Geriatric neck-snapping spy news now, with Konami of Japan announcing a delay in Solid Snake's arrival on the PlayStation 3. The press release coldly increments the previously expected Q1 release of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots to Q2 2008, sparing little thought as to the taste of bitter tears and follicle-wrenching pain we had to endure whilst reading it. There's some consolation to be found in the assurance that the delay will allow "further improvements to the quality of the game and provide even greater enjoyment for more customers worldwide."
Konami further promises that pushing Metal Gear Solid 4 into the April-June arrival window will ensure it "meets everyone's expectations." We certainly hope so, as our expectations have been sitting at the airport with nothing to do for years now but read interviews with Ryan Payton.
[Via PS3 Fanboy]
Reader Comments (135)
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 1:23PM GuyManDude said
Guys I'm a Cubs fan I let you use our motto.
There's always next year.
There's always next year.
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 1:42PM (Unverified) said
For goodness sake how many idiotic fanboys must there be in joystiq! I swear 95% of the people who post on this site are 360 or wii fanboys, doesnt that say anything to you. PS3 owners are "Cooler" then 360 owners as PS3 owners dont spend all day saying there console is better than yours on websites! You people need to stop arguing and do what you love! Play the Stinking games and enjoy them rather then think "Once im finnished this game i can rub it in --- owners faces so i can look smart"
A poll taken in the Uk revealed the top "Cool things" Playstation and Nintendo were in the top 10, Xbox wasnt on the list. PS3 is survivng on brand name. A lot of people i know say they want a PS3 and not an Xbox. Why? Because people are dumb. Xbox 360 is at the moment the best "Gaming" console. But the cool people arnt gonna know that! Only the unpopular and people who do rechearch know that. And the attch rate backs me up to. THere are 3 types of gamers:
VERY casual (people who have never gamed before)
Casual (Majority of last gen playters)
Hardcore (minority of last gen players)
A "casual" gamer doesnt buy much games but enjoys the traditional control scheme. The "very casual" gamer buys wii. The "hardcore" gamer buys next gen. The casual gamer and VERY casual gamer dont buy to many games thus the 3.5 attch rate for wii However it is the same for PS3. This means that casual gamers are the main people buying PS3's!
Casual gamers dont post online. Not many PS3 fanboys post
The attch rate for PS3 is of a casual gamer rate
The PS3 is "Cool" for casual gamers
All this points to the PS3 being a casual gamer machine. And we all know how the last casual gamer system did, 110 million UP. Once PS3 comes dow in price to a leval that is accepatable to the casual gamer then PS3 is the winner. It doesnt matter about what the better system is. Casual gamers dont ussaly rechearch what there getting so they buy on Brand name alone. If you go to a school you find that the nerds have a 360 and the cool kids WANT a PS3.
A poll taken in the Uk revealed the top "Cool things" Playstation and Nintendo were in the top 10, Xbox wasnt on the list. PS3 is survivng on brand name. A lot of people i know say they want a PS3 and not an Xbox. Why? Because people are dumb. Xbox 360 is at the moment the best "Gaming" console. But the cool people arnt gonna know that! Only the unpopular and people who do rechearch know that. And the attch rate backs me up to. THere are 3 types of gamers:
VERY casual (people who have never gamed before)
Casual (Majority of last gen playters)
Hardcore (minority of last gen players)
A "casual" gamer doesnt buy much games but enjoys the traditional control scheme. The "very casual" gamer buys wii. The "hardcore" gamer buys next gen. The casual gamer and VERY casual gamer dont buy to many games thus the 3.5 attch rate for wii However it is the same for PS3. This means that casual gamers are the main people buying PS3's!
Casual gamers dont post online. Not many PS3 fanboys post
The attch rate for PS3 is of a casual gamer rate
The PS3 is "Cool" for casual gamers
All this points to the PS3 being a casual gamer machine. And we all know how the last casual gamer system did, 110 million UP. Once PS3 comes dow in price to a leval that is accepatable to the casual gamer then PS3 is the winner. It doesnt matter about what the better system is. Casual gamers dont ussaly rechearch what there getting so they buy on Brand name alone. If you go to a school you find that the nerds have a 360 and the cool kids WANT a PS3.
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 3:36PM (Unverified) said
One of the electronics magazines I read, I think it was computer power user, did a top 100 most desirable electronics issue a few months ago, and guess what? Wii and 360 were both in there, while ps3 didn't make the list because some really cool featured alarm clocks beat it out.
