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Posted: Aug 27th 2007 10:44PM (Unverified) said

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@ ska oreo

Doesn't the guy above you have a point though?

I mean Nintendo DOES have to give its approval to the 3rd Party titles that appear on their consoles correct?

So basically I feel like Nintendo needs to be more strict about the QUALITY of games that appear on the Wii.

For example I don't want games on the Wii that don't support 480p. I know that may sound like a lot and maybe it is but the standards have to start somewhere right?

Another thing is ideas/concepts. Nintendo needs to develop more ORIGINAL titles. Also they need to make sure that the games being developed for the Wii aren't limited to minigame clusterf*cks or sports sims...

Lets get some new creative FPS. Or even Adventure games. How about a NEW platformer with an awesome character?

Just ideas. However its up to Nintendo if they want to use all that great creative energy I KNOW they possess to produce stellar new titles that everyone can enjoy. Games that we can specifically say are geared ONLY towards "hardcore gamers", ONLY towards "causal gamers", or BOTH.
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Posted: Aug 28th 2007 11:59AM Crono141 said

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But he didn't say "console". he said "Mario".

If anything, Nintendo targeting the casual market just gets rid of the excuse of third parties that "We can't compete with Nintendo on a Nintendo platform". Well, Nintendo has bowed out of the competition for the hardcore games market, now the 3rd parties need to put up or shut up.
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Posted: Aug 27th 2007 11:02PM (Unverified) said

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I'd like to say I was worried about where this development might lead us in the distant future,
but I can't seem to get past the fact that this article was written in the worst way possible. Jeez, bitter much?

This is worse than the reaction to the Gamespot review for Prime 3. And that was -horrible-.

Posted: Aug 27th 2007 11:27PM kid said

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I feel.....

cold

Posted: Aug 27th 2007 11:38PM Sponge said

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Look at it this way, Nintendo found themselves selling millions after 2 lackluster generations. They saw the potential chance for major expansion into casual gaming and they pounced. When they keep hyping Wii Fit or Brain Age, or any non-hardcore title, they do so to keep the general public looking at them. If they were to show off Disaster, Mario Kart, Prime, or their hardcore titles, the casual players may forget them and they lose a lot of sales. By NOT showing off their hardcore titles, they are actually showing faith in their fans. If I (and probably many of you) never heard a single word about Brawl outside of a release date, it would still be a day-one purchase. They know these titles will sell to the hardcore, it's the casual crowd that has to be 100% sure before buying any more games.

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 12:17AM (Unverified) said

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Also To add to everyone screaming that nintendo has no titles for '08 that almost every title on the PS3 and Xbox 360 that is highly anticipated and planned for release in '08 was delayed to '08 instead of that being the target date. Also how can one expect all the hardcore titles they want to come out soon when 2-4 years of game development is culminating in what will be the best holiday season for gaming EVER. I highly expect that next year after MGS4 and GTA4 come out there will be almost no true AAA on any of the consoles for quite a few months.

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 12:38AM flameofdoom666 said

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With Metroid Prime 3 in my Wii. Soon Battalion Wars 2, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Super Mario Galaxy And Smash Bros Brawl (and I own Zelda: Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario, WarioWare Smooth moves), I cannot see a LACK of hardcore games. They are focusing on both, which is fine. They make money on casual games, which benefits everyone. They just bought Monolith studios, if they keep making money, they will buy more studies. Everyone is over reacting to a few casual games (which develop much faster, and do not use a lot of resources).

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 12:54AM (Unverified) said

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Anyone know how much store credit do you get for a Wii?

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 12:54AM (Unverified) said

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Good.

We turned our backs on Nintendo long ago. I'm surprised it took them this long to properly flip the rest of us off.

Kudos Nintendo.

