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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 6:04PM Fernando Rocker said

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They are at full production. The Wii's are still selling like the firts day. There are no Wii's on a stote that last for 5 hours.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 7:22PM hvnlysoldr said

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Let's say I want to fiah mai lazer. Obviously I have to charge mah lazer or it won't be effectively fired. In order to charge my laser I have to periodically stop firing my laser. My lazer is in high demand so I must keep firing my lazer. But if I don't keep charging my laxer I can't fire them. And that's why Nintendo is held up so much. They can't charge their lazers at full capacity because the money printers overwhelmed them beyond their wildest dreams.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 11:56PM Hydralisk456 said

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hvnlysoldr.... will you have my baby?
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Posted: Sep 6th 2007 12:19AM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said

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Did somebody say lazers?
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Posted: Sep 6th 2007 8:09AM DonaldMick said

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When I saw a Wii on store shelves last weeks, I shooped a woop.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 6:15PM (Unverified) said

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"No matter how loud you shout its not going to convince anyone..."
Now, take this advice. Please. I've read your intelligent, well thought out arguments. Please, I implore you Shagman, please, take your own advice. Brief posts can be intelligent. Not to offend you, or anything. I hope you won't find me rude. I hope you all have a pleasant day/evening/morning/that-akward-time-when-it's-not-really-the-afternoon-anymore-but-it's-not-yet-twilight-or-evening...time (Fun fact: 3:47 PM to 6:13 PM is, actually, that time.)

Posted: Sep 5th 2007 6:17PM BananaBoat said

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They might be giving us what we want (more Zelda, Mario, Etc) but they are giving us that stuff with terrible graphics. Twilight Princess (when viewed through objective, non-fanboy eyes) looked like CRAP. The story was what you'd expect from Nintendo, but it was obvious that almost no effort went into the visual look of the game (If you are outraged right now, go and look at some of the outside landscapes in Zelda, specifically the textures on the ground/mountains etc, then compare to an older game like Fable...). I expect first party games to be excellent graphically, as well as being excellent narratives, and Nintendo dropped the ball big time on Twilight Princess. Yes, I know it was made on the windwaker engine, and for the gamecube (and later ported), but still, after having seen games like RE4 and Fable (on last gen consoles) I expect alot more. I'm hoping Mario Galaxy and SSB will look like they were made this side of 2004 =/

Posted: Sep 5th 2007 6:29PM Mr Khan said

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Not to nitpick (i agree that TP could've looked better even as a GC game), but the repetitive textures when compared to other consoles is mostly due to disc space, a similar problem that the N64 had (although not nearly as severe). They couldn't put a ton of diverse textures on there, they didn't have the space

You can see the difference with Metroid Prime 3, where you see a broader array of textures, thanks to the fact that its using a disc as big as the 360
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 6:29PM mr nimblewick said

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"Twilight Princess (when viewed through objective, non-fanboy eyes) looked like CRAP"

I thought TP looked great. Call me whatever you want, your FACT is but an OPINION, and it doesn't stop me from enjoying its style.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 6:30PM mr nimblewick said

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"Twilight Princess (when viewed through objective, non-fanboy eyes) looked like CRAP"

I thought TP looked great. Call me whatever you want, your FACT is but an OPINION, and it doesn't stop me from enjoying its style.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 8:42PM bm111 said

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"Twilight Princess (when viewed through trolling, fanboy eyes) looked like CRAP."


There, fixed that for you.

Or maybe you're just entirely unaware of something called "art direction". Some games use it, have you heard? It gives each and every character in the game more visual life on their own than the entirety of something like Halo. It makes riding your horse through the fields with the twilight looming in the sky or riding through the Ordon region more awesome looking than anything Oblivion could put out despite its expensive speedtree renderer.

Speaking of horses, have you ever looked at a horse in Oblivion? They look completely fucking retarded! Especially compared to Link's horse, which supposedly has less shaders or something but still manages to look about a million times better.

But, oh, Oblivion runs in HD! Yeah, that certainly makes the horses look much better! No, not really. A mognoloid pony still looks like a mongoloid pony, even in 720p.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2007 5:32AM BurntMeatloaf said

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* Mr. Khan: "Not to nitpick (i agree that TP could've looked better even as a GC game), but the repetitive textures when compared to other consoles is mostly due to disc space"

The Wii has 3 MB of texture memory. A Wii game disc has about 4.5 GB of storage space.

Obviously, the disc space is the problem.

And, yes, I think TP looked like crap. Brown looks terrible on the PS3/Xbox/PC, but on the Wii it's "art direction" and "style". Maybe if Nintendo had bothered to use the extra 2+ MB of texture memory in the Wii, the grass would've looked like grass instead of some pixelated paste. But, of course, that would've taken EFFORT. It's much easier to just add different controls to a Gamecube game and reiterate that graphics don't matter.

