Off the Grid: Out of country (part two)

I got a lot of interesting comments in response to last week's piece on gaming while abroad. More people empathized with my situation than I had originally expected, and had their own unique solutions to the problem.
Overwhelmingly, most expat gamers seem to rely on portables to keep playing games internationally. Some gamers took the full dive and purchased new consoles for their new region. Still others suggested using VGA cables and computer monitors, or reminded me that most modern televisions sold in Europe support NTSC signals, nullifying the problem entirely.
But I'm not going to buy a television, because they're bulky and I don't feel like it. Instead, I invested in a tiny, tiny piece of hardware that lets me play my console games on my laptop. It's called the Elgato EyeTV Hybrid and, irony of ironies, it's for Macs only.
Elgato is a German company specializing in television viewing and recording software and hardware for Macintosh computers. Their brainchild is the EyeTV line, the cutest of which is the EyeTV Hybrid, a device slightly larger than a flash drive that plugs directly into a computer's USB port, accepting coaxial television signals, as well as composite video, S-Video and stereo audio through the use of a breakout cable.
In short, it turns a Mac into a television screen, which is exactly what I needed. With a 15" Powerbook, I already had a nice screen for playing games. All I really needed was the device to let me do it.Granted, the EyeTV Hybrid wasn't designed for this purpose. For $150 USD, the device comes with software designed to turn a Mac into a DVR unit, offering real-time encoding of video signals for either storage, playback, or transfer to a number of different media. As the younger brother to the more robust EyeTV 250 -- which handles encoding in the hardware itself -- the Hybrid relies on the computer it's plugged into to do the encoding.
But if you don't press record, the encoder never turns on, and the video and audio travel directly from source to screen with virtually no lag.
I had my doubts about the efficacy of the Hybrid. I was warned that lag could be inevitable when relying on the computer's processor to display the image. But surprise surprise, the device has worked flawlessly, and I've played games for hours at a time without ever experiencing any lag between the controls and the display.
For the sake of technical stats, I've been testing the device using its latest software updates, on my 15" Apple Powerbook, with a 1.33 GHz PowerPC G4 processor, and 1.5 GB of internal RAM. My machine is running Mac OS X Tiger, version 10.4.10. I've played PlayStation 2 and the Wii using EyeTV, and have tested a variety of games, including Katamari Damacy, Odin Sphere, Okami, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Super Paper Mario, Wii Sports, and a number of Virtual Console titles. Even with a game as fast-paced and twitchy as Prime 3, the device performs perfectly, and keep in mind that my laptop is over three years old. Performance on any newer machines should be no problem.
The sound quality is perfect, with no noticeable degradation. The image quality, however, takes a somewhat noticeable hit. As shown in the gallery, the EyeTV Hybrid does not output the video at its highest resolution. The image is blurry, and not as sharp as it would be on a high-def, or even standard-definition television screen. Different interlacing options can be turned on to improve the image, but these require a processor fast enough to keep up. The slight degradation in video quality, however, does not affect the playability of the titles. Text in games like Metroid Prime 3 and Odin Sphere is still very much readable, and a good game is a good game regardless of how "crisp" it looks. This might also strictly be a composite video problem, as I'm unable to test whether the S-Video option is in any way superior.
At this time I'm also unable to test the Eye TV Hybrid on the Xbox 360 or the PS3, because, well, I don't own them. I've also placed several inquiries into Elgato requesting more details about the technology and its few problems, but I've received no response as of writing this.
Ultimately, the Eye TV Hybrid won't be the ideal solution for everyone. But for those with a fast Mac, and who want -- nay, need -- to be gamers while out of country, it's a portable, practical solution to a puzzling problem.
Happy gaming, fellow expats.
Gallery: Elgato EyeTV Hybrid
Scott Jon Siegel is an fledgling game designer, a professional blogger, and a mediocre cook. His words and games can be found at numberless, and he promises to get back to reviewing non-digital games real soon.











Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
PKFC @ Oct 25th 2007 5:41PM
I have the EyeTV 250 and when using the encoding off ("virtually lag free" for gaming) there still is a slight lag for games like Guitar Hero or any music game. The worst problem though is that even with the calibrate lag option for GHII, the lag is VARIABLE.. So you can calibrate lag all you want, but you'll likely get a different result everytime varying from 0 ms to a few hundred. It is fine for other game genres, but no Guitar Hero :(
wickedpheonix @ Oct 25th 2007 5:54PM
need I remind you that Guitar Hero 3 comes out on Sunday for PC and Mac as well as the consoles? Running natively on the machine itself and not on a console is going to cut that lag to 0 I would think :S
MikeStan28 @ Oct 25th 2007 5:50PM
Sorry dude but I think you've gone the wrong way into this, you were concerned with cost and yet talking about using a 15" PowerBook, kinda more expensive than a monitor?
(obviously not if you already have one i realise)
Also the rest of the piece really sounds like an infotainment piece for 'the Hybrid'
please feel free to tell me I'm wrong people, I think I may be missing the point. (please explain, I'm not trolling)
laters.
Scott Jon Siegel @ Oct 25th 2007 6:01PM
The Powerbook's about three years old, so I didn't view it as a part of the cost.
Regarding "infotainment," I still think the EyeTV has its problems. It's not designed for this kind of use, which means it won't be reliable. It's also fuzzy in the image department, and I haven't run the full gamut of consoles through it to see if it's a complete solution. If I sound largely positive, it's because the device kinda saved my ass as a gamer, and I do strongly feel that it's a viable solution.
Brandon R @ Oct 25th 2007 6:11PM
I disagree, having both a mac and EyeTV.
Since he is away from home (or at a new home) and already has a Powerbook, why invest in a new monitor/TV when this works just fine for the period of time he is over there? The device can fit into any laptop bag, I'd like to see that done with a TV/monitor.
The lag really isn't there on my mac. He is right about the quality, but there is quite a difference in the technology behind televisions and the tech behind monitors. Obviously it won't be as sharp as the resolution is a ton higher. My HDTV with a high resolution looks like shit some of the time, when not completely utilized.
MikeStan28 @ Oct 25th 2007 6:26PM
Thanks for replying Scott and I hope you have fun over here. I apologise for the use of the word 'infotainment', it's a bit shit.
Just tried to write a tech document that you coud use to obtain what you're after without using a mac but i ended up rambling.
jopojelly @ Oct 25th 2007 5:51PM
When I was filming my film we used something similar to capture Super Smash Brothers Melee footage. I think we also had a review copy of the EyeTV thing too, but didn't use it cause we were editing in Vegas, and didn't want to go to the trouble of transfering the files from the Mac to the PC.
Anyway, most of these things have lag, which is unacceptable for most games.
wickedpheonix @ Oct 25th 2007 5:55PM
Anybody have one of these and one of the newer MacBook Pros and want to sound off on image quality/lag etc? Makes sense that there would be a bit on a 3 year old machine...
Kazi @ Oct 25th 2007 5:57PM
I actually have something similar for my PC, I had planned to play games on my laptop. Unfortunately I didn't put in enough research and the lag was just unacceptable. I mostly play fighters and shooters, the kings of multiplayer so even the slightest lag can effect the games pretty significantly. I did use it a few times to record some sloppy playing.
un1qu3 n3wy0rk @ Oct 25th 2007 6:02PM
I NEED one of those, but first I need to buy a mac.
surge89 @ Oct 25th 2007 6:06PM
I am a US gamer and I still live in the US but I'm using EyeTV Hybrid to display games on my 24" intel based iMac, because my TV is a crappy 12" Standard Def 4:3 set.
I prefer viewing my games in 16:9, and I don't have the space for a 50" HDTV.
I own all three current gen systems, and I have to say they all look pretty good on my iMac through EyeTV. In fact I feel they come in much clearer than on my crappy TV. I haven't noticed any lag whatsoever while playing games like Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Halo 3, and Metroid Prime 3.
