Today in Joystiq: October 5, 2007

Hopefully they will find a nice place for the WTF AWARD in their SONY HOME Lounge area. This way other PS3 owners can go check it out and ask themselves WTF they were thinking when they bought the PS3.

ah ahAH! It's M*S*DF and we wear girly outfits. The NDf and SDF (mostly the NDF, those bastards) hoarded all the rings for themselves.
I'm Team Leader Nurse and RJS is Battle Angel. You can be French Maid, Cheer Leader or School Girl.

Why is Sony doing this you ask????? It simple, Sony knows that the games for the PS3 are not selling like they should. So what do you do to increase sales. You make the mew PS3 model cheaper and with backwards compatibility, thus forcing people to buy a true PS3.

Ok, not to go against the sheep-like following of Sony hatred, but... uh, remember something called the Xbox 360 Core? The one that is (or was) a hundred dollars cheaper? Anyone care to remember a feature it does not have?

"uh, remember something called the Xbox 360 Core? The one that is (or was) a hundred dollars cheaper? Anyone care to remember a feature it does not have?"

Yes, but you can purchase the hard drive later at your leisure. You can't upgrade the gimped PS3 to have backwards compatibility...

didnt the core 360 come with a memory card? could you store backwards compat data on it?

You know, I linked to SDF one day on Joystiq (to a mass replyspam), I fear I may have started this whole silly *DF - * Ring/Outfit business.

Anyone notice a number of comments deleted? So Joystiq, several posters called you out on your BS, and instead of CHANGING the story (as you have done many times b4) you just delete those posts.

"Even though it cost them practically nothing to upload written software that lets it work, Sony in its Great Benevolence decided to screw customers but tell them that it's for their own good."

Here Joystiq "reporters" I will explain it to you. You see, the PS2 had 2 chips. 1 was the EE or Emotion Engine, the other chip was the GS or Graphics Synthesizer. The 60GB SCEE PS3 and the 80GB SCEA PS3's HAD the GS. The EE was removed but NOT the GS.
But hey, facts...schmaks right Joystiq? I mean bashing Sony is so in vogue right now why let actual FACTS get in the way?

So many of you anti-Sony zealots repeat over and over that Sony lies, yet here at Joystiq the bloggers who right for this site LIE about Sony, our pointed out by many different comments that Joystiq is wrong and yet Joystiq does NOTHING about it.

I will never understand the HATE for Sony from this site. Sony is just 1 of many mega corporations that exist on this planet. NEWS PLASH LADIES they all have, and will continue to "lie" (translation change their minds) about certain product specifications.

The PSX became the PSONE, the PS2 became the PSTWO. Both of these previous Playstations underwent many different disign changes during thier production lifetimes. DID SONY LIE THEN?

The PSX had the I/O port and the RYW composite connector removed.

The PS2 had the PSX chip removed (for BC) and the firewire port removed.

Where were all of you crying babies then? Probably playing PS1 and PS2 games.

Uncharted is looking mighty fine. And please do not tell me that it is a Gears clone. Does Gears change up the animations every single time the character takes cover against a wall?

"Joystiq is wrong and yet Joystiq does NOTHING about it."

My bad. Joystiq DID do something about it. They deleted those comments.
"Truth? You want truth? You can't (Joystiq bloggers) handle the truth."

actually i think it was the other readers who voted the comments down to oblivion

to Killjebus:
you fail...

honestly, your completly uninformed and mindless zombie like rant makes me laugh. I picture you as a drooling little kid, spewing nonsence, eyes stuck in a dumbfound gaze...

Anyone else want a kick, click is name and it shows you all of his comments. It's quite entertaining.

You just described it as a piece of utter garbage...

Well, hey, I don't like the PS3 either, but its not horribly worthless. I mean, theres some things on it to look forward to, like Home and, um, some games?

You call not kicking your ass a rewarding experience? Feel rewarded that I didn't kick your ass for that comment.

I'm with you man.

Hey everyone, let's criticize Sony for making a PS3 and expecting you to play PS3 games on it!

If you want to play PS1/PS2 games on a PS3, then GET THE PREMIUM MODEL. It's as simple as that. A bunch of whiners, the lot of you are.

Got a PS3 huh? Hold on, let me call a waabulance!

Not really. The new price tag is something they lose a LOT of cash on by selling. The lack of backwards compatibility will deter the customer who wants the feature towards the more expensive 80GB version. But if they decide to buy the 40GB version, they're guaranteed to purchase $60 games (and not 5 dollar used ps2 ones at gamestop), which is where they make there money to recoup the loss of the low priced console.

LOL! That comment made my day! :)

THANK YOU!

I wonder if these so called joystiq writers actually read comments....they might learn a thing or two.

How much of the original XBOX hardware does the 360 have? Oh right, that would NONE! I guess emulating x86 on a custom PPC is SO much easier than MIPS on a PPC.

Stop make excuses for Sony.

Nice point, but I'd rather they had set better priorities since the beginning. Shave off that Blu-Ray and Cell instead of that retrocompatibility: playing PS2 games without ever having owned a PS2 was a selling point for me.

"Shave off that Blu-Ray and Cell instead of that retrocompatibility: playing PS2 games without ever having owned a PS2 was a selling point for me."

