yale concert hall. That was pretty spectacular. :D
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Posted: Aug 6th 2007 4:24PM (Unverified) said

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NPR Radio is run by selfrightous, eleitest LIBERALS Democrats they have disdain for you and everthing you do. That is a typical reaction for them...

Posted: Aug 7th 2007 9:23AM (Unverified) said

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>> "Why is video game music so compelling to these
>> people?" he wonders aloud, the disdain deliciously
>> audible.

An unexpected reaction from one of those National GOVERNMENT-SUBSIDIZED Radio elitists. The feeling behind that reaction is the same used by Roger Ebert when he says that video games are not art. Video games do not have any real celebrities. You can't be invited to a party to eat escargot with Princess Peach. You can't go to a club and score some illegal drugs from Mario. You can't hang with Solid Snake as he walks down a red carpet. i.e. Video game stars don't get the worshipping that human stars get from the most superficial among us.

Even the actual people behind the scenes would be lucky to see the hairs in these pretentious snobs' upturned noses. You have people who are mostly computer geeks who don't wear the proper designer labels and a lot of them are not in the trendiest of locations.

The games themselves rarely touch upon the things required by things that the artistic community requires. Games rarely push leftwing agendas or insult religious groups (Nintendo really frowns upon that) and many openly acknowledge the obvious-->i.e. that sometimes violence actually is the answer.

Until video games creates its own flesh-and-blood celebrities and conforms to the rigid belief system that traditional forms of art are locked into, the shallow elitist snobs like those at taxpayer-supported National Government Radio will fail to recognize its merit.

Posted: Aug 6th 2007 10:48PM (Unverified) said

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Justin, that was a great call.

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