Nega-review: The Orange Box
To start with, there's "the horrendous box art, which I'm pretty certain was designed by a select group of mildy-talented fifth graders." (8)For Half-Life 2 and its episodic add-ons, "the visuals are not as good as they should be." (8) "The graphics don't compare with say BioShock, Gears of War or Halo 3," (6) and the game "suffer[s] from occasional framerate stutters and issues." (1) "There's also some noticeable pop-up." (6) "You'll ... see some chugs at certain points, such as during large chain explosions with equally large numbers of characters onscreen." (1)
"There are mid-level loads that halt the action... often [for] 30 seconds to a full minute. This is especially aggravating when a load comes during a high-speed chase." (8) "Whenever you approach a new area, the game pauses and loads. This feels distinctly last-gen, especially compared with FPS of the moment Halo 3, which seamlessly loads new areas without pause." (6)
As for the game itself, "some sections feel over-long, others just a lonely set of corridors." (3) Your AI teammates "can often get in your way when trying to move about small places [and] the AI often ignores [your] orders or will simply refuse to stay put and let you get through a corridor." (8) "Episode 2 is still linear. ... It's not exactly innovative - there's only one new enemy type and the lone new weapon isn't seen until the finale." (4) "The sense of familiarity can dull the game's appeal to [an] extent." (3)
Team Fortress 2's biggest problem is that "there are only a handful of maps" (4) and "none of the gametypes are really out of the ordinary." (5) Specifically, "there are only six maps to choose from" (9) and "each of the six maps has one game type attached to it. This ... hurts the diversity considerably. ... There's no customization here." (8) "And 2fort is the only capture-the-flag map." (9) "Just one capture the flag map isn't nearly enough." (7)
"There are also some performance issues. I've had some big matches that ran just fine, but other matches (even ones with only four players) that were plagued by lag." (8) "It would occasionally stop frame and jitter around like older PC games used to back in the day." (5) "Now several days after release there still isn't a fix in place." (7) "Without a strong connection from the host, TF2 has some issues." (8)
There are some other complaints as well. "Paltry numbers will drag down the overall experience, as we found during some 3-on-3 sessions. (1) "I missed the Halo 3 matchmaking system, which all online games should have now." (6) And, frankly, "the source engine's becoming a little grey around the temples. The enemy models, in particular, are starting to look dated, and a lot of the textures break up when you get up close and personal." (7)
"I question the longevity of TF2 multiplayer." (8) "It's s not the best online FPS the consoles have to offer." (6) "Will people be playing the same maps, with the same game types in six months?" (8) Personally, "it won't be stealing me away from Halo 3 long term." (6)
As for Portal, "he first fifteen puzzles ... are a real breeze [and] few of the puzzles are difficult to solve." (8) "It will probably take you two hours to complete at most," (5). All right, all right, it "may take you three hours or so if you're able to quickly grasp the concepts that are presented" (9) but "it's closer to four hours if you struggle through the last few like I did." (3) The game could be called "a little short" (6), "too short" (4) or "very brief." (1) Any way you slice it, "Portal doesn't fully deliver on its promise." (8)
Welcome, reader, to the latest Joystiq nega-review. Nega-reviews take the niggling negative bits from nine overwhelmingly positive reviews (sources below) and combines them into an overall vicious whole. Important, positive context has been removed from some of these quotes, but we didn't change the underlying meaning of anyone's words ... each quote was intended as a negative in the original review. We don't do this because we think the game is actually bad, but more to point out that even universally praised games have problems and no game is perfect.
On a personal note, I have to say putting this Nega-review together was a lot harder than putting together the one for Halo 3. While the final review scores were similar, the complaints about Orange Box seemed smaller and altogether more overwhelmed by absolutely glowing positives. I mean look at the Portal section above ... practically the only close-to-negative thing anyone said was that it was too short.
We do plan on making this a regular series for well-hyped, AAA games that receive across-the-board critical praise. While the final decision on what games to nega-review isn't made until the reviews start coming in, Mass Effect, Mario Galaxy and Rock Band are likely candidates on the horizon. Any others we should look out for? Let us know in the comments.
Sources:
(1) GameSpy
(2) 1UP
(3) EuroGamer
(4) Yahoo! Games
(5) Gamer 2.0
(6) Pro-G
(7) GameTrailers
(8) IGN
(9) Gamespot











Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
FOXHOUND @ Oct 19th 2007 8:07AM
As much as I like the point/counter-point (ha ha, kfm reference); you know the more popular, system seller games would only bring out vicious replies from those that don't understand that every game is flawed(which is why I'll never understand how reviewers can give a perfect score)... or readers looking for a reason to bitch about a game they admittedly don't like because it's not appearing on their console/PC.