The visual quality does take quite a hit if you start recording while playing. If you want to document a speed run, you'll have to put up with some fuzzy pixels.
I can't take any screen shots at the moment because I'm away from home, but later tonight I'll post some screens of ps3 and 360 displayed through EyeTV on my iMac.
Scott Jon Siegel @ Oct 25th 2007 6:15PM
That's great to hear, Surge. I'd love to see those screen-captures when you can get them.
I'm thinking that EyeTV might have a big market in colleges, specifically for kids who are short on dorm room space but still want to play games. Lugging a bulky 18" tube TV to school every year was an enormous pain in the ass. I would've killed for a solution that just let me use my laptop.
Will @ Oct 25th 2007 6:34PM
If you prefer 16:9, why use a 16:10 iMac? ;p
surge89 @ Oct 26th 2007 12:10PM
Sorry it took me a while to get these screens up. I spent more time playing the games I took shots of.
One thing I realized while taking screens, is that the motion tends to look really blurry, so I decided to take a few comparision shots on screen and off screen.
Rachet and Clank Future
http://www.nintendoaddicts.org/eyetv/rachetscreencap.png
http://www.nintendoaddicts.org/eyetv/rachetoffscreen.png
Halo 3
http://www.nintendoaddicts.org/eyetv/halooffscreen.png
Note: The green bar in the corner is my Activity Monitor, which displays my CPU load.
surge89 @ Oct 26th 2007 12:19PM
Heavenly Sword
http://www.nintendoaddicts.org/eyetv/heavenlyswordscreencap.png
http://www.nintendoaddicts.org/eyetv/heavenlyswordoffscreen.png
I originally bought eyetv to use as a DVR, and one day I decided to mess around with the Line in functions. After the display turned out to be better than my TV, I decided to ditch my TV for my iMac and eyetv. When I eventually move out of my house I'll be buying myself a nice HDTV.
Below is my hardware overview
Model Name: iMac
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.33 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache (per processor): 4 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 667 MHz
My graphics card:
NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT:
Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT
Type: Display
Bus: PCIe
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0391
Revision ID: 0x00a1
ROM Revision: 3022
Displays:
iMac:
Display Type: LCD
Resolution: 1920 x 1200
Depth: 32-bit Color
Built-In: Yes
Core Image: Supported
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Supported
Raikage (NDF - PK THUNDER RING) @ Oct 26th 2007 8:11PM
Just a question, I have a 17in MacBook Pro, couldn't I hook up a 360 using the DVI? Would I need software?
James @ Oct 25th 2007 6:09PM
Just wanted to express my love for my EyeTV for DTT.
I love it.
Matt @ Oct 25th 2007 6:23PM
That'll do surge 89. That'll do.
Shagittarius @ Oct 25th 2007 6:32PM
Or you could just pick up and old Commodore monitor and play PAL/NTSC games on it.
Will @ Oct 25th 2007 6:42PM
I still think brining an LCD from home would be the best option. I use a 22" LCD, and besides hooking up with the normal connections like VGA it even has an HDMI slot. A 22" LCD isn't exactly heavy or bulky (can be carried with one hand) and provides lots of benefits over EyeTV.. like full resolution and larger-than-15" screen size. Really, playing any console game on a 15" display makes me cringe.
Furthermore, it's much more cost efficient. The EyeTV Hybrid costs about $150 depending where you shop ($145 on Amazon..) For that price you can get a 17-19" LCD monitor, especially if you pick one up somewhere used, and again you'd enjoy a nice full resolution and size larger than 15". My 22" with 1680x1050 resolution was only $200 after rebate, so for $50 more you're getting a very beautiful monitor that is larger, lets you do more, and even better.. isn't limited to Macs! That's right, VGA signals don't discriminate operating systems.
Between the screen size, sloppy image quality, and price, and OS limitations, the whole thing seems like a bad deal.