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 8:08AM (Unverified) said

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ooooh dear, this is quite childish, man u guys know nothing of marketing? how did the wii and all the mad wii games get announced? Nintendo Tour, which happens around the same time as TGS. look, nintendo wants some kids like whoever wrote the article to winge, and cry and shout NINTENDO IS DOOOOOMED! so then they come up when no one expects and Voila! omg! its the wii!anyone remember that? i will see all of u's eating ur words when they show what they have. oh, btw, fo any of u's who doubt all this, go to this site: www.rumorreporter.com, this guy has a lot of info, and for u's who are confused, Project hammer is not cancelled, it has only been modified, and it's still on their website. i think it's a mad plan cause also, they want us to be amazed with 3rd party games, such as No more heroes, FFCC, DQS, Resident Evil, cause one this is a fact, Nintendo gamers want nintendo games. so if they bring out games when there's heaps of 3rd party games, the 3rd parties get less attention, therefore, 3rd parties leave because of poor sales. or do u expect resident evil, no more heroes or FF to sell more than Mario Galaxy? SSBB? u gotta be crazy!! plus nintendo is developing a RPG game and remaking a dead franchise, possibly kid icarus, since he's in brawl. well, that is all, refelct on it, and see if u can make better articles from now on. :)

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 8:25AM (Unverified) said

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Anyone who says "u" and doesnt relaise that that personal pronoun is a plural unto itself, does not have any form of valid opinion. Period.
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Posted: Aug 28th 2007 1:52AM (Unverified) said

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i drove 700km from belgium to leipzig, now 700km might seem a short trip to americans or people from china but for me thats like driving 3 times through belgium. if i drive 100km in any directing i have to try 1 of the 4 languages i speak and hope someone will actually understand.

imagine my utter disappointment when i arrived at the ugly white showercurtain that was the nintendo booth in leipzig. i went looking for the two games i came to see: metroid and mario galaxy and they didn't even have those on display. actualy for the normal none press public they only had 3 (three) games: wiifit, wiisports and big brain. wiisports and big brain are old games, and wiifit is even less of a game than big brain and total waste of time, i only queued and tried it because i would get a t-shirt and the queue wasn't too big

no-one at the nintendo booth seemed to care, most thought i was a strange guy for even asking for metroid like i was to stupid to realize how amazing big brain was

if you compare to sony's gigantic and beautiful booth this was pretty shameful, sony had 3 times the area, had hundreds of playable ps3 and psp with all kind of games, sony is also very successful with singstar (believe me its awful to here the germans sing on singstar :)) they had a seperate booth for that, a very large and nicely designed booth for their +18 games, a very big area where you could sit down and play a psp, a big area with GT5, a big area with all kind of other PS3 games.

i don't particularly liked sony, i never even had a PS2, its just to show how different their approach was and i sure had a lot more fun at the sony booths

i own a wii since launch and i agree with one of the above posters that their are some fun games out at the moment (zelda, trauma center, monkey ball) but as a gamer i think my future path will drift away from nintendo

GC07 was pretty cool, i played lots of great games, sadly none nintendo
nintendo's booth was a disgrace as market leader their booth was cheap, ugly and boring

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 2:54AM zsavior said

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LOL wait, no more gamecube jokes? No more jokes about how nintendo should quit? Amazing, how about some more WII humor.

Burns doesn't it, the fact is Jem Alexander isn't wrong it is just a half truth. You see while during the N64, nintendo Gamecube days, the gamer spit in nintendo's face and told them to suck it. Supporting them through none of their times yet, asking them to port their games to other systems.

The problem here is Gamers are at the point where they think they can abuse the system with out it turning on them. If somebody constantly kicks and attacks you, then ridicules all your efforts to cater to them why would you spend more millions to get their attention?

By gamers estimations nintendo hasn't been creating games for them they are the Kiddie company, so what is the problem now? Nintendo is not your only choice play your XBO360 and your PS3, but maybe the truth is something you don't want to admit. Maybe the truth is nintendo was a good alternative for the non-aggressive game play of those two systems. Maybe supporting systems like the N64, the Gamecube, The DreamCast are good ideas to make gaming a broader market. NAAAAAAH, violence or nothing, I say the gamer lives with their choice and stops complaining.