StalkerB @ Oct 19th 2007 8:07AM
I like these nega-reviews.
Sometimes I read them out loud quickly and pretend I'm Yahtzee.
iiijeremy @ Oct 19th 2007 8:49AM
That is so gay, dude.
Danny @ Oct 19th 2007 2:35PM
Oh thank God, I thought I was the only one!
MasterInsan0 @ Nov 5th 2007 11:47AM
Taken out of context, the above two replies are quite hilarious.
FOXHOUND @ Oct 19th 2007 8:11AM
oh, and to answer the last inquiry... In addition to the ones aformentioned; I wouldn't mind seeing one of these for the following upcoming games:
NFS: ProStreet
Uncharted
Kane & Lynch
Haze
Call of Duty 4
Army of Two
WWE SvR08
Nitrobike
NiGHTS
RE:Umbrella Chronicles
...and of course...
MGS4
Biggie @ Oct 19th 2007 8:20AM
I love the orange box. But, I do wish Valve would developed a streaming engine, to get rid of the loading pauses. They really do inter up the action.
FOXHOUND @ Oct 19th 2007 8:27AM
Glad I'm not the only one catching that hell. I went nuts the first couple of nights thinking it was either one of my programs or the graphics card in my PC.
Flit @ Oct 19th 2007 8:22AM
I don't get the point of the nega-review. It's seriously the reason why game reviews are useless, all rolled up into a ball of suck, and then sticking a 1-10 number to it. They don't help gaming, or are funny, or anything. Why bother?
James @ Oct 19th 2007 8:36AM
Because they're after something original?
I agree though. They're not good.
Mischa @ Oct 19th 2007 9:15AM
I think a 1-10 score for a game review is quite helpful, it saved me $60 when I was wooed by blue dragon. Sometimes I don't have time, or am too lazy, to read an entire review, and want to just go to multiple sites and read their number. And if you read the post you would have read that these were created to keep the hype of AAA titles in check.
I like these. I already know what's great about a big budget game, it's nice to see everything bad thrown together too.
ogvor @ Oct 19th 2007 2:37PM
One, individual gaming review isn't helpful, but things like metacritic that average the opinions of lots of people can help people get a grasp on a game without playing it. I'll still listen to my friends opinions more so than some stranger writing for a magazine. It also is helpful for a quick glance, like how some people mention that the hype surrounding Blue Dragon was quickly deflated by the lower review scores it got. I'm really looking forward to Mass Effect, but in the unlikley chance that it gets a lot of scores of 6 or less, I'll probably pass.
arrrgh @ Oct 19th 2007 8:27AM
The game doesn't look as good as bio, halo3, or gow? I beg to differ. Maybe it's because i run it on PC at 1920x1200, which none of the consoles is capable of displaying...but it looks right up there with bioshock and the rest from where I'm sitting
James @ Oct 19th 2007 8:45AM
That resolution with everything on full walks over Halo 3 at least. Hell, just put it down to 640p and take off the AA for the Tru(tm) Halo 3 effect.
Michael @ Oct 19th 2007 9:00AM
Yeah, except Orange Box runs at 1080p on the 360. Oops.
Blazur @ Oct 19th 2007 9:38AM
I'm inclined to agree. The HL2 environment is just stunning. Sure it might not be as acute as Bioshock, but the war-torn, dismal environment does wonders at conveying a sense of alienation and hopelessness for the human race. For me, HL2 was more immersive than Bioshock.
Vidikron (FU) @ Oct 19th 2007 10:23AM
Ummm... no. Sorry, but as great as HL2 is, it definitely looks dated now. You're on crack if you think it looks as good as a gamelike GoW. And who gives a shit what res you can run it at? That's not going to improve character models or make the engine look less dated.
arrrgh @ Oct 19th 2007 12:11PM
Vidikron (FU)
you wad, HL2 EP2 has a TON of gfx features that HL2 doesn't have. Sorry you managed to fail pretty hard there. It's not dated in the least.
James @ Oct 19th 2007 8:41AM
RE the TF2 comments.
It IS the most perfect online FPS. It's properly balanced more so than anything else I've played. It's simply leaps and bounds above any console online FPS, it's funnier, better looking and designed to perfection. Shame that the potential only comes through in huge 24 and (hacked) 32 player games that the console versions will never see.