Remember: graphics and art are completely different things.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2007 10:25AM bm111 said

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"Remember: graphics and art are completely different things."


LOL way to dodge my point there buddy. Well, then, "graphics" are something like 10% of what makes a game look good.

Great artists can make great looking games even on the SNES. Worthless artists can't make great looking games even on the current top-of-the-line PC's using the most expensive graphics engines.

Keep whining on about the resolution of a grass texture in a field. Epona still looks infinitely better than the retarded ponies in Oblivion. If you think TP looks like "crap" then you're just blind to this sort of thing, that's all there is to it.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 6:17PM Shagittarius said

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I just like to remind them that they are wrong.

Posted: Sep 5th 2007 6:53PM Exo said

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Do you really need to be reminded no one cares what you say? ok

No one cares what you say.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 7:21PM (Unverified) said

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And I just like to remind Shagi that he'll be eating his words within the next year.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 6:17PM Lemmiwinks said

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Hopefully, they've learned from their history of past complacence. NES licencing and Yamauchi's reluctance to push the envelope spring to mind...

Posted: Sep 5th 2007 6:30PM Mr Khan said

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As a Nintendo fan, i can still say NES liscencing was flat-out illegal. Its wierd that they were't jumped on for it sooner than they were, and the "punishment" that the courts doled out was laughable
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Posted: Sep 6th 2007 12:22AM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said

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Don't forget their strict censorship policies back in the day.

Poor sales of Mortal Kombat for Super NES taught them a hard lesson. Which was why Mortal Kombat 2, and every game afterwards, Nintendo no longer censored third-party efforts.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 6:35PM (Unverified) said

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You gotta love Iwata's mentals, man! What company has come out on top and instead of gloating and boasting said some profound reflective shit. Its one of the best statements a president of ANY company could ever say in the situation.

JEEEEZUS W T F is wrong with you haters out there(Shaggy I'm looking at you)
Look I understand you guys I really do. You pick something so insane to complain about so people will validate your (un)witty comments and make your immature ego purr. This has to be true, you have no basis to use as your point. Nintendo goes out of their way to let you guys know that dope(traditional) are still coming and yet you still cry because WiiFit exists. I predict MORE hardcore(whatever that means) games will be made for the Wii. The install base is huge. Developers want to sell games. Its a no-brainer. Look at how hard Rockstar is pushing to get Manhunt2 out. The traditional games will come along with the new casual games, and casual gamers will pick up on the traditional games. Its ALL a GOOD thing. And I'm not gonna tell Ninty to F-off because they found a well full of casual gamers forking over cash. That just means the next Zelda will have more loot for production, and that means a better game.
So shut up haters(SHAGGY!)...or not....whatever. I'm off to play Corruption.

Posted: Sep 5th 2007 7:03PM (Unverified) said

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"I believe my most important role right now is to prevent Nintendo from being in a company where people say, 'Oh, Nintendo is arrogant...'"

Too late.

That isn't to say that all companies aren't arrogant (lol double negative), but still.

Posted: Sep 5th 2007 7:24PM (Unverified) said

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That's not a double negative. The "that" starts a new clause, thereby separating "That isn't to say" and "all companies aren't arrogant" into two independent thoughts. I expect a three-page report in by Monday.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 7:40PM hvnlysoldr said

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Pirates are notorious for bad hand writing what with their patched eye and hook for a hand. Unless it's to fool a governor, admiral, or wench.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 7:49PM (Unverified) said

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I'm too busy fighting the ghost pirate LeChuck to abide by your silly laws of grammar.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2007 5:02AM (Unverified) said

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Nintendo should consider itself lucky for selling as much as they are with no games... it will only last as consumers decide to buy it, and as of now the only selling point of the wii is motion... I am not a fanboy, but I am a casual gamer, the only games i have ever played on wii are wii sports and recently wii play, every wii owner has the same games, wii sports and zelda it seems like, if nintendo lets their console sales lose track of their main focus (games), we could have a major issue

Posted: Sep 5th 2007 7:40PM (Unverified) said

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Heya, Ludwig. Where have you been recently? The blog posts were starting to become oppressively boring again. It's good to see a post once in a while that doesn't try to spin the topic hard.
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More on topic.
This little interview, while PR material by nature, never-the-less lessens my worries about the sudden influx of, for the lack of a better word, 'casual' games. (Not that I was all that worried in the first place...)

I personally like fact that he acknowledges that Nintendo shouldn't rest on their money-laden laurels and that traditional (ie. hardcores) gamers still are in Nintendo's plans (to take over the world!). Now if only Brawl could come out tomorrow...

