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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 3:18AM BananaBoat said

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I couldn't agree more. Other than on the internet echo chamber, this game has been getting zero publicity. Our friend JT tried by complaining about how one of the ads for the game featured a little girl, but it doesn't seem like any media outlets are biting this time. I've got too much to buy this holiday seasons (about 500-600 dollars worth of games that come out in or around Christmas lol) so Bioshock is on my rent list.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 3:27AM (Unverified) said

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I also agree.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 3:37AM (Unverified) said

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Well it seems as though this analyst has completely forgotten about the pc version of bioshock. And truthfully I see the bioshock commercial constantly when I watch television and there is a banner add for it on several sites that i visit daily. Now although I don't think bioshock sales figures will come close to the cash in that is halo 3, it doesn't mean that bioshock will do poorly. It's been a slow couple of months people, bioshock is the remedy.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 3:53AM (Unverified) said

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I would guess that Bioshock will probably sell around the near 2 million unit mark similar to Oblivion over time. It has potential to cater to a larger casual audience with some streamlined options, which was what happened with Oblivion.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 8:03AM erh said

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@Gnome

I agree. I'm more of a casual gamer, myself. And Bioshock interests me much more than Halo 3. Bioshock offers the casual gamer so much more than Halo: a story and a frightening ambience. Bioshock is more "entertaining", while Halo is about "competition".
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 8:55AM sand0789 said

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Oblivion has sold over 3 million, actually. I went to four stores yesterday and Bioshock was sold out on 360 at each one. Each store had numerous copies of the PC version, though.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 3:49AM Wat said

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Uhh, the stock isn't "rising" because of potential bioshock sales. the stock is "recovering" because of the hit it took over GTAs delay, because even though it is delayed, it is guaranteed to cause the stock to rise. people are getting in at or near the bottom.

The massive bioshock hype train is simply pushing people to get in sooner.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 3:54AM Twist said

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Sure it isn't going to sell as well as Gears of War or Halo but I would say that the fact that it lacks multiplayer and didn't get hyped to point that we were sick of seeing it probably has a little more to do with it than when it was released.

Investors are not generally the smartest people anyway and neither are analysts. Analysts are good at sounding smart when talking to investors who know next to nothing about what they are investing in. And investors who know next to nothing about what they are investing in are good at over-reacting to every little bit of news they hear about what they are investing in.

Think of investors like the walkers in Lemmings and the analysts as the blockers. Only every now and then an investor blows up and that messes everything up until the analysts can get everything back under control.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 10:01AM heypaul said

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You obviously know nothing about analysts or investors.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 4:54AM davidc14 said

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I certainly got hooked by the hype, only problem is, the DRM on the PC version, coupled with the 2k servers for the DRM being down, means I can't install the game. THIS WAS NOT WORTH THE MONEY I PAID.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 6:37AM (Unverified) said

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bah!! quit your bitching........ atleast you have the freekin game!!

some of us have to wait for its release 2moz..........
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 7:24AM a dark day said

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sortof like the iphone. the second the sales report comes out their stock is going to fall spectacularly
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 7:32AM (Unverified) said

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I have the game too, and it's going back unopened and if any of you cared about DRM and the reasons consumers are/should resist it at all cost then you've never had the displeasure of a rootkit on your drive.

Tip - Bioshock installs a rootkit, and it's even possible the demo did the same and fucked over the PC users. That's on top of the many other issues with it. And yes it was obv a great game but talk about doing everything WRONG with a launch.

Got check 2k forums, you can not move for complaints and this isn't the usual scale of whiners on a game release these are all valid issues.

What are the devs doing? nothing cos they have admitted they are all on holiday (rather than wait till after post launch week).

http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19

Actually theyve just deleted MANY valid threads as damage limitation the mother fuckers are pulling a stunt or two here please don't let them get away with through HYPE.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 8:09AM (Unverified) said

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the funny thing is that system shock 2 was a cult title on PC, dont think it even had a console release, and now they are screwing PC owners - well 2k, just wait till Halo 3 hits, no 360 owner is going to buy buy your title.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 8:11AM erh said

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PC gamers only have themselves to blame for the DRM. A very large portion of PC gamers try to pirate their games. Most PC gamers I've met think nothing of spending hundreds of dollars on a new video card, but take offence to spending a dime of software! What do you think publishers are going to do when their multi-million dollar shooter is outsold by Rollorcoaster Tycoon!
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 8:29AM flit said

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Wow, you have no idea what a rootkit even is, do you. DRM has nothing to do with rootkits. The problem seems to be that you can only install the game on 2 computers at a time, so you asshats who give it to your friends to install without removing it off your own computer are SOL.

