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Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:34PM xenocidic said
Erm, so how does it handle full screen for those of us people still living in the standard-definition age?
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:35PM xenocidic said
never mind ^ i got confused there
4:3 is standard def.
so good for me?
4:3 is standard def.
so good for me?
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:38PM xenocidic said
holy crap, sorry for the double post, and for this post apologizing for the double post.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:42PM IcedEagle said
For full screen, you get everything.
BioShock on the PC crashes for me everytime it gets past the logo. :(
That's why if anything I would get it for the 360.
BioShock on the PC crashes for me everytime it gets past the logo. :(
That's why if anything I would get it for the 360.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:42PM (Unverified) said
Well, now I'm pissed.
I just got back from the store with Bioshock. So how is it that the demo works demonstratively well with my HD tv, but my full version of the game probably wont? More on this story after I test it.
I just got back from the store with Bioshock. So how is it that the demo works demonstratively well with my HD tv, but my full version of the game probably wont? More on this story after I test it.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:43PM (Unverified) said
Someone on another forum posted that Gears of War handles widescreen excactly the same way. Perhaps it has to do with the Unreal Engine?
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:47PM (Unverified) said
Perhaps they felt a wider field of view would have diminished the feel of the game.
Kubrick filmed his movies this way guys, relax.
Kubrick filmed his movies this way guys, relax.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:47PM (Unverified) said
This report is for the PC version isn't it?
I have both demos and can report that the 360 version is pretty much on a par in quality as the PC version.
I have both demos and can report that the 360 version is pretty much on a par in quality as the PC version.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:48PM (Unverified) said
If it were the unreal engine that would be funn since Too Human was delayed do to issues with support from Epic becuase of it. I hate it when developers all use the same engine. Everything starts to look the same etc .....
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:52PM (Unverified) said
Looks like it is both versions. That's lame, who uses 4:3 anymore and if you do, WTF?
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:52PM Daman09 said
Hopefully this gets fix. Doesn't seem to hard to patch
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 2:02PM (Unverified) said
#9, Gears and Bioshock use the same engine, and look completely different. Really, check it out.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:55PM (Unverified) said
What you don't know won't hurt you. If you thought the demo was beautiful, before you read this, don't let it change your perception.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:58PM Rajko said
Uhmmm it doesn't cut off where your health meters are, does it? Can you still see them?
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:58PM (Unverified) said
"Perhaps they felt a wider field of view would have diminished the feel of the game."
Exactly what I was thinking. There was a lot of work put into this game both from an art/architecture and directorial standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided a wider screen would be a detriment to the world/presentation they created, or that developing the game with a wider screen in mind would seriously hinder the experience of 4:3 gamers. Instead, they gave everyone the same horizontal range.
We already know that they once confirmed widescreen in the past, so it certainly doesn't seem as if it was overlooked. I would wager it was a design decision.
Regardless, I play with an HD television and am normally quite anal about seeing things as the developer intended. In this case, I have to imagine that they developed the game wide-screen and simply decided to give SD users a bit more at the top and bottom instead of cutting off the horizontal frame of the world.
Exactly what I was thinking. There was a lot of work put into this game both from an art/architecture and directorial standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided a wider screen would be a detriment to the world/presentation they created, or that developing the game with a wider screen in mind would seriously hinder the experience of 4:3 gamers. Instead, they gave everyone the same horizontal range.
We already know that they once confirmed widescreen in the past, so it certainly doesn't seem as if it was overlooked. I would wager it was a design decision.
Regardless, I play with an HD television and am normally quite anal about seeing things as the developer intended. In this case, I have to imagine that they developed the game wide-screen and simply decided to give SD users a bit more at the top and bottom instead of cutting off the horizontal frame of the world.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 1:59PM (Unverified) said
I just popped it in. Time for part two of my crises evaluation. Everything looks fine! I got up through the bathysphere and everything looks just as it did in the demo. So far my assessment is that if you played through the demo without problems, the same will most likely be said about the real deal.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 2:03PM itsburnsie said
Isn't everyone getting just a LITTLE too worked up about the cropping issue? I mean, is it unfortunate? Kind of, I guess, but for me (and my 16:9 high-def display) it sure as heck ISN'T a deal breaker.
By reports: Gears of War had this same issue, and nobody noticed. Now a bunch of people that that most likely wouldn't have noticed it in Bioshock had they NOT read it here are raising a big stink about it. WHO CARES?
Judging by the Metacritic review scores, it has just about ZERO impact on the game. I for one, can't wait to get the heck out of work so I can pick up my copy and play it all night. Anyone who doesn't do the same just because of some cropping issues is, at least in my estimation, a total fool.