Oh, and Shaggi, Gavin? Please kindly bugger off. (I miss Sheppy, at least he was -logically- angry.)

Posted: Sep 5th 2007 7:56PM (Unverified) said

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Nintendo, my Wii has a fine coat of dust on it... I got tired of the glowing blue disc opening, so I unplugged it. My freind wants to buy it from me but I keep holding on thinking you will make some "hardcore" games. -Please do not tell me mario, zelda or even metroid is hardcore. We want some mature themed games, not some games with mario or super slapped on the cover.

Nintendo, I want you to make a GTA type game... and no, not starring mario.

Posted: Sep 5th 2007 8:09PM (Unverified) said

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Maybe Nintendo thinks that mature doesn't necessarily equal blood/guts/swearing/sex? I think that a lot of people that are truly mature would agree.

I'm a fan GTA style games, but I think many true "grown ups" are not. I would say that the vast majority of folks that play "mature" games are well under the age the ESRB recommends.

Nintendo is going for a different demo, and based on the sales figures that was the right move. Like it or not, they are going to be the dominant player this round.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 8:46PM (Unverified) said

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Not only are there already two GTA-styled games out for the Wii right now, but they're both fairly good at that and utilize the motion controls well.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 10:23PM (Unverified) said

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Metroid IS hardcore.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 10:57PM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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Wow you're shallow. Honestly I don't see GTA and all those blood filled sex obsessed games as "Mature." Those types of games are for immature idiots who think a game can only be fun if it has pretty graphics and you can blow people heads off. Games like Legend of Zelda, Indigo Prophecy, and Kotor are example of mature games that don't need to have blood and gore and drop f bombs to be considered mature.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2007 7:23AM Dummy00001 said

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> We want some mature themed games

Cool. After all the whining "we want serious games", you have managed to finally properly coin the name: "mature themed games".

I were never really bothered by theming of games.

Mario games could have being good to me - if there were no jumping in them nor the lengthy unskippable Mario/Luigi/Peach pr0n inserts. Metroid could be interesting - is there were no so much f***ed up console backward heritage in it. Zelda could being enjoyable - if there were no so much boss battles. [ Also, basically all Nintendo prime franchises are very much reaction-speed based - "perfect timing is everything" (c) Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time - making them absolutely inapplicable/unplayable to my life situation where I have time to play (1) or when I commute (2) or late in night before going to sleep. ]

I do not mind theming. Because I personally get used to theming quite fast - and then just ignore it (if it doesn't stand in a way of game of course). That's way, no single Mario game held any value to me: after skipping all the usual Mario/Peach pr0n, you see that except for jumping there is no action in them (and that's if actually considering jumping an action).

Content of game is much much more important. Whatever theming is applied on top - doesn't matter.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2007 12:12PM (Unverified) said

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I think its funny how people seem have the opinion that Nintendo has to make a certain genre of game for the Wii for it to succeed. The truth is that was never the case in Nintendo's glory days(pre N64). True Nintendo had their great games but so did the 3rd parties.

So its incorrect to say Nintendo NEEDS to develope more mature games. Personally I want Nintendo to continue to make games for what ever genre they want because I know those will be great games.

"Please do not tell me mario, zelda or even metroid is hardcore. "

I partially agree with this statement they are what I call traditional games. But my response to that is, SO.

If anything you should be asking why are the 3rd party devs that make those "hardcore" games not bringing them to the Wii. If you want GTA yell at Rockstar to bring it to the Wii. The Godfather Wii version is a grat mature game that really shows how the motion controls can be used in a mature game.

I think that lack of 3rd party support in the N64 and GC gens has created this mindset that if Nintendo doesn't make it then it won't exist. While that may have been true then its also the reason why those systems didn't really suceed. We need to get away from this think put the pressure back onto the 3rd party devs the way it was back during SNES.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 8:15PM sand0789 said

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That is a good plan, but in corporate culture, it is very had to do what Iwata is proposing. People in a company just tend to get more arrogant and laid back when you are doing better. That is company wide, too, and not just CEO's and PR spokespeople.

Posted: Sep 5th 2007 11:12PM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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Yeah but Nintendo has been successful for years, and that hasn't stopped them from making great games.
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Posted: Sep 5th 2007 10:42PM BananaBoat said

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It's funny to see someone call you a fanboy, and then immediatly go on a fanboy rant that skips over technical details (you know, those small *Lol* details in a game like it's textures, geometry etc) and takes jabs at you for being a Halo fanboy (even though you mentioned a PS2 game that dual-released on the Gamecube, and an Xbox game, neither of which was Halo). Sometimes it's hard to tell if the people writing such verbal garbage are really honest to god fanboys, or if they are just trolls themselves. Trolling someone by calling them a troll is doing it wrong.