What was that somebody said before? I once heard a quote a gamer said mentioning "I played nintendo when I was growing up, it is a ashame nintendo didn't want to grow with me". Well it looks like nintendo is all grown up and it realized that a mature audience is where they were needed the whole time. Gamers forced nintendo's hand not the other way around, don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got
till it's gone , Jonie Mitchell never lies.

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 3:51AM (Unverified) said

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are you freakin' kiddin me? the hardcore gamers are the ones who SAVED Nintendo from becoming history. who do you think made Nintendo survive throughout the N64 and GC days? all the casuals from the SNES generation jumped on to PlayStation. if it wasnt for the hardcore gamers supporting N64 and GC, Nintendo would very well have quit the industry. so much for gratification though.
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Posted: Aug 28th 2007 8:06AM Sponge said

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Curmeo, you are wrong. It was Nintendo's hardcore fanboys who will buy every system ever produced by Nintendo that kept them a float. These gamers already are jumping on the Wii and are loving it. It's the hardcore gamers that jumped to PS2 or Xbox that Nintendo doesn't care about.
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Posted: Aug 28th 2007 3:48AM (Unverified) said

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Is it any surprise that Nintendo wouldn't care about the hardcore gaming crowd?

Especially since is the same crowd that didn't buy Metroid Prime and Resident Evil 4 in the droves when the games came out.

Were I a large multinational conglomerate, I'd be giving the middle finger too.

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 5:17AM (Unverified) said

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I recently got an elite as an early xmas present with bioshock. The game quality completely blows the wii out of the water. Out of eight wii games i own{wii sports/play, excitetruck, red steel,cod3, sonic, resi 4, wario ware} resi 4 is the best and yet its a port of a two year old game i already own. Im now seriously considering selling my wii after i play the holy trinity because my elite has way more to offer

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 5:19AM BurntMeatloaf said

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The sad truth is that the customer is at fault. The trouble is, the customer isn't always the one USING the games -- just the one buying them.

Every soccer mom who reads about Wii Fit in their favorite makeup magazine will buy it for her kid. It doesn't matter if it's any good or not. Nintendo is a game company... emphasizing exercise! Wow! That's just what my 8-year-old needs!

The Wii is all about image and marketing. The games aren't really appealing to a larger demographic than they have in the past, since my grandpa loved to play Nintendo all the time. What has expanded is the marketing. Nintendo has simply shifted the sales pitch from "this is fun" to "this looks cool". This works in every market -- not just games. Miis are not meant for gamers. They are for clueless parents who would otherwise be looking for radio controlled cars or plastic unicorns for their kids.

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 6:45AM (Unverified) said

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First up, John - Buy Zelda, then metroid. You say that Bioshock is blowing your wii experince out of the water, then you list all of the relatively shallow games youve bought. Youve gotta give the system a chance to compete by buying its top titles.

Now.

I would buy into this concern that nintendo are dumping their fanbase in favour of the lucrative casual market, if I only got my news from expo's. Fortunately, being a somewhat hardcore gamer, I delve a little deeper into the gaming media to find more information.

So what do I find? I find that Nintendo launched this system with a Zelda title, one that was fitted to fans exact specifications of a graphically enhanced OOT. I find that nintendo are releasing 3 games before christmas that directly cater to its fanbase, and they are 3 games that everone is very exitied about. One of those games, metroid, is being praised as having the best first person controls on a console, and is currently being receieved very well by reviewers, all of whom are bound to give it top scores.

Another of those games, SSB:Brawl, is again being tailored to suit fans needs, boasting a huge character roster and online play which is all fans would ask for from the game.

And the third of these games, Mario Galaxy, has been essentially worhipped everywhere it appears. Ive yet to hear a single criticm of this game.

I suppose its debatable whether these games qualify as 'hardcore' (it seems that 'hardcore' often means dark and edgy, at least to some commenters)...But there is no question that these games are direct fan service.

