Epic still not supporting Wii

I don't see how this has anything to do with him not liking the Wii. If the Wii would be profitable for the way they do business you bet your life they would be working with it hate it or not.

As many times as they keep asking him the same damn question.

Remember folks.. 90% of these quotes are because some intrepid interviewer pushed them to say SOMETHING about a certain platform/company.

Probably every time he gets asked.

my mistake, wasnt aware this was an interview (videos blocked at work)

Don't make ignorant comments. 360 is/has always done great with software sales for 3rd party's software. It has a large attach rate and moves software. I don't care if you like the 360 or not but it is moving 3rd party software at an amazing rate.

Nintendo on the other hand is doing what Nintendo does and moving a large amount of 1st party games. Just look at the recently released Madden games, the Wii Madden software was outsold by Xbox1 Madden. If the Wii can't even move the sure thing how can it move anything else. The only 3rd party Wii game to penetrate the top to was RE4 at #9 for June (A slow gaming month.)

360 on the other hand has at least two non 1st party games on the top ten month after month since near release. Epic isn't the only one making money off of 360 software. Eastern developers aren't having the easiest time but Western developers are cashing in on the cash cow that is software on the 360.

Precisely. But your logic is bit out of line.

Right now - at early stage of Wii life cycle - games tend to be ports. Most - if not all - depends on game engine to allow such porting in efficient manner, so that entry into market of new console would be low risk.

It is precisely Wii which requires advanced and sophisticated engine - because it has less resources compared to Xbox and PS3. And not only engine has to be better - artwork also has to be better, because on Wii one just can't throw more textures to make something look better.

Epic is openly after markets where people simply throw resources at problems. What is also fine - as line of business.

To be perfectly honest, I think that "engines" mattered in past - before OpenGL and DirectX took hold in the market. In the times of Doom/Quake/Duke - it really mattered because of performance constrains of GPU and CPU. Depending on engine you could or could not achieve particular effects. Now the resources and effects are abundant (and standardized) and most limiting resource is ... human resource. Engines now are more or less frameworks where you just fill blanks, thus allowing basically any idiot to write a game. What is good for business and what business is after.

Engines now are business buzzword - it's not about gaming anymore.

he was asked you know, it's not like the guy runs around looking for people to listen to him on how shitty he thinks the wii is.

The question stands (i wasn't aware whether this was a personal vendetta or some press fixation, now aware that its the latter) why do people keep asking him, then?

Wii bash = hits, i suppose

You just dont get it do you. look the Wii is great, honestly it is (I plan on getting one for MP3 thats the only game on the system i want), but Nintendo decided to go a different route, blah blah blah...look everyone will not like the Wii no matter how good the marketing or whatever.

It pisses me off when someone as accomplished as Mark Rein in the industry as him makes a comment positive toward the PS3 you guys wanna damn him to all eternal hell or just says that the Wii isnt for him and his crew.

Its not the end of the world if a developer does not like the Wii. Was it the end of the world when Shigeru Miyamoto said he could make Halo? As ridiculous a statement that was for him to make the world was still intact at the end of day. Everyone needs to stop the console bashing and just enjoy all the games. Period

To be fair: He's following what public perception of serious 3rd party wii titles is, and not looking at the fact that wii owners ARE starving for real titles, as shown by the strong sales of the mediocre Red Steel

Bam...that's it right there. First thing that popped in my mind...I guess you don't want to make more money.

Unreal 2.5 is already on the Wii. Red Steel was on UE2.5 and probably so was Splinter Cell.

yes, but it wasn't specifically tooled for the wii by epic. UE2.5 used in red steel was modified from UE2.5 for gamecube, which is one reason why red steel looks like so much ass.

If epic engineers sat down and retooled UE2.5 for wii (and call it UEWii), devs would be able to get alot more performance out of the hardware without the headache of figuring out motion controls and all that jazz.

Thats assuming epic engineers could make a decent UEWii engine

Too bad he doesn't know that a LOT of software surpasses our current hardware =/

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"3rd parties are not making money on the Wii"

Not true, see articles talking about how not only mini-game porters like Ubisoft, but more serious companies like Konami, Capcom, SEGA, and even EA are increasing profit projections because they're supporting the Wii

360's got the better attach rate, but Wii's making money for 3rd parties too

Exactly. Heaven forbid they show some integrity and no succumb to making another cartoony mini-game collection like every other 3rd party.

^^ the only reason Capcom made money was because they took a AAA GC game and added waggles.. no development costs plus existing fanbase. Sega is making money by partnering with MArio in that Olympics games.. EA is making money by porting like theyve done for the past 15 years. Konami is making money off wii? How?

"360's got the better attach rate, but Wii's making money for 3rd parties too"

Cannot compare a console that's been on the market for two years with two years worth of games to a console with the same amount of sales but only one year worth of games. Of-f***ing-course the 360 has a better attach rate. The only thing the lower attach rate on the Wii currently shows is that Nintendo is selling a f***-load of consoles. It's a misleading figure when you currently have the best-selling console ever....and it get's thrown around WAY TOOO MUCH around here.