Posted: Sep 6th 2007 12:18AM (Unverified) said

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I'm just getting tired of crappy third party support for the Wii. Most of the games are PSP and PS2 ports with terrible controls and graphics. And Nintendo is just as guilty with it's Gamecube ports. With the system selling well despite that it's overprice, there's no pressure to release good quality games. As long as money is being made, everybody can half-ass it. I would think that the Wii is very capable doing last-gen better. But so far on most games, not even close. I just wish I had a Blockbuster close by so I can sample and choose without getting bit!

Posted: Sep 6th 2007 12:33AM (Unverified) said

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That money printer cracks me up every time....

I just can't stop laughing!!!

Posted: Sep 6th 2007 1:10AM (Unverified) said

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Halo is a good game but to me it looks like Turok The Dinosaur Hunter in hi-res. Whatever...
I bought a Wii because I believe that Nintendo provides me with the higest quality video game software bar none. I just get a weird fun/happy feeling
when I fire up a game like Mario Kart:D.D. or Metroid Prime 3. Not to open up a sore spot with the Xbox 360 crowd. Ireally enjoy how reliable Nintendo video game console's
have always been. Every Nintendo console I own (SNES, N64,GAME CUBE and WII) still fires up on demand.
Thanks guys I really appreciate it.
Just keep up the extremely
good first party stuff and I'll stick around literally until I die.
Sure you can call me a Nintendo fanboy but I prefer Nintendo Traditionalist.

Posted: Sep 6th 2007 1:27AM (Unverified) said

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I prefer to call myself a Nintendo fetishist.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2007 1:32AM samfish said

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All my Nintendo consoles still work, too. So do my Sega consoles. My PS1 died YEARS ago, though.
Even my NES and gray brick Gameboy still work!

Actually, my SNES was plugged in a few years ago when a lightning surge hit my place. The SNES was the only thing plugged into the surge protector that still worked. Everything else got fried.

People can hate on Nintendo all they want, but you just CAN'T deny that they make the most solid hardware.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2007 10:26AM vidguy said

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My consoles that still work: NES (barely, due to bad cartridges), SNES, Genesis, N64, Gamecube, Wii

My consoles that have broken at least once: Gameboy (due to extreme use), PS1, PS2, XBOX, XBOX 360
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Posted: Sep 6th 2007 5:21AM (Unverified) said

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This is a really encouraging message if youre a nintendo fan. Sure, talk is cheap, but anything that suggests we will recieve more top quality traditional titles (personally im happy with this description - much more accurate and less presupposing than 'hardcore') after the initial flurry keeps my hype and exitement for the wii up.

Posted: Sep 6th 2007 7:03AM Dummy00001 said

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I think that Nintendo has to share some of it with 3rd parties: sessions, workshops and more/better development tools.

And of course bribe-- motivate Id Software to port Doom3 to Wii.

Posted: Sep 6th 2007 12:34PM (Unverified) said

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FYI

Within the top 20 selling games for the SNES only 8 of them are Nintendo Franchises (3 of which were DKC). Capcom, Square, Midway, Enix and others make up the rest.

Within all the games that sold over a million (41 games) only 9 were Nintendo Franchises. Compare to GC where 20 out 23 million sellers were Nintendo franchises. What this says is Nintendo supporters need to get back to supporting 3rd parties.

I think Nintedo's change of focus is exactly what is needed. Let Nintendo grow the new causual market, and continue to support the traditional games they make but leave all this "hardcore" mess to all those other devs that supposedly make games for all platforms. If you really want more hardcore games support the ones that are being made and stop "blaming" Nintendo for not making them, they really don't have to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System

Posted: Sep 6th 2007 1:04PM mrmobius said

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If other parties can provide what I want, then I'll buy their games.

The truth is that last gen with the gamecube, Sega got an awful lot of love from me because for everything from F Zero GX to Super Monkey Ball, their games were fun and quality titles.
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Posted: Sep 6th 2007 12:50PM mrmobius said

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As a semi hardcore gamer I'm happy with the releases o Nintendo this Autumn, though it didn't have many,options during the suual slow Summer.

I've had a N64, Gamecube, Gameboy, DS Lite and a Wii, and all still are running.

Posted: Sep 6th 2007 2:04PM (Unverified) said

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Don't laugh too loud on the way to the bank, they will hear us... Silly americans, easily amused with a waggle. This year wii fit will sell millions, only to be surpassed by next year's wii shit (with toilet attachment). Couldn't resist. Bring on the flame.

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