So, why are these games not being shown at expo's, as is the bloggers gripe? Because the fans dont need to be marketed to. Awareness of a new mario or metroid game is raised by the community itself, through viral-esque word of mouth and fansite/zine features, not by a video presentation. That said, metroid has been given its own promotional channel on the wii, and smash brothers has a dedicated update site. But regardless, its obvious why Nintendo's main focus at exhebitions has beein on their new audience: they are the ones that need the advertising space. The Wii sucess would never exist if it wasnt for the hype in the media targeted at the new casual audience. Its no wonder why nintendo wants to keep this going, they have to if it is to remain in existance. The general public is a fussy bunch, and if they are not reminded about the Wii, they will forget about it and move onto the next thing.

But just because the marketing team realise that this audience is the one that needs to be kept aware and not the hardcore...it does NOT mean that this audience has been forgetten about in terms of games, as Nintendo's own release list for this christmas will testify. All it means is that Nintendo knows its fans know about the games they are giving us (and every nintendo fan I know is pretty exited about the next few months), but Nintendo needs to remind its casual audience of the games its making for them constantly.

Honestly guys, Metroid, Smash and Mario in the next few months and youre claiming nintendo has forgetten about you? Man are we spoilt.

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 9:27AM samfish said

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You get a + for being one of the few people in this thread to actually get it.
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Posted: Aug 28th 2007 9:57AM (Unverified) said

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*Claps*

True, true. I guess that "hardcores" are up in arms because they are not -the- focus anymore. We'll just have to keep a close eye on the line up next year and see where this goes...
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Posted: Aug 28th 2007 8:33AM (Unverified) said

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and who are U to question the way i write? don't go off topic if U don't have any arguments. jeez, grow up will ya?

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 8:43AM (Unverified) said

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@is, man that is so true, i mean i always had nintendo systems, sega and PS, but out of those, nintendo has never let me down, i enjoyed PS2, BUT GC had so many awesome games... i found the PS2 range too average and the titles wouldn't keep me busy for a week. i found nintendo games so immersive, so incredibly beautiful, and they never disapointed me in terms of game quality, and man, having 3 nintendo top games before christmas, and another few from 3rd parties, i really cannot see the need for worrying. and plus what does the 360 offer or the ps3 atm? shooting, shooting... and ummm shooting. i really like 360 games but it gets repetitive after a while, and don't get me startedon PS3 games! sincerely, i think nintendo has the best end of year lineup, i mean they're putting all their effort to guarantee we have their best stuff, and remember how bad was the MP3 controllers at last yr's e3? and they've fixed it so that our wait would be worth it. Nintendo never forgets their fans, they always to to perfect their games for us, i can't see any other company doing the same. Congrats Nintendo.

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 9:56AM KaneRobot said

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I sold my Wii, and made full retail price back on it. Never regretted it for an instant. What a shitty "console."

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 9:58AM (Unverified) said

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The debate between "casual" and "hardcore" is muddled at best given that each gamer type defines both categories differently. I can only laugh when I see a Nintendo fanboy spout off a ratio of 4:1 hardcore to casual games available for the Wii, but I'll look at the list of titles and KNOW that a 360 fanboy will view that ratio completely differently.

There's no hard science as to how to define each category. For the most part it's gone along demographics lines such as age and gender. But please don't purport that difficulty should define what makes a game casual vs. hardcore. Personally, I feel that definitions are best drawn around level of sophistication and degree of emotional involvement, but even those lines are blurry at best.

What suprises me most is that people feel "betrayed" and neglected by Nintendo. Some even offer that gamers themselves are at fault since they "abandoned" Nintendo first. What happened to evolving tastes? We didn't necessarily abandon Nintendo, nor did they leave us. Perhaps we just grew out of them. Nintendo has been pretty consistent in sticking with their casual consumer base, and we need not curse them for that. Hardcore gamers who grew up with them may have "broken hearts," but also need to recognize that they're a business first, and that they'll do what suits them best financially. Some of us have grown to relish more involving and challenging experiences, Sony and MSFT have come to fill that market.

I grew up with Mario, but Mario didn't grow up with me. My 360 has my attention for now, but I'll keep my eye open for anything Nintendo might have for me down the line...

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 10:17AM misskale said

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While I would agree that Nintendo has been shifting their focus (which I'm ok with since it compliments my xbox 360 and PC time), I think that there's definitely some context to this conference.