It's a shame that something better than Halo 3 will suffer in the market because of no MS funded hype train.
FrankTheCrank @ Oct 19th 2007 9:04AM
Half Life 2 is one of the greatest games ever. It blends awesome science fiction with beautiful graphics and stellar control.
For what you get, this Orange Box is the deal of the year.
Now if my Elite 360 gets here soon, I can PLAY!!!
Vegeta (aka Ska Oreo) @ Oct 19th 2007 10:03AM
If it was "perfect" it would have more maps, more weapons, a little bit more variety in game modes other than capture the flag and territories.
Jake @ Oct 19th 2007 10:05AM
On the 360, Halo 3 is easily a better online multiplayer game than TF2. I am basing that on about 30 hours with Halo 3 Team Slayer Matchmaking and 10 hours with TF2 spread across different levels.
There is just so much more you can do right now with Halo 3. I've never owned a game from either franchise, so I wasn't really a fan of either until now, and I am a fan of each. But TF2 is not going to have legs for me.
Pet Peeves with each.
I don't like the engineer class on TF2 because it seems to not require much skill, just a tiny bit of strategy and level familiarity.
I hate people that don't think on Halo 3. I mean, they are good at the game and win one on one's most of the time, but they don't think strategy. One team will camp with swords and everyone from the other team will rush to their deaths repeatedly when they should be spreading out and collecting all the power weapons.
Poisoned Al @ Oct 19th 2007 11:21AM
Although the engineer is a crutch for rubbish players, the skilled ones are deadly. While watching a turret whore cower next to your own supply point is annoying, you gotta love the ones with the balls to set up a TP to the front line or deep inside the enemy base.
waldopepper @ Oct 19th 2007 8:46AM
Yeh this is stupid. It sounds interesting in concept but taking single sections from many different reviews takes them out of context.
Mischa @ Oct 19th 2007 9:10AM
Dude, you can't take a quote from a game review out of context. I don't think "It would occasionally stop frame and jitter around like older PC games used to back in the day." could be translated any other way than how it is, nor could any other quote taken from this list.
The context is the orange box, that's all you need to know.
OmegaRed @ Oct 19th 2007 5:42PM
@ Mischa:
"Dude, you can't take a quote from a game review out of context. I don't think "It would occasionally stop frame and jitter around like older PC games used to back in the day." could be translated any other way than how it is, nor could any other quote taken from this list.
The context is the orange box, that's all you need to know."
OMGWTFBBQ!!!!11.
CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What if your example came from this paragraph:
"This is the best game ever made. If I had to nit pick and choose one negative thing about the game it would have to be a problem that I had one match on a horrible server with a very slow connection. It would occasionally stop frame and jitter around like older PC games used to back in the day. This in no way detracts from the game, so I give it a 100/100."
This is exactly why taking anything out of context is stupid. Including this nega-review crap.
Mischa @ Oct 19th 2007 7:38PM
@ Omegared
What you said is exactly the point of the nega-review is that the games with such hype behind them already has a bunch of positive things said about them. This is to ground the hype in reality, and it says right in the post "the complaints about Orange Box seemed smaller and altogether more overwhelmed by absolutely glowing positives".
The quote that was taken out of the review was taken out of context, but the point is, we already know what the context is as the rest of these reviews are so positive. This game has been getting 9's and 10's, I don't think Joystiq compiling a bunch of negative one line quotes from a bunch of random reviews somehow wills this game to being anything less than that.
spidey @ Oct 19th 2007 8:46AM
I agree with you a bit there flit, a studio put all this effort into making an amazing game and then some random guy suddenly feels he has some sort of right to judge it and give it a score.
The way I feel is that the only way to judge a game is to try it for yourself to see if you like it. Don't ignore a game because someone else didn't like it. I mean, what does this article hope to achieve. I know I'm not going to deny myself the experience of this game because I have to wait for a few load screens or that the reviewer had some frame rate issues etc.
iiijeremy @ Oct 19th 2007 8:54AM
Uh .... I think the reviewers have tried it for themselves and are now opining on the game's overall appeal. No need to read it or comment if it doesn't appeal to your tastes.
To answer your question, this article is simply a gathering of the negative points cited by various reviewers. The very fact that you had to ask "what does this artcile hope to achieve" is indicative of your inability to grasp even the most elementary of concepts. Nice work, braniac.
(only giving you a hard time, dude...)
spidey @ Oct 21st 2007 7:38AM
Well then what's the point of being allowed to comment if every comment has to be a positive one that suck up to the author. I'm sorry but I as much right to express my opinion here as you have.