No, Hardware sales is what's getting thrown around way tooo much. First of all, Sales figures get thrown around way too much anyway.. but the idea of that is that sales attract developer.
So I'm a developer, a 3rd party developer and I'm looking to make a game. So what am I going to look at. Wii... instal base on 11 million.. most of them in Japan. Who's the audience? You look at the games selling on the platform. First party games and mini-game collections. That's what the audience like. Wii is geared towards the casual crowd. How can i Maximize my investment? Either a) make a game that attracts to the primary audience.. or b) cut my costs and expect to sell to a lower, minority group. Now sure you have the "untapped" area of the Wii market, the "Hardcore" gamers. They are starved for games. Let's look at the games aimed toward them. Scarface? Madden? Nether of those games.. or many like them, make a dent in sales. Resident Evil 4? didn't crack the top 20.

Now look here at the Xbox 360. It too has sold 11 million consoles, mostly in North America. Who is the audience? Older males age 19-25. What are they buying? Guitar Hero 2, Madden, BioShock, Halo, Saint's row... So 3rd party action games sell. In this case I have a better chance of maximizing my investments by aiming at the Mass Market segment. I'm making software, more software is being sold on the 360.

But you know, if we are just using hardware numbers for a corporate shill/ dick waving contest.. you're right, Software attach rate shouldn't be compared.. because... well the Wii has an excuse or 2. Cause just because 11 million people own the consoles, that doesn't mean they should be buying the games! Cause.. Well, i don't know how that argument makes sense.

God, I wish for the days when we all just played video games and wern't arguing over the net about stupid shit like this. "Oh system a sells more" Why does it fucking matter? Are you that much of a sheep that you have to buy the console that is the most popular or else? Yeah Justin Timberlake sold the most CDs last month... don't forget to pick that up, as well as your SpiderMan 3 DVD, oh and don't forget to watch that new movie with The Rock in it, where he take care of kids.. It sold alot so it MUST be good! And make sure you guys only read this on Internet Explorer 6, seeing as 70% of the market uses it. It sold the most so it MUST be great.

Unless nintendo starts using the Unreal Engine.. how are they going to make any money? 3rd party game have zero chance of making it post launch (RE4 dont count since its a proven last gen port with zero development costs to add waggle).

Unreal 2? Doubt it. Graphically its more demanding than UT2004 as well.

UT1 barely ran on the PS2, so what makes you think a game with better graphics than UT2004 will run better on the Wii?

Unreal 2? Doubt it. Graphically its more demanding than UT2004 as well.

UT1 barely ran on the PS2, so what makes you think a game with better graphics than UT2004 will run better on the Wii?

because Wii > PS2?

But by how much?

I doubt the Wii is too much powerful than the Gamecube.

Because: even though wii is 2 GC duct taped together, its easily 4-6 PS2's hot glued together.

PS2 was not a powerhouse.

"But by how much?

I doubt the Wii is too much powerful than the Gamecube."

Actually it is EXACTLY 100% more powerful than a Gamecube. Maybe 105% if you count the increased cooling power offered by duct tape.

Wii is more powerful than the Cube and PS2. It COULD run Unreal 1 and 2 at 480p easy. Look at the system specs.

100% increase would put it well past XBOX territory .. nothing that has been released has shown that it is even capable of producing XBOX graphics.. hell, its struggle to keep PSP graphics at bay.

So now developers have to work on last gen tech and old code because nintendo decided to duck tape 2 cubes together. The Wii is for retirement homes and little kids, and of course nintendo fanboys that will keep playing until Mario 58 comes out and Zelda 102 gets out. When I look at the wii, it some times makes me feel embarrassed of being a gamer. It makes me feel like time has not passed by and we are still in 1990's.
I mean come on people?! ITs 2007 and you are still playing with a gay plumer in an overall suit. WTF.

Posts like yours cyro make me feel embarrassed of being a gamer.

I kid I kid, you seem like a swell, hardcore mountain dew kinda guy.

Yes, I still love playing the gay plumber in the overall suit. I'll probably still play him for many years to come. (Along with Microsoft and Sony console games and PC.)

What System specs? Nobody has posted the specs of the Wii yet..

But that being said, the Wii could easily run Unread 1 and 2, and UT1. UT1's running badly on the PS2 was mostly because it was a 1st gen game.. in fact, i think it was a launch window game too. Coders were having a problem getting used to the PS2's architecture.

But as stated above RED STEEL IS ON UE 2.5!!!!!! UNREAL 2 IS ALREADY ON WII!!!!!!!!!!

How many times does this need to be said. Epic already has UE2 For WII! UNREAL ENGINE 3 is not because it was CREATED for high-end shaders, and high-end physics... neither of which the Wii can do!... SOOOOO Devs are able to use the CHEAPER TO LICENCE and MUCH MORE ESTABLISHED UNREAL 2, and add in a 3rd party physics engine.

Metroid Prime 3 looks BETTER than Unreal Tournament 2004. The resolution may not be as high, but the lighting, effects, poly-count, and art-style of MP3 are superior to those of UT2k4. That's all that counts; that proves there's room for Epic's UE2 to grow on and be improved upon for the Wii.