Remember it was still a GERMAN trade show. And in May they were considering banning games of a violent nature. I would think showing a significantly non-violent focus would help their image and sales there.

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 10:27AM (Unverified) said

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I think the biggest line of bullshit I've seen over these last few pages is this one, and I paraphrase:

"Hardcore gamers made Nintendo, so they shouldn't throw them aside!"

These same people will jump at you for cheering on the strides Nintendo made with this line, again paraphrasing:

"Why do you care if Nintendo does well? Do you stock in them or what?"

So Nintendo should care more about gamers, but gamers shouldn't care so much about Nintendo... wait, what?

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 11:02AM (Unverified) said

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Oh, boo hoo! "We're not the target audience anymore"? Gimmie a break, will ya'? Arcade junkies said the same thing in the late 70s when the Atari 2600 took off -- "death of video games!" You whiners are like a revolt at an old-age home -- "they're discontinuing tapioca pudding -- raid!" Get with the program; stop complaining. The games Nintendo are producing are more fun than ever. Who gives a rat's ass who the "target audience" is?

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 11:12AM (Unverified) said

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Guys the real problem the Wii is facing is not Nintendo, but third parties. Even a friend of mine who does Wii development keeps saying that his company is focusing on "casual" titles. If all third parties are gonna do is make "casual" games, then who's gonna make the games that the "core" gamer likes to play? Apparently, no one. You'd think after all this time that some of these third party developers would pick up the slack and provide more games for the "core", but seems like every time one of them announces a game, it's a "casual" game for the Wii and a "core" game for the 360/PS3. That's the root of the problem and they keep telling me that the Wii is for "casual" players.

The sad fact is that it will stay for casual players as long as no one makes games for the "core". It's depressing and even some of my developer friends tell me straight up to purchase a 360 or PS3 if I want a gaming experience for the "core" audience. My question is why should I have to? If more third parties made games for the "core" on the Wii, then I wouldn't need to have another machine. There's never any answer to that. :(

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 11:38AM (Unverified) said

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Regardless of opinions on whether or not Nintendo is abandoning gamers, I really think the show speaks for itself.

The traditional games are sequestered in a small area behind a curtain, the tour guide gives you about 15 minutes to gawk at the greatness, then takes you to the large show floor filled with Brain-everything while trying to convince you that what you just left behind is the "old world of gaming".

Hate to say it, but Nintendo has made their choice. It's no longer about expanding the market, as there's an obvious disparity in what market's getting their time and attention. No, they're 'switching' markets. It really does kind of seem like 2007 is the last hoorah for gamers with Nintendo. All of their great titles have all come out within the span of 1 year (this has never before happened). Hammer is shelved and Disaster seems to be going down the same road. All we know of next year for gamers is a watered down Mario Kart that will surely be drowned out by the huge marketing blitz Nintendo will have planned for Wii Fit.

It seems like, after this year, we're going to have to count on 3rd parties to provide the deep gaming experiences Nintendo seems set to abandon, but so many of them are set to try and cash in on non-gamers, even this may be scarce. Oh well, as long as nothing happens to No More Heroes and Crystal Bearers I should be fine with my Wii for a little longer. But, man, this is really depressing.

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 11:39AM (Unverified) said

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Regardless of opinions on whether or not Nintendo is abandoning gamers, I really think the show speaks for itself.

The traditional games are sequestered in a small area behind a curtain, the tour guide gives you about 15 minutes to gawk at the greatness, then takes you to the large show floor filled with Brain-everything while trying to convince you that what you just left behind is the "old world of gaming".

Hate to say it, but Nintendo has made their choice. It's no longer about expanding the market, as there's an obvious disparity in what market's getting their time and attention. No, they're 'switching' markets. It really does kind of seem like 2007 is the last hoorah for gamers with Nintendo. All of their great titles have all come out within the span of 1 year (this has never before happened). Hammer is shelved and Disaster seems to be going down the same road. All we know of next year for gamers is a watered down Mario Kart that will surely be drowned out by the huge marketing blitz Nintendo will have planned for Wii Fit.

