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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:04PM (Unverified) said

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first post!

Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:07PM Neebs said

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F-F-F-F-FAIL.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:10PM Fernando Rocker said

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First? @_@
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 6:26PM PoisonedAl said

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Even if you did get the first post, you'd still be a loser!
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:04PM horngreen said

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I've wondered if this version would state in big letters "NOT BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE WITH PS2 GAMES". Seems doubtful but I would think many of it potential buyers this Xmas would simply assume it was included. They will be in for a rude awakening. It would suck to get one and feel that the 65 not so great games they have are not enough to please, drop in a PS2 game from your library and get the not compatible screen. Might get some folks as upset as the 360s RROD.

Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:24PM (Unverified) said

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You're right I also doubt the box will be clearly marked and you can add to that misinformation from the reseller on down. This should prove for some very interesting complaints in the coming months
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:43PM (Unverified) said

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The cheapest version of the PS3 is not backwards compatible? Gee, that sounds familiar. Oh, right. If you buy the cheapest 360 you need an additional $100 for the HDD in order to play Xbox 1 games. How easily we forget, fanboys.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 4:01PM (Unverified) said

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But MS didn't go on about how great they are for offering backwards compatibility. From the off we knew that BC was going to be minimal on the 360. What did Sony do? Lambaste Microsoft for not respecting their customers and then a year later do EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

Reminds me of that time when they said multiple SKUs was a bad idea...
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 4:20PM (Unverified) said

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I think most people would take $100 off and no RRoD issues than BC... how many times do you want to return you box to Texas... use the $100 to buy a PStwo!

And, Joysyiq is wrong about the PS2 emulation being entirely software driven.. even in the 80gb unit, it has the graphics chip in there as well as other controlling chips.. way to get your facts wrong Joystiq.. you deserve a WTF award.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 4:31PM (Unverified) said

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Yow phattie I think you should chill the f*ck out and accept that your 600$ ps3 was a big waste of money. Maybe than you would realize that you are the one that needs to get his facts straight about the emulation.

You deserve a tard award!
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 4:35PM (Unverified) said

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Dont you have an RRoD xbox to ship back to M$?
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 4:49PM (Unverified) said

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You sony fanboys really need to learn how to read.

"There has also been discussion about choice. For this, we want to remind the readers that the 40GB is currently only coming out in Europe, where their only other option is the soon-to-be-dropped (reaffirmed in a line from their recent press release) 60GB version. The 80GB model is not coming to PAL territories."

What's so hard to understand?

1 There never will be a 80GB model in europe
2 the 60GB model is about to be replaced by the crappy model

Sony is f*cking europe with this move
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 4:55PM FrankTheCrank said

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I've got to say....a big fahking
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

It's too expensive! Who needs bluray? No upscaling DVD's! No rumble!

Now they have dropped the price. Bluray is about to win the HD optical disc format. It now upscales DVD's beautifully. And rumble is coming back. They drop BC and now the XBOTS are all of a sudden woken from their haloz dream.

Everybody and their brother has a friggin PS2. Calm down, I'm sure you'll still be able to play your old games if you really cared so much.

Who buys a new system to play their old games? If that's your number one selling point...you really shouldn't buy a new system.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 4:59PM (Unverified) said

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And, how do you know that 80gb is not coming to Europe? Maybe not today... in the same press release. What about next week? Next month?

Do you even live in Europe or are you just crying because you cant play halo3 since your xbox bricked?
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 5:05PM WhatIsThatThing said

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phattie: Don't you have a PS3 to play? Oh wait, you can't. There's no good games on it. Why don't you watch your blue rays or do some protein folding or something instead of pointing your finger at other people because they chose a better console than you did?
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 5:34PM (Unverified) said

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"Dont you have an RRoD xbox to ship back to M$?"


Running low on ammunition phattie?

Even though in most areas could return it for FREE, and get a new one FOR FREE , with only an annoying waiting time. So, unlike sony, they actually try to fix mistakes. "HEY FANS, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE NEW RUMBLE CONTROLLER"

Now this?

"And, how do you know that 80gb is not coming to Europe?

Do you!?!?

"Joysyiq is wrong about the PS2 emulation being entirely software driven"

Can you prove otherwise?

I will say, the RROD, if someone was to scale it between 1 to 5 in crapfulness. It would probably get a 3.

