A British Board of Film Classification description page reveals some potential sexual prejudice in Mass Effect, although it's not the type you might expect. According to the description, players using a female character can initiate a sex scene "between her and male human or a female humanoid alien." Male characters, on the other hand, can only initiate sex "between him and a human woman or a humanoid female alien." If we're reading that right, it means the game allows for alien lesbian sex, but not any type of male-on-male sex. Furthermore, all non-alien sex has to be heterosexual.
The same-sex love issue is by now well-tread territory for BioWare -- most fans know by now that Juhani from Knights of the Old Republic is a lesbian and Jade Empire allowed same-sex romance for both genders. So why should it be different in Mass Effect? Does BioWare think that their audience will clamor for girl-on-alien-girl action while recoiling from man-on-man love? And why is lesbian sex only OK if it involves another species? Is this some sort of compromise to avoid a Bully-style controversy?
We'll have to wait until the final version of Mass Effect to see if the BBFC description is accurate, but as it stands now this odd double standard makes us wonder if the game will be a step forward or back for sexual politics.
[Via ProG, GayGamer]
Reader Comments (139)
Posted: Sep 18th 2007 9:14PM JonahFalcon said
How about this big freaky mudbug, Fry?
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1169/1404563986_2cc10da43e.jpg?v=0
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http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1169/1404563986_2cc10da43e.jpg?v=0
Posted: Sep 18th 2007 8:35PM aristokrat said
It seems kind of obvious to me, it's not that the man characters are gay or not, it's that the female humanoid alien just likes getting it on with everybody.
To quote Henry Rollins' standup: "It'd be great being bi. You could just walk into a room and go, 'Mmmmmm.'"
To quote Henry Rollins' standup: "It'd be great being bi. You could just walk into a room and go, 'Mmmmmm.'"
Posted: Sep 18th 2007 8:39PM (Unverified) said
/equip "Strap On + 1"
/use "Spanish Fly"
/search "bi-curious" "Asari" "female"
/invite
I have no idea if this game will have a command line but, if so, perhaps this is how you will play.... :)
Capt Kirk would be jealous...even he never had it this good back in the old Star Trek series....
/use "Spanish Fly"
/search "bi-curious" "Asari" "female"
/invite
I have no idea if this game will have a command line but, if so, perhaps this is how you will play.... :)
Capt Kirk would be jealous...even he never had it this good back in the old Star Trek series....
Posted: Sep 18th 2007 8:43PM (Unverified) said
As a gay man I'm disappointed by this, while I appreciate it may be story constraints rather than predjudices (though there was a fade to black with the male/male romance in Jade Empire iirc, shockingly) in a role playing game I'd like to be able to pursue a romance how I choose rather down merely hetero fantasy lines, where's my fantasy damnit :P
Posted: Sep 18th 2007 9:10PM JonahFalcon said
It doesn't smack of story constraints - just dialogue. Gotta understand, there's 200,000 lines of dialogue from what I understand - on one DVD-9 disc.
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Posted: Sep 19th 2007 7:24AM Korova Pamplona said
i agree - story, shmory. Someone came up with the story, its not gospel brought down from the mountain. Its chosen. Timid exploration of sexuality is what it is. Alien sex is just a mask for intercultural sex, in my box. Same sex, same gender, cross gender, trans gender those are different territories to explore.
I guess the writer didnt have the fortitude and just stuck to what 12 year olds think is hawt.
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I guess the writer didnt have the fortitude and just stuck to what 12 year olds think is hawt.
Posted: Sep 18th 2007 8:43PM (Unverified) said
"Would that small portion of women actually want to see two gay men fucking?"
Yes. Holy god yes. Fun fact: Shows like Queer as Folk are primarily aimed at women, not gay men.
Ladies like watching gay men fucking like you wouldn't believe.
Yes. Holy god yes. Fun fact: Shows like Queer as Folk are primarily aimed at women, not gay men.
Ladies like watching gay men fucking like you wouldn't believe.