The verification tool lets you have the game on any 2 computers at a single time (why would you need 3 or 4 anyway?) When you uninstall the game, it contacts 2k and removes one of your registered computers, allowing you to install it on another computer.

Sheesh, quit being such an uninformed asshat, I bet you also think that the game looks bad because it's not 1080p rendered from a blue ray disk, eh?
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 8:08AM MosquitoControl said

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It installs Securom, not exactly a "rootkit" in the way you think it is. It's not what Sony did. It's not even Starforce.

It just detects how many times you install the game. It will not allow more than two active installs at once. Most people that were freaking out over this have already gotten over it...

The same protection has been used in STALKER and Neverwinter Nights 2.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 8:10AM (Unverified) said

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Buy low, sell high. Take 2's stock was low from previous fallout. Nothing special there.
Hype and anytime a company is sued or threatened there of, gets attention. And that generates speculation.
Sorry, but Take 2 isn't getting my $ for Bioshock, and not at $60...I'll wait for ebay or hype to die down. Plus next month will be the measuring rod for "hype" and sales (Halo 3). Putting my Crackdown on ebay...$5..anyone?
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 8:33AM falcomadol said

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It's a good game, it'll probably sell 2-3 million copies on PC and 360. Prey sold over a million, and while it was good, I don't think anyone would put it in this class.

But yeah, there's a lot of Irrational exuberance here.

Er, make that 2K Boston exuberance.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 9:04AM sand0789 said

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It is hilarious hearing PC gamers bitch about DRM and rootkits. It is your own damn faults. Bitch all the way to your lan party where you and six friends figure out a way around this Bioshock protection and install one copy across 7 computers.

Every heavy PC gamer that I know pirates the majority of games that they play. They even enjoy finding out how to do it. The excuse is always the same "I buy games I really want, like Battlefield (which translates to games they have to buy to play in online servers). I pirate the others (which translates to games like Oblivion where there is no online mode), but I'd never buy those so it isn't screwing anyone. WTF is up with this rootkit bullshit."

Go to any local game store right now. See how many Bioshock PC and 360 copies are available. The 360 version is sold out everywhere and the PC version isn't selling shit.

PC is choking itself to death.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 9:37AM (Unverified) said

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I think you may be going a little overboard Jake... there is a lot of pirating that goes on for the 360, it's just that game makers can't do anything to prevent it. in fact, a pirated version of bioshock for the 360 was out 2 days before the game was released. the PC pirated version just came online late yesterday.

I'm not sure what you are so pissed off about in regards to PC gaming, but I wouldn't say it's choking itself to death. graphics technology is booming right now with DX10 on Vista. Bioshock looks and plays incredibly on my machine, and it's just DX9.

Btw, when I bought my copy of Bioshock from Best Buy on Tuesday at 5pm, they had already sold 43 of their 50 copies. I wouldn't consider that "selling like shit" I think the game on the whole will surpass 2 million easy.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 9:38AM (Unverified) said

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what a big fuckin surprise coming out of your mouth. I'm a "heavy PC gamer" and I have never pirated one game in my life, nor do any of my "six friends" you ignorant asshat. The PC version will just as good as the 360 version, especially with STEAM selling the game, which I did and just about everyone I know. Once again, you wildly underestimate the PC. Fuckin idiot.

Blaming all PC Gamers for this protection scheme is naive and stupid, but this is typical anti-pc garbage coming from you, so it's no surprise.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 10:04AM (Unverified) said

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I skipped the store and bought it on Steam. Plays great!
I think the fact that it is on Steam is why there are loads of PC copies in the store.

The game play reminds me a lot of Dark Messiah:Heros of Might and Magic. Anyone else think so?
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 11:39AM sand0789 said

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Look, there is a reason that PC gaming isn't anywhere near what it used to be and a reason why you guys are getting slapped with more and more copy protection. And it isn't because I am an "ignorant asshat". It isn't because 360 gamers pirate too.

Yes, there are honest PC gamers out there. Of course. I never said there wasn't. But unfortunately too many, like some guys I personally know, will pirate the majority of the games that they play, only buying games they want and can't get around the protection on.

Look at the facts. Protection is an effect of piracy as devs look to protect their hard work from thieves.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 9:11AM (Unverified) said

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Will the release of Halo 3 negatively affect Bioshock? I don't think so in the long run. If Halo 3 sells consoles like Microsoft (and I) expect, it will help the sales for all well received Xbox 360 titles because many new owners will be looking for other games to buy including games they may have missed out on. I expect Gears of War to get a small bump in sales around the release of Halo 3 as well. Of course I have no credentials and no one pays to hear my opinion on the video game market so chances are Mike Hickey's opinion carries quite a bit more weight.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 9:23AM (Unverified) said

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you lot of weird - you say we only have ourselves to blame and yet if I were a pirate I would hardly be complaining about DRM would I?