By reports: Gears of War had this same issue, and nobody noticed. Now a bunch of people that that most likely wouldn't have noticed it in Bioshock had they NOT read it here are raising a big stink about it. WHO CARES?
Judging by the Metacritic review scores, it has just about ZERO impact on the game. I for one, can't wait to get the heck out of work so I can pick up my copy and play it all night. Anyone who doesn't do the same just because of some cropping issues is, at least in my estimation, a total fool.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 2:04PM (Unverified) said
I noticed this on the PC demo, yet to play the 360 demo. The screen was off-centre and missing the top and bottom.
Strange is the word.
Strange is the word.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 2:32PM (Unverified) said
Has anyone actually confirmed this for the full version of the game, and not just the demo?
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 2:45PM bigd7387 said
To the point about visual presentation using 4x3, WTF. If I can't see my health meter then that is not artisic, thats crap. Whether your a 4x3 or 16x9 user, you should expect the same quality regardless of a lazy excuse as artisic direction or feel.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 2:45PM FR3SH JIV3 said
I just got the full game this morning and nothing is cut off. I see both my health and plasmid meters. Also see all of the arms and guns on the bottom.
Playing on a 22" widescreen LCD monitor.
Playing on a 22" widescreen LCD monitor.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 2:50PM Cerixus said
Yes, if this is really a problem why don't we have a screenshot from a widescreen display, or a photo of a widescreen TV with the health info cut off?
Also, why do I still have to click add my comments, open my e-mail then click the link to confirm my comments? This is 2007. Get real. Get an account system.
Also, why do I still have to click add my comments, open my e-mail then click the link to confirm my comments? This is 2007. Get real. Get an account system.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 2:49PM (Unverified) said
I'd imagine the health meter and such would just get pushed down regardless of how it was cut, though.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 2:51PM (Unverified) said
Of course the health and plasmid meters would be pushed down. Are you fucking serious?
(@20)
(@20)
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 2:52PM (Unverified) said
@17,
I think a lot of this is the people who have wide screen setups, and have the new game today... before work is out. First, you have the haters, who will look for any reason to bash MS and the 360 by proxy... On this one, I think you have to add in the rich kid effect, they are upset that they have less detail on screen than the proles or something like that. Finally, and IMO, the smallest group are the wide screen purists.
They have come together in the perfect storm and harnessing the power of these three groups of constant whiners and complainers, magnified the Internet, and we all have to once again listen to them complain that the teacher gave them demerits for being late to class.
Take a step back... No really, take a step back, there, that is what it was supposed to look like. OMG noobs.
I think a lot of this is the people who have wide screen setups, and have the new game today... before work is out. First, you have the haters, who will look for any reason to bash MS and the 360 by proxy... On this one, I think you have to add in the rich kid effect, they are upset that they have less detail on screen than the proles or something like that. Finally, and IMO, the smallest group are the wide screen purists.
They have come together in the perfect storm and harnessing the power of these three groups of constant whiners and complainers, magnified the Internet, and we all have to once again listen to them complain that the teacher gave them demerits for being late to class.
Take a step back... No really, take a step back, there, that is what it was supposed to look like. OMG noobs.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 2:54PM (Unverified) said
@23 - The e-mail you get has a password in it that is always associated with your e-mail address. Put it in the "current users" password box.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 2:57PM (Unverified) said
@#16 I have both didn't really care for Gears, and I know they are different, but the issue will come up as more people use the engine there is over lap of the feel and look of some games. Bioshock modified the engine as most will do too so it won't look exactly the same.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 3:42PM 1031982 said
Ok, I have a wide-screen setup. But a friend has a 4x3 setup. Now, when he plays Gears, (or I play over there) there is something missing. It's important to with a game like that. (At least IMO) Seeing the sides of you is real important in any FPS, the more you see the better you plan or react. So, If BioShock does clip off the top and bottom, who cares? It actually allows everyone to see everything on screen! In the game you hear things coming at you, so you look in that direction putting the focus there. If someone is on the sides, they are hiding, and usually you won't hear anything until you are being attacked. Thus, this clipping method is actually better allowing everyone to experience the same amount on screen and fill the screen as well. The other option is to force a widesczreen output, and most people don't want that making this a preferred option.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 4:44PM (Unverified) said
The idea is not that the HUD is cut off. The idea is that instead of adding visuals to the left and right sides of the screen in the margins created by the widescreen tv, the top and bottom of the normal resolution screens are cut off. The result is that instead of seeing more of the enviroment on a widescreen, you see less.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 4:53PM (Unverified) said
I'm using widescreen on a 56" DLP and I have no problems, as usual.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 5:04PM Rajko said
The example with the post is misleading, it makes you think the HUD is cutoff.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 5:08PM SaNcTuS said
This better get fixed by tomorrow or thursday...i get Bioshock in the mail from gamefly tomorrow or the day after...