Rob Accomando @ Oct 25th 2007 6:51PM
we get these at work for our Video to VGA needs. No computer needed.
http://www.blackbox.com/Catalog/Detail.aspx?mid=2530
Will @ Oct 25th 2007 7:20PM
That'd work great, but he doesn't have a display to hook it up to.
CharlesA @ Oct 25th 2007 7:22PM
Well on reading this. PC people there is a product that's identical as to what's shown above:
http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Products/Consumer+Products/PCTV+Tuners/PCTV+Flash_TV+Stick/PCTV+HD+Ultimate+Stick.htm
I've been using one for about a year (the standard HDProstick) Works great for gaming. You can pick up the cheaper version for like 70 bucks at times at best buy.
Gavin @ Oct 25th 2007 7:25PM
Of COURSE they do make devices such as this for Windows machine.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000J1CCGA/sr=8-2/qid=1193354334/ref=dp_cp_ob_title_0/105-5533727-5552417
A one minute search of Amazon turned up several type of things that will do this. Here's a real cheap one that offers another option but also using the USB port.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000DLBAFU/sr=8-2/qid=1193354334
gonk @ Oct 25th 2007 8:03PM
am i the only one that still plays card games on trips? there's gin, rummy, gin rummy, poker, blackjack, BS, war, 13, etc
Will @ Oct 25th 2007 10:31PM
Card games are fine.. in the car. Even then I'd rather have a PSP. If you're going on an extended trip, or even living in another country for a few months, why in the world would you rely on card games?
Blast Processing Megadrive @ Oct 25th 2007 8:25PM
I have the GameBridge that Gavin linked to. It's cheap, but it gets the job done okay. It's true that there is no lag, but the fps is pretty low. Like maybe 30 or 15? It's very noticable in a fast game like Super Smash Bros. Melee.
prateeko @ Oct 25th 2007 8:42PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the PS3 region free for games?
Also, is the HDTV signal universal or is it once again divided amongst PAL and NTSC?
Mike Frisco @ Oct 26th 2007 12:29AM
Mac only? Are you certain that's not just a rebadged Hauppauge HVR-950?
The casing looks identical.
http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hvr950.html
Scott Jon Siegel @ Oct 25th 2007 6:31PM
Hmmm, the devices do look identical, and it's probably not coincidental that the Mac version of Hauppage's WinTV comes bundled with EyeTV Lite. My guess is that it's probably the same hardware, with distinct software for each.
t_m @ Oct 26th 2007 4:27AM
Can't you use your position as a respected games journalist *cough*blogger*cough* to get some comments from the console makers about what they expect expats to do?
I'm an expat living in japan. I'm trying to learn japanese, but its not fast or easy! Right now I have NO OPTIONS when it comes to console gaming.
I could import an english console.. but then i'd have to import every game and it'd cost a fortune. (plus issues with power, tv, etc..)
I could buy a local console, but then i couldn't play any games that have dialogue or stories.
My only option seems to be to buy a mod-chip... which might then get my console banned.
I'd be really interested to know what Reggie or Perrin or any of those other guys would suggest for me... please ask them.
(10% of brits live abroad.. if that is reflected globally then 5-10% of gamers are being forced to either skip consoles, or mod-chip them)
Korova @ Oct 26th 2007 7:43AM
Thank for the idea, Scott. I think I am going to get me EyeTV 250 (one with remote, HDTV and hardware codec)for christmas. It does costs as much as a small TV but its a space efficiency thing for me.
I cant believe Apple doesnt build these things in, as an option at least into iMacs.
Scott Jon Siegel @ Oct 26th 2007 12:48PM
I'd be careful: The EyeTV Hybrid works as well as it does because the device doesn't do any of the video encoding itself. The EyeTV 250, however, does perform on-board encoding, and the delay using this device is more substantial than with the Hybrid (even when activating the device's "game mode" through the software).
In other words, for gaming, you're better off sticking to the Hybrid.
