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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:05PM (Unverified) said

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OH Noes! there is a dongle hanging out of my PS3! Now it doesn't feel like it's really wireless! I'm not buying this!!...is this really a problem?
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:04PM hotpuck6 said

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it really is odd.
If your going to pay the licensing fees to put bluetooth in your device, why not let others utilize it?
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:35PM heypaul said

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Yeah this doesn't make any sense. I was under the impression that anything conforming to Bluetooth standards would work. If Bluetooth keyboards, mice, headsets all work out of the box without being designed specifically for PS3, why wouldn't a Bluetooth guitar work?
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:44PM copa said

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I thought the Microsofties were complete idiots when I found out that it was difficult and expensive for third-parties to make wireless controllers for the 360.

Now, it appears that all three console makers have problems in this area.

Jesus Christ, it's 2007. How can anyone (much less three corporations) release a console at this point under the assumption that only first-party wireless controllers will ever need to be supported?
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 4:12PM LeoJay said

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Probably, the Bluetooth is "closed pairing" and only recognizes its own controllers specifically. The Wii gets around this by making the peripheral part of the controller proper through the Accessory Port; the PS3 doesn't have this advantage.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 5:47PM spin cycle said

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The PS3 Bluetooth is not closed. I use it with a 3rd party Bluetooth headset. And I'm not alone.

Let's not be so quick to jump to conclusions here.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2007 12:24AM (Unverified) said

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In the case of MS, it IS first party proprietary technology, to an extent. It's essentially just 2.4 Ghz wireless, but MS has likely imbedded some sort of digital signal that tells the 360 whether or not the device can be used. This is what companies must pay for. However, with the PS3 and Wii, it isn't that Sony/Nintendo are charging extra, it's that they use Bluetooth.

First of all, it costs extra money to liscense the Bluetooth technology. So there would be added costs there. Secondly, I'm sure Red Octane was searching for the most cost effective way to make guitars for all 4 systems (PS3, PS2, 360, Wii) by using the dongles and NOT Bluetooth, they can essentially use the 2.4 Ghz wireless tech in 3 of the 4 guitars. The Wii guitar probably costs them pennies to make, because it doesn't have any wireless tech in it at all, it just outputs all the signals through the Wiimote.

So if they can use all the same guts for the guitars, then they will save a ton of money by not having to release a completely different spec for each system.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:04PM FrankTheCrank said

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So, obviously, the guitars don't use Bluetooth...

Is it because it cost money to license Bluetooth??

I can only think it's that. So this dongle must be a radio deal...definitely not RF or BT...so radio it is.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:16PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said

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RF = radio frequency

So, you're saying it's not radio, but it is radio? I'm confused.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:49PM FrankTheCrank said

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My bad...I meant to say, so no Infrared or BT, must be radio(RF). Thanks for the pick up.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 3:28PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said

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Infrared would be a terrible choice, lemme tells ya.

For IR to work, you'd have to have the transmitter pointed directly at the receiver! Nintendo did this with Game Boy Color, and needless to say, it was widely underused.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2007 12:18AM hotpuck6 said

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"For IR to work, you'd have to have the transmitter pointed directly at the receiver! Nintendo did this with Game Boy Color, and needless to say, it was widely underused."

well that was at the point when the only things using the system link didn't require you to actually hold and actively use the gameboy. IMO, it was a nice convenience over needing that damn cable all the time, but it got used even less than the IR sensors on every nokia phone ever made.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:06PM FrankTheCrank said

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Forgot to ask:

Will this new PS3 guitar allow you to play the older PS2 versions of the game on your PS3?
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:15PM Colossalhat said

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Good question.




So Joystiq.......will it?
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:44PM spin cycle said

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GH3 FAQ says GH3 guitars are not compatible with GH1 and GH2.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:52PM FrankTheCrank said

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This guitar not being compatible with the older PS2 games is just a stupid mistake.

The more and more I think about it...seems as if Sony intends on keeping the PS2 alive allot longer than we think. Removing BC....and possibly dropping the price to $99.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:07PM Fernando Rocker said

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So, the best guitar is the Wii version?

Nice =)
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:30PM Mrg6290 said

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Well, if ur basing ur opinion off the information in this post regarding how the PS3 needs an adapter and the Wii does not, then really in that sense, the Xbox 360 has the "best" since it neither requires an adapter nor does it have to be hooked up to a separate controller.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:32PM (Unverified) said

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It's nice to know that 3rd parties have documentation on the controller port. Hopefully more unique uses of it will show up.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:36PM (Unverified) said

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nope, the best guitar is the 360 version because i already have a gh2 guitar and i can just buy the game and save money :P
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 3:57PM (Unverified) said

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Yes the Wii version will be best due to force feedback and sound feedback from the acutal guitar.

However Fernando plz stop trolling the Sony posts it's getting old even for a Wii owner.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2007 12:29AM (Unverified) said

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Force Feedback? Wtf are you talking about? How in the hell (and why in the hell) would a Guitar game have Force Feedback? I'm pretty sure that when playing the guitar there are not G forces and gravitational pulls that would need to be simulated through the use of Force Feedback. This isn't a racing game.

Also, Sound feedback hasn't been confirmed or mentioned at all yet.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2007 12:31AM (Unverified) said

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I would also like to add that the 360 guitar will be more efficient in terms of battery usage. First of all, the Wiimote eats batteries alive, second of all, I won't have to use up all my standard controller's batteries to play the game.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:14PM (Unverified) said

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What is the big deal! So what! it needs a dongle; big deal; connect a dongle and play till your heart is content.