Posted: Sep 18th 2007 8:51PM (Unverified) said
scissoring in mass effect nice....
Posted: Sep 18th 2007 8:55PM (Unverified) said
maybe there's only 1 male? can't have gay sex then...
Posted: Sep 18th 2007 9:11PM JonahFalcon said
I swear, if the female Shepard has a romance with "Joker", I'll throw up.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2007 9:05PM will18057 said
What? No guy on guy action? Darn!
Posted: Sep 18th 2007 9:10PM (Unverified) said
its natural for women to be attracted to other women. girl babies suck on titties just like little boy babies. hopefully no babies are sucking man boobs, or worse yet, cock.
Posted: Sep 19th 2007 2:35AM (Unverified) said
Wow. So if a boy is raised nursing from a bottle instead of being breastfed, is he more likely to be gay because he didn't have a breast to guide him to the light? What the hell are you talking about? Sexuality is not based on your mother... unless... hey, whatever floats your boat, Oedipus.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2007 9:43PM radicoon said
lol sex
Posted: Sep 18th 2007 10:07PM (Unverified) said
Uh oh, no gay sex in Mass Effect! *All the gay gamers buy PS3s*
No, but seriously, this isn't that bad. Depending on the circumstances, this could either simply be a case of artistic freedom, and the developer choosing what works best for the game, or blatant fanservice for young males. If it is the latter, I'll be very dissapointed in BioWare, but otherwise, they deserve to do what they want.
No, but seriously, this isn't that bad. Depending on the circumstances, this could either simply be a case of artistic freedom, and the developer choosing what works best for the game, or blatant fanservice for young males. If it is the latter, I'll be very dissapointed in BioWare, but otherwise, they deserve to do what they want.
Posted: Sep 18th 2007 10:24PM (Unverified) said
bioware continues to give me what I want
Posted: Sep 18th 2007 10:58PM (Unverified) said
ya im buying this game now
Posted: Sep 19th 2007 12:04AM (Unverified) said
If you want hot boy on boy action leave in the bedroom, I'm not to interested in having it in my games anyway. In jade empire it was no big deal because they didn't cram it down your throat... You had to explore that possibility before you could even tell he was gay.
Posted: Sep 19th 2007 1:10AM JonahFalcon said
You're not going any boy-on-girl or girl-on-girl action either. This isn't an AO game.
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Posted: Sep 19th 2007 12:44AM (Unverified) said
Hmm... Let's see. I'm hetero, so male on male= yuck, but female on female= hot. But that means I'll have to play as a female. Let's just hope that nobody has a smooth forehead.
Posted: Sep 19th 2007 1:12AM JonahFalcon said
You do know that there's male-female romance in the game, right?
PS. There's NO SEX. It's ROMANCE, not PORN.
I don't recall Troi bending over and begging for Worf and Riker to DP her.
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PS. There's NO SEX. It's ROMANCE, not PORN.
I don't recall Troi bending over and begging for Worf and Riker to DP her.
Posted: Sep 19th 2007 2:01AM aristokrat said
Seeing that just might have made Star Trek:DSN watchable for me.
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Posted: Sep 19th 2007 2:18AM (Unverified) said
Gives the phrase 'Deep Space Nine' a whole new meaning.
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Posted: Sep 19th 2007 1:05AM (Unverified) said
Dear diary: Jackpot
Giggity, giggity, giggity, giggity!
Giggity, giggity, giggity, giggity!
Posted: Sep 19th 2007 2:15AM (Unverified) said
i'm sure this is like in kotor, where there's a few conversation phrases that reveal the romance and that's it. no hot coffee or anything
Posted: Sep 19th 2007 10:25AM (Unverified) said
FYI
It does however say that there is "breast nudity"
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It does however say that there is "breast nudity"
Posted: Sep 19th 2007 4:21AM (Unverified) said
Didn't bother to read all the comments, but I REALLY hope that people won't make a shitstorm about this. Bioware doesn't have anything against homosexuals I'm sure, but a homosexual sex scene, in this age and day as sad as it is, is "too much" for a videogame like mass effect. I would even say it might affect its sales negatively. Purely business people, no need to get all hurt over this.