Sure piracy is rife on the PC but don't think it's still not a massive part of consoles either. The bioshock XBox pirate version was on the next last week for download and from one thread I saw on 2k forums it's shifted hundreds of thousands of downloads already.

Ok guys - yes DRM is good for us, whatever you say. And technicalities of the severity of THIS particular 'rootkit' like software or not it is still part and parcel of the overly zealous anti piracy measures that are DRIVING people to piracy not away from it *sigh*

Jesus how fucked up is that.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 9:42AM (Unverified) said

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Fester, that's an excellent post. These console fucknut fanboys are telling us it's our fault, yet why the fuck would we complain about DRM if we pirated the game? Makes no fucking sense at all, but than again, we're talking about a majority of idiots who wouldn't know what a GPU is from a hole in the ground.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 12:32PM Shagittarius said

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I had to dig 4 GPUs in my backyard last weekend cause I'm putting in a new fence.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 1:20PM (Unverified) said

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Mommy and daddy put grandma in a GPU last winter.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 10:27PM (Unverified) said

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Thanks Shawn, I knew I was correct in my original opinion... 50'000 views on 2k and top box on Digg says so.. looks like I was spot on so STFU :)

I don't blame the posters above who flamed me, they just don't understand the issue - ignorance happens alot around the internet ;)
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 9:41AM Pipp said

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It was hard, but I gave up on my PC in favor of the 360. I'm not putting up with PC gaming any longer and the constant need to upgrade upgrade upgrade. DX10 cards are just insane.

I also don't think Halo 3 will slow sales. If this game really does start winning Game of the Year from many sources, sales will pick up through the holiday season. The game really is good enough to make it a smash hit. I'm not sure if its GTA good, but it's really flipping good.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 10:34AM (Unverified) said

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well duh the game's not cooking mama or some other mini game collection so no grannies or out of touch parents are gonna play it.

thinkin man FPS' never penetrate the mass market, people like simple FPS like halo where you just run/jump/gun, no thinking involved
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 10:57AM (Unverified) said

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"Nollenberger Capital Partners analyst Todd Greenwald tells GameDaily BIZ that BioShock is 'not the next GTA'"

of course BioShock isn't the next GTA, I didn't get bored after 2 hours of gameplay.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 11:23AM (Unverified) said

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Analysts who spout this crap are what makes innovation and truly unique games "too risky" for publishers to make. Shareholders are the real decision makers sadly and I wish these so called analysts would shut up and let innovation and quality games outshine the competition. Bioshock is a great game and Take-Two deserves all the stock jump they can get for making a stellar, M-rated quality game. Other developers should take note and try to even reach the shadow of Bioshock. EA, I am looking at you.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 11:43AM sand0789 said

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So Shawn, who would you blame for all the protection schemes if not PC gamers. Me?

Matt B,
I didn't think about Steam. I'd be curious when it is done if the 360 version outsold the PC version. If it did, that would be very sad for the PC platform.

And I really don't have anything against PC. Mine used to run games well and once it dies completely I will be going big on my next PC, seeing as I actually have money now.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 11:56AM (Unverified) said

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Copy protection gimmicks are nothing more than a selling point to publishers(thus shareholders)to help sell a project for development. It's nothing more than a false sense of security, as it's fairly common knowledge that they get broken within hours. It's a lack of education on the part of business suits whose only concern is the bottom line, plain and simple.

On the shit end of the stick are the PC Gamers who support the developers. The piracy across the board is a problem moreso in Asia and Eastern Europe more than anything else.

If a game is good or great on PC, it will most likely sell tons, depending on the game type obviously of course and barrier of entry.
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 12:00PM (Unverified) said

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This ANALyst has no clue! I do not believe that sell-outs across the SoCal area is attributable to the "Hard-core Gamer." Very dark and very complex compared to Gears of War?

I believe we have an ANALyst who is Short TTWO!
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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 2:20PM (Unverified) said

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Are you kidding me?

Gears of War is published by a company which has very little to gain from its success overall. Gears of War doesn't move Microsoft stock.

A company like take-two lives and dies by games. The possibility of a solid gaming franchise blooming out of greater than expected sales is more than enough to warrant investment.

Not to mention Kramer raved about gamestop the other day which put the casual investors mind on the gaming industry for a blip.

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Posted: Aug 23rd 2007 2:27PM (Unverified) said

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This game will sell more than 2 million easy.
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