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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 6:08PM (Unverified) said

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2 problems with this.

1) Wasn't the whole "Hot Coffee" incident caused by a hack?
2) Maybe I'm unclear about ratings, but isn't MA titles not supposed to be played by children to begin with?
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 6:12PM Colossalhat said

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1) Yes
2) Indeed

The problem is that the media and government officials still seem unable to understand that a greater portion of video game outlets card you when you buy a mature rated game. Thus making it a virtual nonissue, but logic has never been the media's or politicians' strong point.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 6:19PM Colossalhat said

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Bah, I just reread the article. Anyway, it seems that they rerated San Andreas because the hot coffee minigame was still in the game's code and was also not shown to the ESRB. Though it was only accessible through a hack.

This makes me wonder why they aren't doing the same with Manhunt, as the kills were obviously rendered at one time then blurred out, and all the hack is doing is removing this blur.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 6:23PM (Unverified) said

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Quick conclusion: video game sex is rated higher in the adult scale than video game violence. (I don't think Manhunt has censored out sex, does it?) Even if SA had to be re-rated, the fact that it's hidden behind a hack means that it shouldn't affect the ratings at all, UNLESS they're at different severity.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 6:59PM mrsnappergmailcom said

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The ManHunt 2 "hack" is quite different from Hot Coffee. In ManHunt 2 you have to download the full game illegally, hack the downloaded game, and run it on a modified PSP which is unauthorized by Sony.

So, instead of downloading a simple "activate" patch like Hot Coffee was, Manhunt 2 requires several illegal activities to perform the "hack".

IMO, it's clearly different.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 7:12PM (Unverified) said

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Just a correction: games uploaded from the internet come from their respective cartridge/miniCD/storage media they were originally from, though games with unique storage media generally require specialized hardware/software to extract. So theoretically the person who hacked the game to remove the filter could've gotten their game from actual products (though using illegal means to seperate software from media).
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 7:49PM R V said

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Yes, but all of us know its not rockstars fault that the content was unlocked, and the ESRB knows that Rockstar wasn't responsible, however everyone from media to parents wanted them to be punished for the incident( I think this is the way they feel). Also, they probably don't want the shitstorm that accompanies another hot coffee.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 6:27PM (Unverified) said

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It'd be funny if you could hack it so the main character, or one of his victims would look like Jack Thompson.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 6:49PM Shagittarius said

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murder simulators are so passe, the next big fad is rape simulators...

RockStar games presents: Manhole
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 7:05PM Slaziman said

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Haha, wow Shagi you've been getting in some good ones lately.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 10:54PM Foetoid said

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Manwhore would have been just as funny, starring Deuce Not-so-big-below.
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Posted: Nov 3rd 2007 2:56AM (Unverified) said

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Rapeplay. Or Rapelay. PC hentai game, only available in Japan where the entire point of the game is to rape and kidnap all the members of a family, and then keep them as your pets and rape them some more.

Rape simulators have actually been around for quite a long time, though they're moreso in Japan.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 7:01PM (Unverified) said

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Who the hell do they think they are, the RIAA? I'll mod any game that I paid for any damn way I please.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 7:08PM carg0 said

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please stop wasting our time with this shit. no one f%ing cares about manhunt 2 except the idiots in pop-media news. it's like every other goddamned post on this website is about this game.

ENOUGH ALREADY!
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 7:13PM (Unverified) said

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Except we're talking about ESRB now, and we care about ESRB.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 7:24PM carg0 said

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oh, it's about the ESRB you say? is it, now?

that picture of one man lighting another on fire, while still holding the tank really represents the ESRB quite candidly. what was i thinking?
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 7:41PM (Unverified) said

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Point is, everything there is to say about Manhunt 2 has already been said. The only thing new in this article is whatever ESRB has to say. That's what we're interested in.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 7:58PM harusame said

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Of course children should be protected from seeing ultra-violence and hard porn but I don't understand how it could be harmful to anyone of any age to see an "anatomically detailed topless female character". Does seeing a pair of boobs psychologically scar a child for the rest of their lives?

I guess it does, for surely the ESRB and the government know better than us, the lowly ordinary people.
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Posted: Nov 3rd 2007 12:45PM (Unverified) said

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I wish they'd apply the same logic to mothers whippng their titties out in the mall to breast feed as they do to boobs anywhere else.
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Posted: Nov 3rd 2007 2:38PM (Unverified) said

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My mom breastfed me. That's why I'm buying Manhunt 2. Scarred for life. I hate titties.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 8:18PM (Unverified) said

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This is ridiculous,the first manhunt was way more violent. If not for the media's coverage of the wii's version this game would not have been censored. it's not even that bad. you can check out the unrated video on my blog.

www.ares04.com
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 8:59PM drun said

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Every legal Manhunt2 player should be 17, and their parents shall allow them to play the hacked version after next birthday.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 10:09PM (Unverified) said

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"...and in no way brings the concept of a thrill kill to the Wii."

Um, last time I checked, this brouhaha was over the PSP hack and had nothing to do with the Wii.

Contrary to popular fanb... er, editor opinion, the gaming universe does not revolve around the Wii. The new name for 'game console' will not become 'Wii' ala Xerox for copies - much to the chagrin of the Nintendo faithful, I'm sure.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 10:31PM (Unverified) said

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Don't be a tool. The author was merely pointing out the fact that the reason this game has garnered so much attention is because of the Wii's motion controls simulating the act of violence, rather than pressing a button.

Not everything revolves around being hypersensitive.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2007 10:14PM Ruk said

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So, now that someone at the ESRB (ironically, a woman) has had the balls to just come out and say this, and deny the game's re-rating, can we finally call the whole "Hot Coffee" thing a dead issue? It's always been up to the parents to supervise their kids. It's like that's their job, or something.
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Posted: Nov 3rd 2007 1:02AM DomoBraden said

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Although short, I have to say that this article is very precise and to the point. You've covered all the major points without inserting any sorry attempts at humor and get your point across without any possibilities of misunderstanding....well except for the retards that make up about 98% of the internet's population, but that's neither here nor there.

Good job. Simplicity is truth at it's finest.
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Posted: Nov 3rd 2007 12:49PM (Unverified) said

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Oddly enough they had to rerate oblivion though? This is retarded
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Posted: Nov 3rd 2007 1:06PM (Unverified) said

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I usually support the ESRB, but this time I frankly can't make out the minute distinctions they are making.

In the Hot Coffee incident the code wasn't even part of the game. In this case its plainly vilible in the game, all they are doing is altering the visial effects. (like turning off Bloom in the options, almost).

In the Oblivion case they made the nudity visible by moding the game to remove the concealing clothes.
In the Manhunt case they made the violence visible by modding the game to remove the concealing filters.
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Posted: Nov 3rd 2007 2:16PM (Unverified) said

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If hacks now don't apply to re-ratings, can we get San Andreas' original version and Oblivion back to M and T ratings, respectively?
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Posted: Nov 3rd 2007 2:40PM (Unverified) said

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It's nice to see the ESRB grow some balls and tell parents "Watch out your kids can mod shit and that doesn't affect our ratings. Parent them or something you idiots."
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