Today in Joystiq: October 5, 2007

i'm very seriously saying this, i missed totally on last gen and one of the main reasons i bought a wii was because i could play to gamecube games. One of the big reasons to get a ps3 would be getting to play all the ps2 games i also missed, but with news like this i'm seriously not thinking of buying one, even for a minute. I was planning on MAYBE buying a ps3 when it reached a price of around $350, if it had any good games for it and depending on how blu ray is doing on the market, but now... i just don't see myself buying one, really, why would i? when the ps3 reaches a pricepoint of 350 dollars the 360 should be like at $250 or something and, this is whats funny, it'll have better BC than PS3, so i could at least play to the old xbox games i also missed. Sony just HATES my money, it does!

Anybody who has a "SDF, MSDF, NDF..Blah, Blah, Blah" Is cleary not over the age of 21. B/c no grown as man would be saying all that uneducated nonsense ya are spewing. People feel they got screw, how? Did SONY come to your house and bitch slap your mom over the kitchen table, while they swap your PS3 for non BC one? No. So folks relax, or better yet "kids" The thing that I find rather interesting about most of the people here is that they wanted a price cut so their parents could buy it for them, but they complain about the quality of the games. Why you want console that has(supposedly)no games? No matter the price of the console, I'm not buying it if it has no games.

you are shooting the messenger dOOd.

Sony has fucked up so many times, they got no credits left.

MS and Ninty do so many things right that when they do fuck up, 'stiq says "yeah, you f'd it up but you are still aight on balance"

Congrats on the WTF Award Sony, Your doing an Excellent job. I'm sure before it's all said & done you'll have quite a few of these (WTF Awards) Laying around!!!

yeah, i once blew a gasket like that too.

but then i cooled down, thought about it, and came back to joystiq cause its un

its a masochistic exercise of sorts

correction:

i mean "fun" not "un"

dont you need a hard drive or memory card to play backwards compatible on the 360?

Honestly, how many PS1 games did I play on my PS2...none. The new PS2 is so tiny, that it wouldn't kill me to keep it hooked up next to my PS3. Also, if BC was such a big deal to me, I would pay for the 80 GB version and be done with it. If the only real functionality they removed was the BC, a couple of USB ports and a memory card reader, then I'll take the lower price.

first of all if i am getting a ps3 it would be so i can play games for playstation 3..not for ps2. Yes backward compatability is somewhat important, but it isnt so much an issue when there are 120 million playstaion 2s out there. the 360 also had support for their xbox back catalog but they do not even update that anymore.

Also, Joystiq you make it seem like the 40gb is the only SKU available. There is still the 60/80gb...both which offer backward compatability. Everyone complains about the ps3 price and they finally do something about it and you still complain. They have to takeout somethings to implement the cost.

Also people who constantly say the ps3 doesn't have game really needs to re-examine that. Warhawk and Heavenly sword, Virtua figher are great games. Games coming out within the next 2 months..Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted.

They are getting rockband, guitar hero 3. Oblivion was heralded on the 360 and it the ps3 has a better version with improved graphics.

They also offer geat ps3 to psp connectivity, even allowing you toplay ps1 games on your portable. What other system lets you do that?

so lay off of sony. Everyone wanted a price cut you got one. If you dont like it and BC is so important to you then get the 60 or 80.

Okay. I'm a self-professed Sony fanboy. I love both my PS3 as well as my 360 (which is currently being repaired due to RRoD...but I still love the damn thing)

BUT WTF SONY. GAWWWWWRSH. I'm proud to be an American (no chance for 40GB PS3 with no backward compatability here...yet...)

From the 'article'...

"Even though it cost them practically nothing to upload written software that lets it work..."

So, you know that for sure then? That all it will take is the right cost-effective software to get PS2 BC happening on the 40gb PS3?

Well in that case it will happen at some point, right? So 'WTF' is everyone worried about?