Your opinions are ones we've heard from every fanboy coming down the pike trying to justify the PS3's superiority, but they still have one piece of hard evidence standing against them: Ps3s have been sitting on the shelf since the system has been launched. Wii is still sold out a lot of places coming into its second christmas, 360 was hard to find for over 6 months, and only dropped the price after an unprecedented 600+ days on the market. at this point sony is haveing trouble getting anyone to want their system bad enough to buy it, "cool person" or not
Don't misunderstand, I have all 3 systems and the one I play least is the wii, even considered selling it on ebay, but I want smash and pikmin 3, but if you are seriously going to try to say PS3 is the casual system this generation with the games available on XBLA and the wii, you need to have your head examined.
And saying the "cool" people want brand x just shows that you are a 12 year old fool. Get some hair on your pee pee and then try to dazzle us with your mastery of market forces.
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Your opinions are ones we've heard from every fanboy coming down the pike trying to justify the PS3's superiority, but they still have one piece of hard evidence standing against them: Ps3s have been sitting on the shelf since the system has been launched. Wii is still sold out a lot of places coming into its second christmas, 360 was hard to find for over 6 months, and only dropped the price after an unprecedented 600+ days on the market. at this point sony is haveing trouble getting anyone to want their system bad enough to buy it, "cool person" or not
Don't misunderstand, I have all 3 systems and the one I play least is the wii, even considered selling it on ebay, but I want smash and pikmin 3, but if you are seriously going to try to say PS3 is the casual system this generation with the games available on XBLA and the wii, you need to have your head examined.
And saying the "cool" people want brand x just shows that you are a 12 year old fool. Get some hair on your pee pee and then try to dazzle us with your mastery of market forces.
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 8:16PM MrHashbrown said
While I am a Sony follower, I have to agree with Synner. You just got to look at the facts. You can't just ignore them.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2007 2:07PM Lemmiwinks said
I guess the ten year plan refers to development cycles.
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 2:40PM (Unverified) said
~ the praystation 3 ~
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 2:27PM GoonieGooGoo said
Let's be honest....they aren't releasing it because the PS3 sales don't justify its release.
Until the PS3 hardware base is finally at an acceptable #...they'll release it.
I don't buy this "We're delaying it for quality BS"....
They may have an exclusivity window with PS3.....but it probably doesn't dictate when they have to release it.
So Let's say they release it in april-june 08....with A 6 month Window = A MGS4 XMAS FOR 360 OWNERS.
Don't be surprised if it happens.
Until the PS3 hardware base is finally at an acceptable #...they'll release it.
I don't buy this "We're delaying it for quality BS"....
They may have an exclusivity window with PS3.....but it probably doesn't dictate when they have to release it.
So Let's say they release it in april-june 08....with A 6 month Window = A MGS4 XMAS FOR 360 OWNERS.
Don't be surprised if it happens.
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 3:43PM (Unverified) said
I garauntee you all that if MGS4 would have been a multiplatform release from the beginning, it would have already been out by now, for all systems. This is just kanomi waiting for more ps3's to hit the market over the Christmas holiday.....
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 6:51PM (Unverified) said
Who says that more than 3/4 of ps2 owners are not casual gamers? The only way a console can be as successful as ps2 last season is by getting supports by those casual gamers. Although this gen it will be different because it's the games that sell consoles now not the other way around.
And then, ps2 didn't have any real competition when it was release so they capitalize on how much market the psone had to win it.
So now without ANY great games, the ps3 sure will suffer a lot from this delay.
And then, ps2 didn't have any real competition when it was release so they capitalize on how much market the psone had to win it.
So now without ANY great games, the ps3 sure will suffer a lot from this delay.
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 4:03PM ThornedVenom said
They're delaying MGS4 just to give the rumble guy more time to implement his magic. ;P
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 4:17PM (Unverified) said
@ Synner
Im not trying to say that the PS3 is the Casual platform onm the market. Im saying that people who want the PS3 are casual gamers
Im not trying to say that the PS3 is the Casual platform onm the market. Im saying that people who want the PS3 are casual gamers
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 4:34PM (Unverified) said
Casual gamers are buying the wii, sorry, a guy who buys madden every year isn't a casual gamer, the old people buying the wii are. And it seems from the sales #s that a lot of people casual or not actually DON'T want the PS3 or it'd be selling, meanwhile people are "buying" the systems they don't "want". Meanwhile your comment of going to a school and asking the "cool" people what they want is still retarded. The "cool" people in school must not make the buying decisions then because they sure seem to be doing more "wanting" than Buying, and in the end, it's all about the benjamins.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2007 4:25PM (Unverified) said
Oh and heres a link to the "Cool" Survey http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/xbox360/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20070913142659593006&release
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 4:47PM (Unverified) said
This thing was a survey taken in britian? Seriously? other things that didn't make the "cool" list: Modern Dentistry, Sobriety, men who act like men.