Yes the reviewer has played it, that's exactly my point.
He's played it and formed an opinion based on his experience of the game, an experience which could be completely different with someone else.
What I'm saying is to always take reviews, whether they're positive or negative with a pinch of salt and not let it be the deciding factor on whether you play the game or not.
ganrob @ Oct 19th 2007 8:52AM
Source is my favorite engine, I guess it's my personal taste that i prefer it to GOW. I think it looks absolutely stunning. I havn't seen these games on a console yet, but I have serious doubts that it's any good on a console.
Nate @ Oct 19th 2007 8:57AM
I still can't understand what all the hype is about... isn't this just a compilation of stuff they've already put out with some "portal" minigame? Why is there hype at all when it's just a PC game is being ported a couple years later to a console? Aren't two year old ports crap? Why isn't this crap? I seriously don't understand.
megaStryke @ Oct 19th 2007 9:22AM
Because the ONLY old stuff on there is Half-Life 2 and Episode 1. Episode 2, Team Fortress 2, and Portal are all new. Plus, this was simultaneously released for the PC, so it's not a port if you buy the PC version.
Nate @ Oct 19th 2007 9:26AM
Huh, weird, I coulda sworn TF2 and HL2:Ep2 were out like a couple years ago. My bad. Maybe I'm getting confused because the sequel to HL2 was Episode 1? What is this, Star Wars? ;)
smartguy1600 @ Oct 19th 2007 9:38AM
It's called episodic content, which, granted, Valve is doing kind of a lousy job making the releases frequent, but it's technically a continuation of Half Life 2, not a sequal. Episode 1 picks up RIGHT where HL2 ends, and the same goes for Episode 2.
And the hype is from the simple fact that Half Life 2 is possibly the greatest FPS ever. The nega-review seems confusing to me, because it seems mostly targeted at the 360 version, which honestly the PC version is the one to play. It gives games like Halo 3 and Gears a run for their money, if not simply for the incredible amount of expression characters have. Complaints about new enemies and weapons is moot, because you wouldn't expect to see a whole new slew of weapons in a game that is episodic. Not enough time passes from episode to episode to warrant brand new enemies and weapons all the time.
And Team Fortress 2 is a million times better on PC, where you can play with large games and (from my experience) litte to zero lag. So go PC if you really want to know what all the hype is about.
Nate @ Oct 19th 2007 9:50AM
Ahh, I see. Thanks for the clarification. The whole Episode 1 thing threw me off.
I played through like half of halflife 2... it looked fantastic on my PC. I wasn't completely sold on the gameplay & story, but hey, a great looking FPS on the PC isn't a terrible thing. I should go back and finish it, then maybe I'd be hyped for the new episodes, too.
Nate @ Oct 19th 2007 9:11AM
As for the nega review format, I actually like it a lot.
I think much of you are mistaken... the point of the nega review is not to bash a game everyone knows is good, it's just to compile all the little bad things that you might otherwise miss.
Sometimes little niggling things which are glossed over by a reviewer can be a huge problem for an individual, and if you have to read eight reviews to discover that niggle, you may well miss it and then be upset when it bugs the crap out of you in the game.
It's easy to look at the reviews and see all the positives... every review has them (for these critically acclaimed games). This just lets you see all the negatives in one place, and decide if that should sway you versus the positives.
Please, Joystiq, continue with this format, I think it's a much needed resource, and the only ones who criticize it are those who don't understand it.
Otis Whitaker @ Oct 19th 2007 9:23AM
What the flipping hell? HL2 stutters on the 360? WHY?
It should be running at 60 FPS, flawlessly. Lazy.. lazy..
Anyways, IMO, the worst parts of The Orange Box are HL2 and TF2.
I've never loved HL2. Shallow story, and drags a lot.
Now, I've finally played Ep. 1, and I'm really liking Ep. 1, mainly because there's a tiny bit of actual character development for a character in it!
Portal is very, very, very fun, and very funny. Even though it's short...
Haven't tackled Ep. 2 yet. But if it follows in the vein of Ep. 2, it could also be very good!
TF2.. I just don't like. It's optionless, bare bones, and way too god damned fast. It's frigging faster than the original UT... and it's a mother-friggin' Cooridor shooter. Hello! 1995 called! It wants it's ideas back!
Balance shmalance. There's few character models. Few maps. Few modes. Few Options. Typical Valve stuff. Throw it out to the market bare bones, get praise from nutty fans, then let the modders and map makers do all your work for you, sniff your cash, then forget the game ever existed.