Hmmm so something without Blu-ray and Cell that plays PS2 games. Ever considered a PS2?

So it has no BC because it's shit? Yeah, you're really talking me into buying one buddy!

However, Joystiq should get their facts straight if this is true.

So the beast that is the PS3, regarded as being twice as powerful as God Himself, can't emulate the PS2 via software? The same machine that we're told is so powerful and complex, it's potential won't be fully realized for years?

There is a fairly decent PS2 emu available for the PC... it requires beefy hardware and the framerates aren't always ideal... but if we can get to that point from a team of a few hobbyist coders on PC hardware... shouldn't we be able to get something better from a group of professional Sony programmers utilizing the PS3?

Why can't the mighty PS3 emulate the PS2 completely through software. I mean, the 'less powerful' 360 can emulate the xbox, which was more powerful than the PS2. It should be peanuts for Sony to emulate the PS2.........unless they don't know what they're doing, which I think we've suspected all along. The 360s 42% backward compatibility is starting to look pretty good, compared to the 99%->65%->0% dive in BC the PS3 has been shafted with.

Really? It can't? At all? That's news to me. Do you think as far as programming goes there's a difference between hardware and software? Well, there isn't. Anything that can be done in hardware, can be done in software, and vice-versa. That's how emulators work. I should know, I write code for a living.

And in trying to shave prices, they permanently gimp their machine. Why didn't they take out the wifi? That isn't necessary. Why not made an even smaller hdd? You can swap them so size doesn't matter. Put the cheapest hdd you can find in there knowing peopel will replace it.

INstead sony chose to screw over the very people they want to buy their system-ps2 owners.

Exactly.

There IS an OPTION for the bigger PS3.

If you want backwards compat, get the 60/80GB version. If you're like me and does not care about any PS2 game anymore, then stuff it and get the 40GB.

thats like selling your harem to buy a cheap hooker.

Well, allow me to answer your question with another question. Don't you find it completely odd that an emulator on PSP cannot run Chrono Trigger at it's full speed?

Let's put it this way. A true emulation solution requires a hell of a lot more power than the originally emulated software and there is NEVER a blanket solution. The hardware solution runs majority of the stuff. The partial software emulation uses part of the hardware to handle the things the emu cannot. The total software solution needs to not only pretend it's a different thing entirely, but properly emulate those cycles at an appropriate speed. The software solution is best handled on a game per game basis ala ports and Xbox 360.

So how does this tie into Sony? Well, you see, Sony shot themselves in the foot last gen. Rather than license a GPU from another party like Gamecube and Xbox, Sony engineered their own. So unlike Gamecube and Xbox, PS2 had very specific graphic calls to the GS that are not found in later hardware... aka, RSX. So in other words, the Sony solution was using the GS to handle the GS calls. Without the GS and it's very specific details, all of their emu code will essentially be broken. So then they have a choice.

Do they offer a software solution that doesn't work and will likely damage hardware or do they just say "it's gone for the time being?"

Now the reason why I say for the time being is simple. According to SCEE, no further efforts for BC are currently being made, despite PSX code compatibility. However, this is Sony Europe. Thier fingers couldn't be further from the pulse of Sony if they were working for Nintendo. Their job is to smile pretty and play the hypemen. Meanwhile, if there is currently no software solution, who's to say one isn't being worked on right now? They have added features they said the system wouldn't do in the past. Enough consumer demand would force a software solution, if one isn't already in the works.

So I am not making excuses for Sony since I don't know what they are planning in the long term. Keep in mind, according to SCEA, this system still doesn't exist. UPC is registered, FCC filed, but it's still not happening. And until SCEA opens that pandora box, we don't know WHAT's going on.

Of more concern to me, however, is Rock Band. With only two USB ports, we already know the Guitar has a dongle. Is this a universal dongle, aka all the the instruments, and if not, this could put the potential kibosh on PS3 Rock Band without the additional purchase of a HUB. But then again, 360 only has 3 USB ports so such issues would have already been solved on that hardware.

Blah Blah Blah, I'm a fanboy. Shut up. Sony got the (W)ell (T)hat's (F)unny award for a reason.

Personally it's not a huge deal for me, if I bought one, it would (hopefully) be for PS3 games. Although, I don't have a PS2... anymore... Disk Read Error... Well That's Funny...

I thought the PS3 was a powerhouse with its 6-8 processors running at 3.2ghz and its amazing 256 MB of ram !

Wait, why would you only have 256 MB of ram for 6-8 processors?

Anyway, Yes a powerhouse system that can't emulate something that is 300mhz, 32mb ram machine?

Message is the problem. Sony cant put out a clear consistent message about PS3 to save its life.

If gamers who pay more attention than anyone cant make sense of what sony is doing, there is a problem. Hence the WTF award!

The arguments on joystiq are not the usual whining - there is clear confusion and the discussion has no anchors. That means Sony has failed to give gamers things they can agree on. Bad brand management this is!

This is right on. Every time they come out with an exciting announcement, it's tempered with some total buzz-kill. The complete lack of innovation in the new DualShock is another example. They hand us a piece of candy with one hand, and then stab us in the eye with the other hand.

I *want* to buy a PS3, but it's like they won't let me.