It seems like, after this year, we're going to have to count on 3rd parties to provide the deep gaming experiences Nintendo seems set to abandon, but so many of them are set to try and cash in on non-gamers, even this may be scarce. Oh well, as long as nothing happens to No More Heroes and Crystal Bearers I should be fine with my Wii for a little longer. But, man, this is really depressing.

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 12:02PM TwEE said

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Isn't Nintendo releasing most of their major franchises within around the first year of the consoles life?.. Isn't the unprecedented for them?

Zelda, Metroid, Mario, smash bros, paper Mario, wario ware (oh my gawd a mini game collection, gaming is doooooooooomed). Are these not out or coming out very soon?

Do Microsoft and Sony push out that many high quality games over a year period? Or are all the top quality games third party?

If Nintendo is going to be held to certain expectations why not the other two?

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 12:33PM (Unverified) said

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Because Nintendo is the only company that has had to, traditionally, deal with crappy third party support. And, so far, the Wii only seems to be doing marginally better in that respect. Yeah, we'll be getting some good games(and my two most anticipated Wii games are third party titles--No More Heroes and Crystal Bearers), but the ratio of original titles built from the ground up for Wii to opportunistic mini-game crap and ports is a little alarming.

All of Nintendo's prized franchises will be out soon. In about the span of one year. That's insane. Great for the short term, and a lot of these games were delayed and took their sweet time coming, but what about the rest of the Wii's lifecycle? Games of this quality take years to make, and with all of them being released by the end of this year what else will there be to look forward to? New gamer IPs? Doubt it. Hammer was shelved and there hasn't been a peep from Disaster in about a year. And with Nintendo's *increasing* focus on non-gamers, and all their talk about how they've found the holy grail with non-gamers, better believe that this downtime is not going to be spent making more traditional games.

I call it now: Next year is going to be the year of Wii Fit. If it sells that's all they'll talk about. If it doesn't (and, honestly, I really don't think it'll sell that well), they're going to spend all their marketing power pushing it onto the public.
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Posted: Aug 28th 2007 12:17PM zochmenos said

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Same old story. "I'm not the target demographic!? That sucks!"

Shut up. Nintendo finally figured out the dirty little secret about the so-called "hardcore" gamer...they buy hype.

Like most people, gamers love to be pandered to.

"What's this nasty new Mountain Dew?" "Gamer Fuel?" "Awsome!"

It's the same reason that garbage editorial on IGN was written. IGN wants Nintendo to come to them for exclusives and interveiws just like the Bungies and Epics of the world. That way, they get more traffic, sell more advertising, and get more and more content.

Are we to believe that the young men and women surfing IGN were completely oblivious to Metroid?

Of course not.

Then why do we need the hype?

"Hardcore" gamers are kids. (13-19) They love boobs, blood, and screaming pop song lyrics into the mic on Xbox Live.

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 12:32PM (Unverified) said

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Excellent post.

In short all these hardcore gamers are a bunch of whiny losers who think its ALL about them.

Guess what Jem? Its NOT.

And IGN is so pathetic is unspeakable. That whole Metroid "hype" bullshit article they spit out a few weeks ago was GARBAGE and Nintendo made them look like the fools they truly are for it.
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Posted: Aug 28th 2007 1:28PM (Unverified) said

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I was under the impression that IGN called Nintendo out for not hyping or effectively marketing Metroid Prime 3. Other than a Wii Channel, there was little to no marketing for the game. IGN called it. Unless I'm missing something, that doesn't sound pathetic on IGN's part.
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Posted: Aug 28th 2007 4:02PM (Unverified) said

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just putting in my password nevermind me

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 8:41PM (Unverified) said

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The best way to buy a Nintendo system, ever since the dreadfully bare N64, is to wait a few years until it's near the end of its cycle, and then get the Mario, Zelda, Metroids, and some third party games. ;)

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 8:41PM (Unverified) said

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whoever said: "who do you think made Nintendo survive throughout the N64 and GC days?"

It wasn't the hardcore. It was Pokemon, plain and simple.