While paying for a new rumble controller would maybe get an area of 2.
Then lieing about it, that gets more something.
However, mixed with this now?

I'm just glad that getting my PS3 early had its benefits for once.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 5:42PM hey buddy said

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It still runs Folding @ Home so what's the big ish?
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 5:54PM (Unverified) said

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Indeed, that is a very good thing, the foding@home is.

However, leaving your ps3 on overnight with 150–200watts isn't really that good if you worry about your electric bills.

Also, people have to remember to turn that on too. Which would probably mean most people would forget to do so.

Also, you can run folding@home on your pc.
http://folding.stanford.edu/
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 6:58PM (Unverified) said

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PS3 is too weak to emulate PS2?!
Even Xbox can emulate most Xbox titles, and Xbox is much stronger than PS2.

Even more proof that PS3 is WEAK. (as seen most games for PS3 have framerate problems (even exclusive titles like Lair and Heavenly Sword!) - RSX - graphics processor is WEAK)
And even Cell is not as powerfull as hyped by Sony!
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 7:00PM (Unverified) said

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*Even Xbox 360 can emulate most Xbox titles, and Xbox is much stronger than PS2.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 7:17PM cc123 said

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@Anonim

Your little comedy act about how weak the ps3 is doesn't work anymore. Why don't you go and figure out why Halo 3 didn't even hit HD resolution and STILL had a few framerate hiccups lol

You would think such a powerful beast of a console as the 360 would have the most important game of its entire lifespan run at 720p...guess not...

But I guess a few extra fps on those Ubisoft and EA ports are what really matter...huh? ha
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 8:26PM (Unverified) said

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Halo 3 doesn't have framerate problems - I finished it without any hicups.

Unlike Heavenly Sword (v-synch mostly, serious slowdowns only with many characters on screen) and especially Lair
And of course nearly all multiplatform games with Madden included (less than 30fps - pathetic!):

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=78963
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=75856
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=74502
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 8:39PM cc123 said

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"Halo 3 doesn't have framerate problems - I finished it without any hicups."

Riiiiiiiiight...

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/821/821911p5.html

"the occasional moments when the framerate jitters or there's some minor texture pop in"

"Despite a few moments of slowdown"

At 640p!! That's a whole 20% less pixels than 720p and they still couldn't get it! With no AA, now that's pathetic!!

You keep on fighting the good fight Anonim. =)


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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 8:53PM (Unverified) said

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If they put out Halo3 t 720p, it would have guaranteed 3 million RRoD units on the first day of release.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:06PM (Unverified) said

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Ummm...

According to Wikipedia's entry (I know everybody edits this crap so it could unreliable), only the Emotion Engine were removed from the European versions. The PS2 graphics chips were still in the the Euro PS3 just not the CPU. The CPU was software emulated. Wikipedia's source for that information is GameIndustry.biz/Eurogamer, which are pretty reliable. The new Euro PS3s removed both of the PS2 CPU and GPU.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26520

Posted: Oct 6th 2007 8:08PM (Unverified) said

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so, what? that would mean only the EE chip would have to be readded to the 40gb model, in which case the cost would be even less than $27 (my guess would be, what -- half as much?). what's the big deal Sony?


also, i think tihs post further illustrates that joystiq is NOT rabidly anti-sony. um, they just mentioned how many of the PS1 and PS2 games are the best that gaming has to offer.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:05PM (Unverified) said

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Joystiq, you have no need to explain yourselves on an issue that is obvious to begin with. The only contrary arguments you will find in favor of Sony come from rabid fanboys devoid of any intelligent discourse to begin with.

Sony recently has had a consistent and transparant track record of repeated lying, smearing and antagonism of their consumers. This is hardly any different.

This topic is only unclear to those attempting to validate their $500-$600 purchase. Stop feeding into rabid fanboyism claims.

Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:15PM copa said

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Agreed. Sony has slammed Microsoft for having less than 100% backward-compatibility, using rumble technology in their controllers, and for using a multi-SKU distribution model.

That is, before they dropped backward compatibility, hacked in rumble midway through their console lifecycle, and ran a shell game of bait-and-switch SKUs and clearance sales.