" i missed totally on last gen and one of the main reasons i bought a wii was because i could play to gamecube games. One of the big reasons to get a ps3 would be getting to play all the ps2 games i also missed"

I love it! :D

You were so fired up by last gen' that you didn't get involved. All those cool games, affordable hardware and you held out for the next gen'. Yes, it's only now, using the new machines (the old ones still in existence and cheap as chips -- either new or 2nd hand) that you want to get involved, using (here's the kicker) next gen' hardware. I'm skipping PS3 btw, for the PS4 -- but to play PS3 games. ;)

But anyway, we believe you. Internet posturing is just so...hypothetical :) Sony must be rueing the day that they lost your money!

Actually this article got it wrong. The new 40 GB DOES have software backward compatibility. But only for PS1 games. Which makes it an even bigger WTF!!

They must really like testing the "We could sell 5 million without any software" theory.

Have they sold 5 million yet?

Is anyone really going to care, honestly. One you play next gen games on a HDTV last gen games look so crappy in comparison that you don't even want to play them anymore. The only PS1 game I put in my PS2 was Wipeout XL. The only games the majority of 360 owners cared about BC for was Halo and Halo 2, maybe a few people for Fable and KOTOR. Even with full hardware BC on the 60GB PS3 almost all of the PS2 games look better on a dedicated PS2.

If you missed out on Shadow, Okami, Kingdom Hearts II, God of War I & II, Metal Gear, and the other gems of the PS2 era then you were obviuosly not doing yourself a favor in picking up a system that played the games you wanted. If you decide to go bargain bin shopping then get a used PS2 slim and don't get a PS3 since you obviously aren't a Sony fan and probably have a 360.

Anytime I see posts saying the PS3 has no games I think of the paid Microsoft attack bloggers that swarm Joystiq and other sites posting trash. Hey I'd post trash if someone would pay me to do it, why not. However in this case there is no merit to them. The PS3 has a quality lineup of games, much more so than the 360 a year out. Right now sitting on my shelf are Armored Core 4, Tiger Woods, Resistance, Motorstorm, Dirt, Rainbow 6, and Warhawk is downloaded. There are quite a few games I still want to purchase that are on the shelf right now. I have more games than I can play since I actually work for a living. BluRay looks absolutely fantastic on my 42" 1080p TV as well and it was an added bonus.

My Wii on the otherhand is being neglected. If you want to talk about no games, that is the system. I have Twilight Princess and will get Metroid Prime 3. If the Wii didn't have the VC it would be a dead system for gamers. The Wii software library is pitiful but the VC is great. None of that matters since the Wii is selling in greater numbers to retirement homes and peopel over the age of 40 who bought it to play WiiSports, Brain Age, and will buy WiiFit. When traditional games fail to sell even 500,000 copies on a system with the largest installed base in the world there won't be much incentive to make them. The Wii will have less traditional games than the Gamecube.

The 360 has been such a garbage pit of PR nightmares that it would be dead and buried had it not been for the year head start and Sony's PR fumbles. We still don't have a clear answer to whether or not all of the returned 360's are being counted in the sales total. Which is why Microsoft still hasn't met the original sales targets they initially posted for March of this year. If I want to play nearly every game in the 360 library I can either play them on a PS3 or the PC. Halo 3 will be on the PC eventually and right now I can play Lost Planet, Gears of War, Bioshock, along with many others. At least the majority of PS3 games aren't available on the PC that gives a superior playing experience.

wow Joystiq, I come to this site practically every to get me updated and me having owning all three (ps360ii), I would never had expected this shit from you guys...what a post...isn't this site supposed to be neutral?? like if it was on 360fanboy then ok but on joystiq..shit guys..

I think this comes down to marketing. 40gb model wshould be put side by side with the 60gb model, with huge banner informing of the lower price and lack of ps2 BC. Average consumer -might- buy the 40gb model if he/she all ready have a ps2.