Posted: Sep 19th 2007 6:04AM (Unverified) said
So what you're saying is if someone's an asshole for business reasons, we shouldn't consider them real assholes, just greedy cowards, nor should we criticize the assholes who create the market demand for lesbian action but not man-on-man action? You seem to be encouraging a very passive method of social progress.
The whole premise of the Joystiq post seems to be that we're all Larry Craig douchebags if we let our double standard, hypocritical beliefs keep on flourishing, in games, politics, and so forth. I think we're all aware that Bioware can't make a game starring a fat, black, female, homosexual Muslim as a main character anytime soon and expect the game to sell well, no matter how well crafted the game's graphics, story and gameplay is.
But, at a certain point market demands need to take a backseat to what we think is morally right. A certain game that features Big Daddies tried to hammer this idea home, but I guess a lot of people didn't pay attention.
My personal take on this story (if true) is that since there are many more gay men than gay women in the world, it makes more sense to feature gay male relationships in a game than gay female relationships. A lesbian relationship for the primary reason of pleasing STRAIGHT MALES is practically turning the game into a porn game.
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The whole premise of the Joystiq post seems to be that we're all Larry Craig douchebags if we let our double standard, hypocritical beliefs keep on flourishing, in games, politics, and so forth. I think we're all aware that Bioware can't make a game starring a fat, black, female, homosexual Muslim as a main character anytime soon and expect the game to sell well, no matter how well crafted the game's graphics, story and gameplay is.
But, at a certain point market demands need to take a backseat to what we think is morally right. A certain game that features Big Daddies tried to hammer this idea home, but I guess a lot of people didn't pay attention.
My personal take on this story (if true) is that since there are many more gay men than gay women in the world, it makes more sense to feature gay male relationships in a game than gay female relationships. A lesbian relationship for the primary reason of pleasing STRAIGHT MALES is practically turning the game into a porn game.
Posted: Sep 19th 2007 7:34AM Korova Pamplona said
If they put their backs into it a fat, black, female, homosexual Muslim might be pretty cool. That's how art is made - by tastefully crossing the lines we are draw in our mind.
As some point video games will take this role from movies. But at this point the technical and economic barriers are too high for cutting edge artistic achievement in video games. There are just not enough gamers. But joystiq is working on it.
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As some point video games will take this role from movies. But at this point the technical and economic barriers are too high for cutting edge artistic achievement in video games. There are just not enough gamers. But joystiq is working on it.
Posted: Sep 19th 2007 8:52AM (Unverified) said
Why does the game have to be a platform for gay rights, maybe its just a game. It doesn't have to be either a "step forward or step back for sexual politics", I would have to imagine that the majority of gamers could give a rip as long as they get to do what they are really buying the game for...have a really great futuristic RPG experience.
Last time I checked real life sexual politics really isn't part of that equation.
Last time I checked real life sexual politics really isn't part of that equation.
Posted: Sep 19th 2007 9:32AM theBrayn said
Here's an idea, perhaps it was just a typo. The reason I find this plausible is because they didn't list that the female character could have any relationships with male humanoid aliens which strikes me as strange.
Posted: Sep 19th 2007 10:26AM (Unverified) said
Yeah I thought that too but the fact that the alien race consists of all "females" made it plausible.
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Posted: Sep 20th 2007 11:20AM (Unverified) said
It's an f-in game people. Cripes you lot need to get out and experience life a little.
Posted: Sep 20th 2007 2:41PM (Unverified) said
Why are videogames even being USED for a battleground for sexual politics. Who cares, they make what they want to, the makers of this game aren't responsible for social change.
Posted: Nov 11th 2007 12:19AM (Unverified) said
Dam! No man on man action. I was gona have it off with Garus.
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