The Orange Box delayed on PS3

Joystiq isn't bashing Sony, they're releasing news.

I'm going to give you a tip since we have the same name - trade the ps3 in and get a 360. if you like games, that is. It's coming to 360 too. Plus theres more than a handful of 'decent' games for it. (not to mention a few blockbusters by the years end).

but you know, that's only if you actually got the thing for, ahem, gaming.

Well, I actually have both. My 360 gets way more playtime than the PS3, but I do use the PS3 a lot more for media (videos, music, Blu-ray). Oh well, I'm still optimistic about the PS3's future. Only time will tell, I guess.

Or they don't care enough about that extra content to invest in upgrading their computers.

Eh, I enjoyed HL and HL2 and other maps/mods/releases for in on the PC, but I'm more stoked to have this on the 360 as I perfer console gaming. on my PC, I like playing casual games and the occasional Sims type of title. I think a lot of console gamers probably feel the same way about PC gaming. You might get a little more here and there in regards to user generated content and maps and such, but I just like the instant gratification of being able to pop the disc in and play. I don't have to worry if the graphics card I just bought six months ago will still be "good enough" or if the damn thing's going to be too much of a load on my processor.

I remember the good old days of PC gaming when the main requirement you needed was to have SVGA capabilities and a 486 DX chip and a soundblaster card. Now it's turned into this ridiculous soup up the whole system routine every year just so you can play the latest games without them sucking (Bioshock on PC is a goddamned nightmare compared to the 360 version and had I played it first, I would have wound up hating that game outright). If anything PC gaming is an elitist choice - and that's not a dig against PC gamers - if you can happily afford to keep everything running smoothly, more power to you.

I get what you guys are trying to say about not upgrading your PC's to play HL2 and all, but this is still the HL2 engine.

You don't need a killer PC rig to play it smoothly. If anything Valve has probably optimized the HL2 engine so more PC users can play it smoothly with many different specs.

And where did the idea of upgrading every year to play games comes from anyway?

I had one of my rig for over 6 years before I jumped onto the multicore band wagon.

But your right about how many people would rather have console and plug-in and play. I'm just jealous and a angry of what Xbox has done the the PC market in terms of FPS games. I seriously believe that Xbox has dumbed down FPS. I remember the good old days of Rainbow Six, when you get shot in the leg you would limp around. Now you can get shot 6 times, and all you have to do is stand behind a wall and wait 30 seconds and your good to go...

But I always have the RTS games so that's consolation.

OK, well perhaps souping up the whole system "every year" was an exaggeration on my part, BUT, I have certainly been in the situation where I'd buy a new graphics card - not the top of the line model, because I find dumping a few hundred bucks into a card is silly - but certainly a good one to play a game I really wanted, only to have another game come out a few months down the road and stating that the card I just bought that was just dandy for my other game was the "minimal required" for this newer title. That's the sort of frustration I'm talking about that I have experienced personally when playing new titles on the PC. I'm not saying all new games are guilty of this that come out in that format, but as I said Bioshock just limped along for me on the PC, and so I'm glad I got to enjoy the 360 version first as it's an amazing game and should be able to be enjoyed fully without being rendered gimpy because my graphics card is now not up to snuff for a title like that.

As I said, this is why I like console gaming more. I can pop the game in and enjoy it straightaway and not worry if my specs will be "good enough." If there's a patch, the 360 grabs it and play commences.