It's hate on Sony time cause the holidays are here and they are going to sell a ton of consoles. In their first year with bloggers/editors trashing them because of price; they still managed to sell half of what Microsoft sold in two years time without their big name titles appearing.

How can any of you respect yourselves; you all said the original xbox was a success and better than the PS2 and nothing could be further from the truth. We all know how the xbox 1 did against the PS2 which is still around today.

Wow; the 360 has wired controllers for Guitar Hero II; why aren't any of you jockin on them for doing so?
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:18PM CaptNink said

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Uh... a little over-defensive are we?
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:18PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said

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1) It isn't hate, but curiosity. Since PS3 uses the Bluetooth standard for controllers, people assumed the guitar controllers would use it, too.

2) Uh, yeah, people DID complain about the wired GHII controller for 360. A lot of people did, actually. Guess you weren't around for that, huh?
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:19PM (Unverified) said

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Actually I heard there are wireless 360 controllers...
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:19PM (Unverified) said

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Actually I heard there are wireless 360 controllers...
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:48PM (Unverified) said

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c'mon you knob... the BS3 was billed as the console that had everything, for a price. Built in wifi, bluetooth, HD, blu-ray, etc etc etc. So wireless periphs need a dongle? At least pretend to have some common sense..
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 3:10PM pukegreenuniform said

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Oh noes fanboy angry at all the big bully fanboys. Why do you care what they say about the ps3? Unless you lack confidence in your console purchase. This was a calm discussion until you started flaming.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 4:13PM (Unverified) said

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Wake me up when they sell a ton of systems.

Wait shit no! I won't wake up!
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 4:16PM BrucieB said

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JesseJames Sorry but you LOSE!
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:17PM (Unverified) said

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Um...why don't they just cut cost and just make it wired than? I mean everytime I see my friend's electric guitar I see a wire attached. A wire only adds to the realism.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:18PM Colossalhat said

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Well, unless I'm mistaken, the dongle connects to the PS3 which has ample USB ports to spare (unless you're getting the 40gig). This makes all of the versions identical, wireless is wireless even if it's got an adaptor for it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't the 360 be wireless too without anything to plug in?
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:19PM Colossalhat said

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Mission (to reply to fernando) Failed.....
SNAKE!!!
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:27PM (Unverified) said

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last i heard 360 versions of the game comes with wired guitar. maybe you can bye a wireless later not sure about that.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 3:03PM (Unverified) said

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It's Rock Band that comes with a wired guitar for the 360 (if you buy the bundle). The pack-in guitar for GH3 on the 360 is wireless.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:24PM Duke said

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"Apparently Sony doesn't feel up to talking about why these dongles are necessary as they stonewalled 1UP when the site went looking for answers."

Yeah, they are usually so easy to get answers from...
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:28PM Lava said

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In all honesty; I don't see it that deserves negativity, if the guitar works fine, why should I care about that. This is kinda feel like desperate attempt to criticize Sony.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:27PM darthdavid said

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That makes the PS3 look like it has a pair of balls (really low hanging ones) =(
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 3:29PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said

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PS3 should go see a doctor for that.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:36PM (Unverified) said

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i'd like to know how this will work if for ps3's version of rock band if you get a 40 GB, when you want to get more than 2 instruments involved. there is only 2 posts for them right? iwas gonna get one when they came out if they are only 399. i'm not a huge fan of these type of games but it is interesting if i deside to invest in rock band some day.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:38PM prime8 said

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so, are Red Octane and Harmonix incapable of figuring out how to implement bluetooth in the guitars on their own?

it's not like the PS3 has some unique proprietary form of bluetooth that only sony knows the secrets of how to operate.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 3:09PM Colossalhat said

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They can't add it because it's too hard to develop an interface that doesn't use RF signals.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 3:58PM prime8 said

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it's too hard, there's just 5 buttons and the strum and whammy bar... it must be near impossible to program for a bluetooth keyboard with over 100 keys
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:40PM Autopsy15 said

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Dongleless? I don't like that word. Please never use it again, Joystiq.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 3:10PM Colossalhat said

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Is it because you too, are dongleless?
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 5:38PM Autopsy15 said

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No. I love dongles. Dangling dongles especially. Dangling dongles, dangling dongles, dangling dongles. Did I just rape your mind? So sorry.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 2:46PM spin cycle said

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Don't care. Here's what I do care about.

You can buy GH3 (just the game) for PS2.
You can buy GH3 (just the game) for 360.

You cannot buy GH3 (just the game) for PS3, you must buy a bundle with a guitar. This despite the fact that the GH3 FAQ says GH3 supports PS2 guitars on PS3 with a USB adapter.

Harmonix, I want to buy GH3 for PS3, but I don't want to buy more guitars. Why will you not let me? Why will you let 360 people (which I am one of, but I don't have any 360 guitars) do it?

If you force me down to PS2, then you can't sell me any DLC contant, and it's $10 cheaper! What gives?
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Posted: Oct 11th 2007 3:01PM HeyTone said

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Although not a HUGE deal, everyone seems to be dismissing the fact that these systems support a wireless standard ON BOARD. Dongles work in all cases- there were dongles on the PS2, and XBOX (guitars, dance pads, logitech controllers). It just seems like we shouldn't have to deal with these dongles anymore.

Again, not a HUGE deal, but still....
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