Microsoft screwed up on the whole RROD thing, and Nintendo... well, Nintendo hasn't done a whole lot wrong. But Sony has such an established pattern of lying and incompetence over the last two years, that there are a lot of us who have just tuned them out completely.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:31PM Mr Khan said

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Nintendo's pulled their share of crap, just haven't been called out on it

Why no DVD compatibility, why Friend Codes (ok they've been called out on this one, early and often)

Nintendo's just living in PR heaven right now, everything they touch turns to gold (and recall i'm a Nintendo fan, others would say less generous things)

But this strikes me as the same kind of senselessness as Friend Codes, there literally is no logical explanation, whatever line of thought you follow
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:34PM (Unverified) said

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Actually, they are milking the debate quite a bit, and they still refuse to check their factual accuracy. In the case of Ross Miller who continues to drag this point across in this quote.

"Though some people have cite the Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer, both of those pieces of hardware were removed from the PAL design in late February 2007 and cost an estimated $27."

Europes 60GB does, in fact, have the Graphics Synthesizer. Like the 80GB model or the revision models released in Korea. Sony pulled the combo chip, but the GS remains. And according to several programmers I know, most of the SE coding calls for specific handling from the GS. So this software solution they claim exists in fact doesn't. Is it something they could add? Certainly. Is it something that would be ready day one? Well, no. I mean, 23% of the game library is effected negatively when it has the GS. Imagine that number without the crutch.

Plus, as I said it before, this is Sony Europe. You may as well be talking to Dennis Dyack about PS3 plans. They know shit and it shows.

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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:53PM natiahs said

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OK, I'll try to offer an intelligent reason to nix BC:

Software emulation carries with it its own inherent problems; namely, that the number of successfully emulated games is not 100%. As of version 1.6, the number of fully supported games was about 35% (since Joystiq like dredging up old quotes so much, take a look at their negative report of PS3's software emulation here: http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/20/breaking-down-the-euro-ps3s-backward-compatiblity/). That means that people have to be continually assigned to working on improving BC to improve that number. But no matter how good it gets, you'll still have customers with PS2 games that don't work. That generates customer frustration, service calls, and other drains on resources that could and probably really should be put to better use.

Sony got dinged big time for making their system too expensive. They're pulling things that add to the price. Removing hardware BC saves them money on manufacturing; removing software BC saves them money on support and development. It doesn't matter what an executive said two years ago; it matters that customers want PS3 to be cheaper and Sony is reponding to the demand.

But like this story points out, if BC is important to you then you should buy a 60GB now before it disappears.

JET
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 4:34PM (Unverified) said

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i think i'll just keep the ps2 and skip ps3

maybe backwards compat will be back in for the ps4? lol
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Posted: Oct 7th 2007 5:47AM (Unverified) said

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lol it's rather the fanboys of MS that dominate this site both news writers and commenters. These nonsensical and hypocritical newsposts are just an example.

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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:06PM (Unverified) said

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As far as I know, there were 2 chips (EE and GS) being used for backwards compatibility in the original models. The European version had one of the chips taken out (still has the GS chip), and the other chip (Emotion Engine) was emulated through software. This became the case with the 80GB version in the US. This new 40GB PS3 apparently has both chips taken out, thus requiring Sony to emulate the GS chip as well. So I guess they could add backwards compatibility if they did that, but assuming that they won't add backwards compatibility because they are just assholes is wrong.

Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:06PM Fernando Rocker said

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Ahh, what a delicious flamebait =)

Posted: Oct 6th 2007 10:30PM (Unverified) said

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I'm giving you a + for realizing it was flamebait and not being a troll.
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Posted: Oct 7th 2007 3:02AM (Unverified) said

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So I guess the Nintendo Wii is King of the Konsoles since it can emulate/play Nintendo NES through Gamecube games AND it's competition's own games too (SEGA/Hudson) ;)

I guess the 360 is close but you have to admit, what the Nintendo managed to achieve with emulation/bc is pretty darn awesome as compared to the other consoles.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:07PM (Unverified) said

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my question is, will sony continue to update and support the software based emulation on the previously released machines now that they are phasing it out of newer models? This would logically seem to be the only place that the software emulation (which is already developed and deployed) could continue to cost the company money and thereby allow them to bring the price down. If this is the case, I suspect some extremely unhappy sony customers in the near future.

Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:16PM copa said

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"Will sony continue to update and support the software based emulation on the previously released machines now that they are phasing it out of newer models?"

