Analysts believe 80GB to go $499 this year

Naaa... you dont worth the effort.

You put down great it is.

Wow, that's the pot calling the kettle black...

Was grammar not worth the effort too?

Dude, watching you and Fernando is like getting two dogs to fight. It's great entertainment, just ask my buddy Vick.

Its the Ludiite hate club attacking me!

Wheres the Blue Dragon Boos music when you need it?

Jelly-filled airplane jackets make staples with butter.

Can these dogs also be shot once they've lost their edge?

Did you mean Luddite? Damn Philistine posters, always trying to whip out the big words and failing the spell check.

No I meant Ludiite as in "One who no longer believes in the advancement of technology because Nintendo told them two gamecubes taped together is more than they will ever need."

You guys need to start your own blog. You can make as many game lists as you want there.

I see. Well, I suppose that's better than the usual grade-school smack. But it lacks a little special "something" to make it understandable.

Anyway, while I have much love for my PS3, I can't deny the fun value inherent in the Wii. And from a business perspective, they hit the ball out of the park with that "outdated" console.

While Fernando can be annoying, I'd say that attacking the Wii on that front rings hollow these days. And personally, I welcome all the new gamers we can get. It lessons the reactionary crowd that would like to ban them and increases the amount to chose from.

@samfish: You not good sarcasm aren't.

Why for bad grammar everyone?

A good game is a good game. There should be no reason to pander to non gamers.

Are there movies that pander to non-movie goers? Why do we need video games that pander to non gamers?

Yes I think the glut of so called 'casual games' on the Wii is indeed a sign of the second coming of the game crash. Although I hope I've underestimated the intelligence of those currently championing the Wii and they will abandon that platform before its too late.

With the Wii were substituing good ocntent and mechanics for gimmiks (yes gimmiks). Its like the basketball game where they put trampolines on the floor so everyone can dunk more easily. Its a magic trick, its a joke, and its not good for the evolution of gaming.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that so many people have fallen for it. A more imprecise control method than anything in the last 10 years. Graphics that do nothing to advance the state of the art, Online play support virtually the same as it was 10 years ago.

Still, people buy it, just like they bought all the boy bands in the early 90s, and now the market for boy bands is virtually dead. Non gamers that happen to get into the Wii will treat it like any other fad, they will tire of it and move on after a while taking with them all the new dollars the industry thought it was going to see, and leaving a glut of "Casual games" that the remaining hardcore gaming audience has no interest in.

A lot of companies are going to go down this generation. remember what happend with the 2600 when almost everyone was a non gamer. Remember well what happened, for it is the doom of men that they forget.

blah blah blah blah blah.

Jesus christ you're like a broken record. We get it already, the Wii is evil towards all "real" gamers(which I find odd seeing as the ds is much more successful and yet you're not focusing your so called crusade on that).

I guess when sony fanboys finally feel threaten, they have to pull something out of their asses,(OMG the Wii will be the downfall of all gaming), just so they can find something wrong with another console beating it.

Not be sorry, Poisoned Al. Bizarro samfish am not here now!

I would say that we should lay off Fernando for the grammatical error because he doesn't speak English natively, but then I might have to excuse Shagittarius' stupidity because he doesn't speak logic natively. :(

Anni wins +5 internets for that comment.

Shagi, they make movies for non-movie watchers: they're called summer blockbusters. If you want to draw a parallel to hardcore games in movies, it would be the crappy independent films that have all their little independent film festivals, and have some sort of "meaning", but nobody but film nerds gives a crap.

I skipped the rest of your argument because I've heard it all before from you. Nintendo isn't going to cause another game crash. The home console CULTURE was completely different in '82. There won't be another game crash, especially not now. If anything, the Sony/Xbox "all we have are shooters and racers" was going to cause the market crash because everybody was tired of the same old garbage. If anything, nintendo has saved the industry AGAIN, by adding new fresh ideas and showing us games and gaming ideas not possible in a home console before.

Power under the hood isn't everything Shagi. The number of pixels on the screen expecially isn't everything. Its the core gameplay and mechanic that is MOST important. AI comes next. I'd say graphics, realism, and physics should take a backseat to both of those, and if you look at the most popular and award winning games throughout history, you'll see that they excel in gameplay and AI first, and that graphics and realism are second.

Seriously, it wasn't until the playstation brand came along that graphics and especially realism got all its hype. Its those gamers that didn't pick up a game until PS1 or PS2 that don't know what real gaming is about.

Dyslexia for cure found!

I sense bad grammar taking over joystiq comments the way "new and exciting" did.

I are all for it!

All Nintendo has brought so far is a new controller. They are publishing the exact same games as everyone else.

If you can't innovate software make everyone believe they aren't playing the same old games by throwing a new controller at them eh?

Exactly

The PS3 outsold the 360 in July, that's a fact :P

hasn't that been MS' strategy...move systems no matter what the financial loss?

I thought that was MS's strategy with the first XBox.
Get as many consoles into homes so that they can rule the next gen.

If they're still suffering huge losses on their second outing they should stop trying and go the way of the Wii.
If not they MAY suffer losses on their 3rd gen, and well, we all know what happens to companies that lose too much money.

@Kye

Once again, MS and Sony are huge companies with product diversity (unlike Nintendo). If their respective game divisions suffer losses, they're not simply just going to roll over and die. They get their revenues from other products anyway.

Stop trying to compare the PS3 and/or 360 to the Dreamcast.

Ah, but here is a riddle to bake your noodle. If there is always a model at $499, but there ceases to be a model at $600...did a price drop occur?

I'm not quite sure why people either griped at or defended the whole 60GB pricing business. Sony is following the time honored tactic of lowering the price on an earlier model, selling out, and then lowering the next model into that slot. A lot of Consumer Electronic Companies move product in that manner.

This may be the first example in the console business though. Usually form factors don't multiply until well into the generation.

Welcome to the PC market.

Call me when it hits 3.99 with the purchase of a Whopper combo.

get a job

Whopper? WTF is wrong with the Big Mac? HMMMM?!

"get a job"

I said it had to be the COMBO...