Yay culture war!!
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Yay culture war!!
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 4:44PM (Unverified) said
@Sinner by Casual if you read my first post i said their were 3 types of gamer
VERY CASUAL - People who buy wii
Casual - People who buy madden and stuff like that
Hardocre - People who buy next gen systems
Its the middle group that want the PS3, the hardcore know the 360 is a better "Gaming" platform. And the VERY casual know nothing about games and they buy Wii's. The reason PS3's not selling is because of its price. Remeber E3 2005. Most people thought the war was allready over UNTIL they reveiled the price. ITS THE PRICE THAT PUTS PEOPLE OFF. And the reasn i used the word "Cool" in my comments was because of the survey which was conducted which is Here:
http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/xbox360/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20070913142659593006&release
And for the PC mag top hundred list, who was it that choose the products? Hardcore or Casual?
VERY CASUAL - People who buy wii
Casual - People who buy madden and stuff like that
Hardocre - People who buy next gen systems
Its the middle group that want the PS3, the hardcore know the 360 is a better "Gaming" platform. And the VERY casual know nothing about games and they buy Wii's. The reason PS3's not selling is because of its price. Remeber E3 2005. Most people thought the war was allready over UNTIL they reveiled the price. ITS THE PRICE THAT PUTS PEOPLE OFF. And the reasn i used the word "Cool" in my comments was because of the survey which was conducted which is Here:
http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/xbox360/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20070913142659593006&release
And for the PC mag top hundred list, who was it that choose the products? Hardcore or Casual?
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 4:50PM (Unverified) said
admittedly it was the tech savvy, but I still would hardly take into account some school shit thinking something's "cool" before I buy it.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2007 6:15PM Supermanisdead said
"People who buy madden every year" would definitely choose 360 over PS3. I would say the elitist graphics whores are the ones buying PS3 because of "teh cell". Obviously someone who buys stuff like sports games and other simple stuff would buy the cheaper HD console over the HD console.
And as for that survey, it's because PS3 is a well known brand and most people who said it was cool don't even own one. Think about it, PS2 and PS1 were the 2 biggest home consoles ever... don't you think they would have cause some sort of brand name recognition?
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And as for that survey, it's because PS3 is a well known brand and most people who said it was cool don't even own one. Think about it, PS2 and PS1 were the 2 biggest home consoles ever... don't you think they would have cause some sort of brand name recognition?
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 4:50PM (Unverified) said
Yeah they wernt on the list cus kids at school dont talk bout Modern dentistry
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 4:55PM (Unverified) said
It was a little joke, but still. Schoolkids are not the ones making the buying decisions, people with disposable income are, and they are buying anything other than the PS3 and that is what is going to decide the outcome of this stupid console war. If Sony doesn't do something soon, 360 is going to be so entrenched they will never have any chance of getting around it. Remember, this isn't the dreamcast which had no EA sports for it. The type of casual you are talking about is seeing right now that the 360 has more games, better selection, and the games they are probably going to buy (madden) run better.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2007 4:55PM (Unverified) said
I didnt want to make anyone buy it. I just wanted to make a point :P
I have a 360 at moment Gamer Card "Silver Sabor"
My sis has a Wii
I will be getting a PS3 at christmas because its got some things i want
And then... My plan will be complete.
I have a 360 at moment Gamer Card "Silver Sabor"
My sis has a Wii
I will be getting a PS3 at christmas because its got some things i want
And then... My plan will be complete.
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 4:57PM (Unverified) said
Make sure you get heavenly sword and ratchet and clank, they are awesome
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Posted: Oct 31st 2007 5:02PM (Unverified) said
Yeah i think im getting heavanly sword and moterstorm in my package. Ill prob get ratchet. What you think of the games i will now show:
Mass Effect
Haze
K and L
HL2 ORANGE BOX
COD4
Assassins Creed
PES 2008
Uncharted:DF
The reason is that i have to choose only a few of those and i dont know hat ones to get. Oh and BTW the comment about the "hair on Pee Pee" was a bit of a low blow wanit?