Posted: Aug 28th 2007 9:05PM (Unverified) said

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true pokemon and kid games kept 64 and Gc from going belly up. Since when is mario Hardcore???? there's nothing hardcore about mario its not technical its not hard....its just long....and you guys are missing the point nobody is doubting that those games are great to play.....but answer me this how many actual mario games does a typical ninty console maybe one or two(not counting kart and smash) and how many metroid games do you normally get 1 per console same with zelda that is NOT enough for a 5 year span. why havent they made a serious racing game.....real cars real tracks it doesnt have to be forza but 12yrs know enough about cars to race with real cars in games. say what you want it just doesnt have enough real games...its game cube all over again....where is all this 3rd party support they were braging about before launch they said the same thing when the gc was released.....they havnt had good support since snes.

Posted: Aug 29th 2007 9:13AM (Unverified) said

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Mario's not hardcore? wow i thought hard core was for massive impact games who usually sell millions and exist for so long cause of their success and tradition. out of all the games out there, MARIO is the most hardcore of them all. man, ppl criticize nintendo so much but nintendo is kicking ass in development, no one has more games down the pipe then they do. plus its not just SSBB or Mario galaxy, its Batallion wars, Mario kart, wii fit, wii music, fzero, Animal crossing, star fox, fire emblem, kirby, donkey kong man, all these games are major games that are announced or surely going to be released because they release thoes on every system. there's so many games and those are only made by nintendo! plus Project HAMMER is still on, so is Day of Crisis. and 3rd party being poor? how about resident Evil? Final fantasy? Dragon Quest? Ferrari challenge? Saddness? no more heroes? bleach? nights? plus there's more, i just forgot the names. but u see? there's so many, how about the other systems? Halo3? MGS4?resi evil 5... then what? nintendo has many more games coming out... that's cause they're working hard for us, play MP3:C then come back and talk to me.

Posted: Aug 29th 2007 1:30PM (Unverified) said

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When I read this post, it makes me think of other games that have already BEEN released on the Wii, that I would think would go more into the "hardcore" side of things than casual. Games like: Sonic, Godfather, Scarface, SSX, Madden, Tony Hawk (although that was a divergent game from the main series), etc. These are only off of the top of my head. Then there are the big 3 coming up (counting MP3 in that because it was only just released), with expectations that are apparently being met by anyone that has previewed/played parts or all of them already. Then there are third party titles, like MySims (which..I've never like the Sims..but I'm ashamed to say I want to try this one), Dewy, Zak and Wiki, No More Heroes, RE:UC, Ghost Squad, Bully, Manhunt 2...it doesn't seem to me like the Wii is lacking in third party support. I agree with the above posters: Nintendo is focusing its ADVERTISING MIGHT AND MUSCLE on the casual market, because those are the consumers they have to KEEP interest from. They KNOW, from their many years experience in the gaming world, that the real "hardcore" (I hate that term) gamer gets their information online...word of mouth...magazine articles and reviews, etc...that they don't NEED to focus advertising on them. Those will get out. I also think that what someone else said above is true, and that they are trying to play down their games, to let third parties get a foot into the advertising door...let their games get spotlighted. Nintendo knows that thier own games will sell like hotcakes. They want to let others get a chance to do so as well, I think. There really are quite a few games out for the Wii, but they get glossed over by many. And why, do I think? Because they aren't NINTENDO titles. They are third party titles, so people put them down without giving them their full credit. This will change, but it will take time. Remember, the Wii HASN'T EVEN BEEN OUT A FULL YEAR YET. Its not even ONE FULL YEAR into its life cycle. People tout Bioshock and Mass Effect (with good cause...the look awesome and Bioshock is getting rave reviews from everyone), but give the Wii a chance to get to the SAME point in its lifetime...next year this time...and see where things stand. You can't expect miracles overnight, not even from Nintendo. Although I think its pretty miraculous that they are getting their big 3 all out by this holiday season, as they promised us they would...and they are all looking amazing to boot.

Posted: Aug 30th 2007 10:22AM (Unverified) said

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I am starting a legion of gamers. We shall be called hardcasual.

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