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 5:59PM FR3SH JIV3 said
OK, after reading the other comments about the HUD I loaded the game up for another look and sure enough they did cut off some of the screen. Here is an picture of my monitor:
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6048/bioshockwidescreenkh7.jpg
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6048/bioshockwidescreenkh7.jpg
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 6:06PM FR3SH JIV3 said
Oh, and this is a better example of what gets cut off:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_15z2voQHq2E/RssQ5SsMDqI/AAAAAAAAAA4/oL_WyP--g-g/s1600/bioshock-bs1.jpg
http://bp2.blogger.com/_15z2voQHq2E/RssQ5SsMDqI/AAAAAAAAAA4/oL_WyP--g-g/s1600/bioshock-bs1.jpg
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 6:07PM FR3SH JIV3 said
That is odd, prompts to download the jpeg. This should work:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_15z2voQHq2E/RssQ5SsMDqI/AAAAAAAAAA4/oL_WyP--g-g/s1600-h/bioshock-bs1.jpg
http://bp2.blogger.com/_15z2voQHq2E/RssQ5SsMDqI/AAAAAAAAAA4/oL_WyP--g-g/s1600-h/bioshock-bs1.jpg
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 7:57PM (Unverified) said
I'm pissed, and will be writing (via snail mail) the developer.
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 8:02PM (Unverified) said
Uhhhh, I've had this game for six days, and it all appears fine on my 42" widescreen plasma
Posted: Aug 21st 2007 11:57PM jtrjuwrue5iiejie5ijeie3i5 said
Meh, Ive been playing bioshock all day on my 32' HDTV, and I really havent nothing anything. I've played the game on a 4:3 tv, and yeah, theres a little more you can see but not enough to kill the deal for anyone. At least it shouldnt.
Posted: Aug 22nd 2007 1:29AM (Unverified) said
ARGH! My copy of Bioshock is giving me disk read issues. That, plus it's the LE, and the last one in my Gamestop. I'm headed there tomorrow. Hopefully, they can just give me a disk from one of the basic editions, although I doubt it.
Posted: Aug 22nd 2007 7:44AM (Unverified) said
First person shooters should only be played in widescreen when the protagonist is asian.
Posted: Aug 22nd 2007 8:23AM (Unverified) said
People on this forum are so dumb. The top and bottom of the image of the 4:3 resolution are cropped to create the 16:9 resolution.
You don't see the health or anything chopped off because it is moved to compensate the crop. It's not rocket science.
Apparently the team are looking into the issue and hopefully a patch will be rolled out.
You don't see the health or anything chopped off because it is moved to compensate the crop. It's not rocket science.
Apparently the team are looking into the issue and hopefully a patch will be rolled out.
Posted: Aug 22nd 2007 8:29AM (Unverified) said
P.S.
I have played the demo on both 360 and PC and checked 16:9 and 4:3 resolution respectively and can confirm it is cropped in widescreen, so you are losing around 25% of the image!
This is lame in 2007. It needs to be sorted!
I have played the demo on both 360 and PC and checked 16:9 and 4:3 resolution respectively and can confirm it is cropped in widescreen, so you are losing around 25% of the image!
This is lame in 2007. It needs to be sorted!
Posted: Aug 22nd 2007 9:48AM (Unverified) said
I've been playing and its true. Its a 4:3 thats been cut (the health bars are re-drawn higher on screen).
It definitely detracts from gameplay, but not a lot.
It definitely detracts from gameplay, but not a lot.
Posted: Aug 22nd 2007 11:01AM (Unverified) said
Unlike movies (which are shot (rendered) at a set resolution) games are rendered in realtime (resolution independent). So even though the game is being rendered as 4:3 it could have been easily framed with 16:9 in mind. So technically yes its a 16:9 "chunk" out of a 4:3 space but since its rendered in real time there would be no loss of resolution and the space above and below the 16:9 could be the filler (or dead space).
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/802/letterboxza6.jpg
I would expect this would be the easiest way to accommodate both aspect ratios (from a developers point of view). This saves them the trouble of framing every scene for two ratios.
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/802/letterboxza6.jpg
I would expect this would be the easiest way to accommodate both aspect ratios (from a developers point of view). This saves them the trouble of framing every scene for two ratios.
Posted: Aug 22nd 2007 1:00PM (Unverified) said
Yup I can also confirm this, can't see the bottom of the wrench. Ah well it will get fixed.
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