Korova @ Oct 27th 2007 7:58AM
Ahh! Thank you, thank you.
dsub @ Oct 26th 2007 10:10AM
there are tons of devices like this out there, most of which work on PC's as well. I really don't see what's so special about this.
John @ Oct 26th 2007 12:01PM
I owned this device and it was TERRIBLE for gaming. I was a pretty avid halo 2 player, and the delay/lag was enough to the point where I absolutely couldn't snipe or pick headshots off with a battle rifle, I was always a second off.
Its weak, and I returned it. This is a bad solution. BTW, my mac is a brand new macbook pro, significantly more powerful than the powerbook listed here, with 2 gigs of ram.
Marc Thomas @ Oct 26th 2007 12:18PM
Does anyone know if this device can be used to record any incoming game signal? Basically, could I record my own gaming footage with this?
surge89 @ Oct 26th 2007 12:24PM
yes you can. If you read one of my above posts I mention that it is possible to record yourself playing games. I have done so with my eyetv. Keep in mind while recording the picture quality takes quite a hit.
Dave Silva @ Oct 26th 2007 3:42PM
It's quite possible, I can do this with my Gamebridge, which is pretty much the same as this... only less cool and for Windows.
-b- @ Oct 26th 2007 12:33PM
I have this also, although the european version. it works fine, but is there anyway to make the eyetv accept the widescreen format that the wii sends to it? The software doesn't seem to have a 'stretch' widescreen mode, so all games have to be played without widescreen.
On a side note, does anyone know why there are no s-video Wii cables in europe? or why ones ive seen on the web only work with NTSC consoles? I'd be interested in picking one up if it could make the picture on the eyetv any less 'blurry'.
Dave Silva @ Oct 26th 2007 3:43PM
This only proves Mac users get all the cool toys.
Seriously though, I'm surprised this company hasn't branched out to Windows. If the quality of their products is that good, then they could make millions of dollars if they tried to expand!
Xantar @ Oct 27th 2007 8:00PM
You're not getting lag? How?
I have the EyeTV Hybrid, but I use it mostly for watching and recording TV. I plugged in my Wii and found that it played with significant lag (enough so that it's impossible to hit anything fast moving in Metroid Prime: Corruption). My computer is a 1.8 Ghz Intel Core Duo iMac, so I don't think it's computer speed that's the problem. I may have to try again now that I've read so many other people saying they've experienced no lag, though. Still, this has me very confused. Even when off a fresh reboot with no other programs running, I still got very noticeable lag on my Wii games.
ogvor @ Oct 29th 2007 10:09AM
The problem I have with this method is how you have basically made you laptop the center of all your multimedia and are really, really relying on it. If it breaks, you can't do work, check the internet, or now even play your games. I had considered getting a gaming laptop and forgoing my Xbox 360 in college, but the fact that I was luging my computer around everywhere ment I was already risking it getting stolen or dropping it, so depending on it for games and schoolwork wasn't worth the risk in my opinion.
Juho @ Oct 30th 2007 4:29PM
I just bought eyetv250 for the sole purpose of playing my wii on my imac. I'm having some issues: I can seem the get the picture to display properly (http://tmp001.com/Picture14.png), as you can see the colors are totally off and interlacing is totally weird. Anyone had a similar problem?
Obiter @ Dec 17th 2007 8:12PM
I got the EyeTV Hybrid last Christmas to use on my MacBook Pro CoreDuo 2.0GHz and definitely experienced gaming lag when I tried it with a couple of SNES games. Maybe the software has been updated since. When I tried it though I found the lag is fine if you are playing an RPG or strategy game, but it is totally debilitating for playing sometime with really nuanced movement or split-second timing like Super Mario World.
Otherwise, yeah, EyeTV a really handy little piece of hardware to have in your Mac toolbox because it is so versatile and can record any type of signal you throw at it. And if you don't have a cable or satellite TV subscription, I've found that the EyeTV also works really well with an antenna and can even pick up crystal-clear HD broadcasts if you live close enough to the source broadcast.