That's how Valve has treated every single game they've ever made, Aside from the CS games, and their single player games.
James @ Oct 19th 2007 9:52AM
I was with you until you said HL2 has a shallow story.
Some things are debatable, like gameplay and how "fun" something is and why. But some things aren't debatable.
Mischa @ Oct 19th 2007 9:25AM
I agree with Nate, I like these things. Keep it up.
Judging from what I've read, I am slightly alarmed at the 360 version of this game. I played through this on a friend's PC and thought it was absolutely brilliant. All of the performance issues like the stuttering framerate, and the sucky load times were not an issue for me, at all.
Also, what was it about the AI getting in the way?? I never had that problem on the PC, I had just the opposite actually. They were always quite useful for me, and as lame as it might sound, I actually grew quite attached to the NPCs (go Barney!). Is the 360 version's AI retardified, or did these reviewers just somehow happen to have a completely different experience than I did? Am I alone on this?
One last thing. TF2 on PC (haven't played it on 360) is A BAJILLION TIMES BETTER than Halo 3 multiplayer. They are completely different games, but seriously, Halo 3 can't hold a candle to TF2 in my opinion, it has so much more personality, and has a better pace. Plus, it forces you to work together infinitely better than any of the Halo games do.
Fish @ Oct 19th 2007 9:25AM
They should have a posi-review for abysmal games. You know, to keep things interesting
Rususeruru @ Oct 19th 2007 10:43AM
I'll second that motion.
Geist @ Oct 19th 2007 11:41AM
Big Rigs: Great game, or greatest game?
Shibathedog @ Oct 19th 2007 9:31AM
Well it seems like a pretty damn good game then. All those reasons are either stupid things to bitch about or could be easily fixed with a patch.
Even if they can't, I avoided pretty much all those issues by getting the PC version :P
Blazur @ Oct 19th 2007 9:34AM
I share a few of the complains
1) In HL, your teammates are fairly stupid and can often get in the way.
2) TF2 has a severe shortage of maps.
3) Portal is pathetically short.
Aside from those, I'll gladly argue the Orange Box as being one of the best values I've seen in a long time for a purchased game. The HL series is just amazing to me, and its strength lies in VALVe's storytelling. I just completed Ep1 after playing through HL2 again, and am very eager to delve into #2.
Portal, albeit very weak, is a brilliant concept which is superbly executed. Like most people I blasted through this in less than 3 hours (minus challenges), but am excited about the prospect of future maps or mods. The game has potential, and the notion that this gun might show up in a future HL episode thrills me!
TF2 is the real star in this lineup and is a pinnacle multiplayer gaming experience for me. Sure there's a lack of variety in maps, but the few maps it comes with can be extremely fun in the right situation. The game feels very polished, and you can tell VALVe took many steps to balance it and make it an overall enjoyable experience for the general populace.
So yes, there is some criticism to consider when describing Orange Box. But overall VALVe gets my
Blazur @ Oct 19th 2007 9:44AM
Comments got cutoff in a weird wah, haha. They get my respect. There...that's all I had to say.
eurotransient @ Oct 19th 2007 9:49AM
I dunno if I'd go so far as to say Portal is "weak", but you're right, it is insanely short. The challenge modes do add some replay, but not enough. Really, the best reason to play it again is just to jump to the last level so you can experience the tremendous ending over and over again.
On a side note, it seems like a lot of reviews of the Orange Box really spend more time praising the value of the package than they do the game itself. While certainly it is a tremendous value, that has very little effect on how good the package actually is. Of course, the package is pretty outstanding, but probably not nearly as perfect as everyone says it is.
Here's hoping for DLC in the form of additional TF2 maps. And maybe some more Portal levels? Holy crap that would be tremendous...
eurotransient @ Oct 19th 2007 9:45AM
I'm digging the nega-reviews. It's a nice change of pace and kind of refreshing to get the bad stuff all summed up in one place.
As for future games, it's tough to predict outright what's going to be universally praised, but Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare and Assassin's Creed look to be next in line to earn lots of comments like "OMG COD4 FTW LOL!!!" Which I suppose is, like, the highest praise ever. If you're twelve.
m4cinsl4sh @ Oct 19th 2007 9:46AM
this sounds like a small child whining pointlessly to me. every game has flaws and yes HL2 has been out a while. however i found this review completely pointless.
spidey @ Oct 19th 2007 9:57AM
I'm with you on this one.