Mass Effect
Haze
K and L
HL2 ORANGE BOX
COD4
Assassins Creed
PES 2008
Uncharted:DF
The reason is that i have to choose only a few of those and i dont know hat ones to get. Oh and BTW the comment about the "hair on Pee Pee" was a bit of a low blow wanit?
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 5:07PM (Unverified) said
Yeah, but it was funny :P
I am getting mass effect because I like bioware's stuff. I got Orange box, becauseI am more likely to finish HL2 on the console than the PC, I had HL2 and Ep1 both on the PC and spent too much time on the multiplayer to ever finish the story. Uncharted looks good, and assassin's creed, but I am going to probably rent the others first. I might even rent assassin's creed. I am actually kind of enjoying Conan.
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I am getting mass effect because I like bioware's stuff. I got Orange box, becauseI am more likely to finish HL2 on the console than the PC, I had HL2 and Ep1 both on the PC and spent too much time on the multiplayer to ever finish the story. Uncharted looks good, and assassin's creed, but I am going to probably rent the others first. I might even rent assassin's creed. I am actually kind of enjoying Conan.
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 5:24PM Mr Khan said
I feel for Kojima, i really do. He not only has the burden of creating the peak of perfection within his franchise, so that the franchise goes off on its most beautiful note (a situation he is sharing with Sakurai and Brawl, which has been consistently delayed for similar reasons) But he has the burden of his game being "expected" to be the best PS3 experience, a burden that Sakurai doesn't feel (since Wii is getting epic goodness from other quarters)
Personally, i think Killzone 2 is going to surprise us all and pull a Nintendo to astound and amaze
Personally, i think Killzone 2 is going to surprise us all and pull a Nintendo to astound and amaze
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 6:11PM (Unverified) said
this sucks. at least its closer to summer time, which means more time to play!
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 6:22PM Supermanisdead said
Are we still saying that Killzone 2 will be good because of the graphics and the PS3 power? Nobody has even played a build of it yet... let's not knock on wood like we did with Lair.
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 9:50PM Mr Khan said
I'm certainly not basing it off any facts, just a feeling
Everyone except the Sony faithful are counting Killzone 2 out, much like everyone but the Nintendo faithful counted them out pre-E3 06
People expected Lair to do well, and it didn't, people don't expect Killzone 2 to do well, and i think it may, but i'm just blathering
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Everyone except the Sony faithful are counting Killzone 2 out, much like everyone but the Nintendo faithful counted them out pre-E3 06
People expected Lair to do well, and it didn't, people don't expect Killzone 2 to do well, and i think it may, but i'm just blathering
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 7:41PM (Unverified) said
Hmm, maybe these Time Crisis 4 videos can keep you from losing your pants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf5kj-bvBlU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ISZ3HtwkAJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf5kj-bvBlU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ISZ3HtwkAJs
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 6:54PM (Unverified) said
I have to say, I don't want sony to win this gen but I don't want them cease to exist too.
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 11:44PM BananaBoat said
If it had been slated for Christmas season 07, and then pushed back to Q1 08, I'd have said "Great! I already have enough to play, and this way they can keep improving it!"
Unforuntatly I now have jack sh*t to play Q1 08, and now I'm wondering (Sony should take note of this) if I want to buy a freaking PS3 at all (MGS4 was really my only motivation....)
Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Unforuntatly I now have jack sh*t to play Q1 08, and now I'm wondering (Sony should take note of this) if I want to buy a freaking PS3 at all (MGS4 was really my only motivation....)
Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Posted: Oct 31st 2007 11:45PM BananaBoat said
unfortunately* rather
Posted: Nov 1st 2007 11:19AM (Unverified) said
anyone else think its funny that sony brags how they have free online play with the ps3 yet it costs the same for year subscription to xbox live and just the online component of their biggest upcoming title? not to defend microsoft by any means, those bastards nickle and dime ya ta'death.
Posted: Nov 1st 2007 2:20PM (Unverified) said
The extra time is needed so they can release it for the 360 too. :)
Posted: Jan 1st 2008 3:43PM (Unverified) said
Jeff, you play Heavenly Sword, Ninja Gaiden Sigma or Resistance? Not to mention all the basic 360 ports like Vegas and Oblivion. I think a tacked on MP may hurt games like these, imagine if Irrational spent X amount of time on a BioShock MP - it would take away from the greatest SP experience this generation... until RE5, at least.
Anyways, I didn't expect this game till May at the earliest.
Anyways, I didn't expect this game till May at the earliest.
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