Come on. Seriously, what do you think?
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 4:57PM (Unverified) said

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I think it all makes sense now that you look at the big picture...start with europe and cut ps2 support so they can focus on other regions and cut it as well...like most sony fanboys say.."just buy a ps2" or "just buy the 80 gig" which means dont focus on what we take out..focus on buying more sony products and the first ps3's no one would buy in the first place. again...people who call this bitching are people who allready own ps3's now we await what happens in North America.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:07PM Madmartigan said

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Here's a much easier explanation s to why it's upsetting:

Because gamers want it and it sucks that they took it away.

Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:07PM (Unverified) said

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Sony really shot themselves in the foot with this. If sony never includes backwards compatability in the ps3 in the first place, they'd be fine, or if the ps3 was more successful no one would care. In the first year of release, ppl wanted backwards compatability updates, but over the last year no one has really cared anymore since there are so many great 360 games. The ps3, however, does not have the software library to back themselves up, so they absolutely NEED ps2 compatability to survive. They say they have 65 games, and no gamer would consider that enough. Take out the outdated sports games, and you're probably down to around 50, and take out the ones that got awful reviews and you're probably down to about 30. Can 30 decent to good games carry a system? Hell no. Can hundreds of good ps2 games help it, absolutely. Sony claims in another quote that they dropped the price because they listened to their customers. I don't think ANY ps3 customer or future ps3 customer would want bc removed.

Posted: Oct 6th 2007 4:41PM Ninbrendo said

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Sony ran out of feet to shoot long ago. I think they must be up to their nose by now.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:10PM SuMtOnE said

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www.N4G.com

This is to dispel some confusion among potential consumers mind. Although the 40 gig PS3 isnt backwards compatible with ps2 games (AT THE MOMENT) it can fully emulate all PS1 games.

However look forward to firmwire updates which would make software emulation of PS2 games possible on PS3.

This is what BIZ DAILY is reporting :-

"GameDaily BIZ also contacted SCEE spokesman Nick Sharples who told us, "We have made clear on many occasions that our priority is on developing innovative new features and services for PS3 and not on backwards compatibility. The 40GB model no longer contains any elements of the PS2 chip set which powered backwards compatibility in previous models, and is therefore only compatible with PS one titles."

Posted: Oct 6th 2007 4:23PM masterinsan0 said

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So Sony Europe and Sony Japan and Sony USA all have different priorities? That's a great way to run things.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 4:35PM (Unverified) said

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that's the sony way
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 8:56PM mccrearym said

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Please don't quote anything from N4G.com...I'm a fan of all consoles, but that site is such shite. For some odd reason, it's completely overrun with fanboys (predominately Sony fanboys) and people just submit whatever crap opinion they can find on the internet (despite the validity of the claims) that supports whatever system they have. It hurts my eyes trying to read the comments there; which subsequently causes thousands of my brain cells to die when I try to understand their "logic". It's awesome in concept, but downright awful in practice. Can anyone tell me why it's such a horrible fanboy-driven site?
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:13PM (Unverified) said

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I haven't heard anyone discuss this, but what about the reduced number of USB ports.

there have been rumors that Rock Band's wireless guitars require USB plugins, one per guitar. What about the drums and mic? If all four parts required USB ports, will the 40G be capable of playing Rock Band? (without buying a extra USB hub, because mainstream gamers are not gonna do that).

As for back compatability, how exactly am I gonna get my God of War and Shadow of the Colossus on?

Posted: Oct 6th 2007 4:54PM Vidikron said

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So you think gamers would spend $160 on a single game, but not buy a $5 USB hub? Four USB ports is convenient, sure (though I've only ever used 1), but since even a single USB port can be expanded with a hub, multiple ports is hardly a necessity.
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Posted: Oct 6th 2007 3:13PM KohathM said

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No matter what Sony does, people are going to complain. People want everything for no money.

Sony can't have 2 options. Look how that worked in the US. There was a $500 PS3 and a $600 PS3 and everyone complained because the PS3 cost $600. So no one gave them credit for having a $500 price point and they learned their lesson.

Did you online complainers give Sony kudos for their full backwards compatibility in the original PS3? No. You just complained about the price.

Now there's a cheaper option with no backward compatibility. Does Sony get kudo for fixing the price? No, they get complaints about backward compatibility.

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