If the differences of the models aren't explained thoroughly, people will just get pissed and possibly return it.

That said I think Sony should have cut the wi-fi which most like would have cut the costs as much.

Warhawk and Heavenly Sword...just two games. Give me a whole line up here.

Backwards Compatiblity is important to me...as I still play some of my Xbox favorites on the X360. What sony did here was tell their customers that their classic PS1 and 2 games are worthless, and move on or you can kiss their ass. And since I own some of those classics, Sony just gave me another reason to wait another year til I purchase their god-almighty bluray player.

My X360 only had one RROD, but it only lasted a few seconds! I must be lucky or something. Although...it still needs repair for that disc tray iusse.

And you all wonder why Nintendo is swimming in cash right now? Maybe it's becuase the Wii doesn't have hardware failures and Nintendo keeps their promises, unlike the other two.

Sony wasn't using 100% software emulation. They only REMOVED the EE chip, not the GS graphics chip. The 40GB loses that which is why its not compatible at all.

Sony didn't manage to screw this up. It's just you guys who crucify Sony for whatever they do.

You guys are just running a soap opera here.....it's really pathetic.

does backwards compatibility for ps2 require 40 more gigs of hard drive space?

i'm just curious

What I don't understand is why Sony just doesn't explain why BC isn't included...how hard is it to say "not including a $27 chip helps defray costs in this new model"? Then again, I guess they know that there will be a small period of time for fanboy ranting and then this will all die down...not like consumers will be heartbroken considering this is concerning compatibility with a system that has sold nearly 100 million consoles....

Either way, I think Sony's bad PR management is causing more ire then the actual BC missing. I'm amazed at how many gaffes have been made throughout the PS3's early launch period (from the missed launch dates, barebone launch library, outrageous pricing, BC issues)...it is as if they are trying to squander all the momentum gained from the PSX & PS2.

Ladies and gentlemen, Joystiq presents.....dissapearing posts!!! A post with 3 full hearts magically dissapears just as predicted. Truth hurt to much Joystiq? Or did Bill pull out long enough to tell you to delete any post that would dare suggest shoddy reporting and outright lies.

On that note, I say to any Cub fan out there....GO OTHER TEAM!!!!

I love ps2 games why I can`t play it in a Ps3.
And what about people who never get a PS2 and get Ps3 for play games? ah () there most be people=

"Can't you see what Sony's doing? They're rewarding early adopters."

I disagree. Sony announced certain features and price points, then removed those features while keeping the same price point. It's a classic bait and switch.

I don't think they intended for this to happen, as they seemed shocked that nobody could afford or is willing to pay for such an expensive system (Hello...PSX!), so they did the next natural thing. They started cutting features to make it more affordable. At this point though, the savings are NOT being passed on to the consumer, as the cost benefit is in manufacturing and is benefiting Sony.

So Sony is not rewarding anyone anything. They've saving their own @$$.

Actually I just thought of two more points I'd like to make...

Didn't Sony make firmware updates to improve backward compatibility? I'm fairly certain there was an upgrade to improve video with upscaling PS2 games.

What was the WHOLE point of that? Those firmware updates are now useless in the new systems. That alone could be cause for a claim against Sony.

And now that backwards compatibility is gone, Sony can resell older (but modified) PS2 games on their PSN network to PS3 users, since you can no longer read the older discs, but may want to revisit those games anyway. I'm not sure if that's Sonys intent, but it's certainly a possibility.

actually x is one of the least used letters in the dictionary, perhaps you should peruse through one sometime

Joystiq, WTF?

Sure, Sony may deserve this award, but would you fucking stop saying the new model isn't BS "at all"? I pointed this out in the original article about this model and you do it here yet again. This model plays PS1 games, so saying it's not BC "at all" is nothing less than dishonest. You deserve your own WTF award.

its amazing how many people think graphics are the only reason to play a game, i hope these people are in the minority otherwise the future of gaming looks bleak