Anyone who's spent even a little time rocking out to Guitar Hero III has likely noticed the game's heavy-handed approach to product placement, with stages littered with cans of Red Bull and billboards hocking everything from Axe Body Spray to Pontiac. The whole thing feels oppressive and graceless as even the game's underground rock venues are reduced to feeling like props to corporate shilling. And things are likely to get worse before they get better, as Activision today announced that it has inked a deal with Microsoft-owned Massive to provide in-game ads in not only Guitar Hero III, but Tony Hawk's Proving Ground as well.
The two titles have been added to the growing Massive Network advertising collective, which also includes Activision's Transformers adaptation, and will made to include "contextually relevant" dynamic ads. Interestingly, it's unclear if this partnership extends to all versions of the affected (afflicted?) games, or just those for Microsoft's console. What is clear, however, is that as games are now a big business, more and more companies are beginning to get in line for their slice of the money pie, and while game companies and advertisers reap the benefits of this arrangement, gamers are left holding the controller wondering just when their games became interactive commercials.
Reader Comments (46)
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 12:05PM (Unverified) said
hahahahahahahhaha and reduce their profits? lol we wish
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 2:35PM DWells55 said
Yeah, it really pisses me off to pay full price for a game only to have ads shoved in my face. Unless you want to pass those profits to the consumers, don't throw ads in our games please. They're often really annoying and kill the environment. I suppose if they're done right they'd be okay (for example, if players drive past a Wendy's in PGR where there would be a Wendy's in real life), but they never are.
Tony Hawk I don't care about because I feel that series went stale after THUG1, but I'm not happy about Guitar Hero. I assume these ads will be downloaded from a specific server? Hopefully it's a dedicated ad server. That way, I can do a little packet capturing, figure out the IP of the server, and then log into my router and block the IP. Should work.
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Tony Hawk I don't care about because I feel that series went stale after THUG1, but I'm not happy about Guitar Hero. I assume these ads will be downloaded from a specific server? Hopefully it's a dedicated ad server. That way, I can do a little packet capturing, figure out the IP of the server, and then log into my router and block the IP. Should work.
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 12:03PM (Unverified) said
don't hook up the 360 to the internet when you turn gh3 on and it won't update the ads
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 3:40PM (Unverified) said
I'm not sure, but I don't think this happens for Wii version of GH3 either. I don't recall any ads when I play.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 6:32PM (Unverified) said
Careful there, someone from Massive might read that comment and decide to put ads on the fretboards around the notes :)
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 12:08PM (Unverified) said
Wait, so the crappy cash-in third installment of a once-great rhythm game has sold out to advertisers for MORE money?
Say it ain't so.
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Say it ain't so.
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 12:09PM (Unverified) said
Well, back to Super Mario Galaxy.
I just made it to the "Diet Pepsi with Lime" Galaxy!
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I just made it to the "Diet Pepsi with Lime" Galaxy!
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 12:13PM Lemmiwinks said
"Didn't you have ad's in the 20th century?"
"Well sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio. And in magazines. And movies. And at ball games and on buses and milk cartons and t-shirts and written on the sky. But not in dreams. No siree!"
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"Well sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio. And in magazines. And movies. And at ball games and on buses and milk cartons and t-shirts and written on the sky. But not in dreams. No siree!"
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 12:14PM Negativecool said
What I really think is funny is that we'll start seeing (and have seen a bit already) 360 adds in PS3 games and PS3 adds in 360 games.
Competition is fun.
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Competition is fun.
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 12:48PM (Unverified) said
Can't say I'm surprised that Proving Ground has it, Guitar hero a little bit, but is it really that surprising? A game that draws crowds of people = great advert opportunity, though the guitar branding makes far more sense than the other stuff. The obnoxious demographic marketing of red bull and Axe body spray is getting pretty tiresome. Skate also featured a lot of advertising, but aside from Adidas (and Nike? Can't remember) pretty much all of it was completely skateboard oriented (no Coke ads) so it fit the game's context perfectly, not to mention they're much smaller companies that most people aren't bombarded with to the point of insanity. In that situation I think it's a win win because obviously for the companies advertising they're getting an integral placement in a (great) game that is making people want to take up skateboarding, I can't say I've ever wanted to start drinking energy drinks after playing Guitar Hero. The decks in the game are particularly relevant seeing how they mostly reflect the designs currently available by each manufacturer, so it allows the player to, in a way, research board components they like, at least from an aesthetic point of view, just by playing the game. I think a brilliant move on their part would be if in the game there was a 'buy this for real' option that would integrate with your Live account (or PSN account or whatever) to order the item you've been skating around with in Skate for 20 hours for real. Not that I crave this much ad penetration in games, but if I were an advertiser I would totally be doing this.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 1:11PM (Unverified) said
Can I get the audiobook version of your comment? Seriously, paragraphs FTW!
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 12:55PM mykie said
I just finished a Red Bull, and I'm popping in a stick of Wrigley's 5 gum right now.
In a minute, I'll be putting on some Axe and driving my Pontiac down to Guitar Center to buy myself a Gibson Digital, some Ernie Ball strings, Zildjian symbols, some Crate amps, and Mackie monitors and Line 6 pedals.
Because everything I learned about rocking out, I learned by playing Guitar Hero III. Thanks Activision/Red Octane/Neversoft/Vicarious Visions/Bubcat/Aspyr media!
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In a minute, I'll be putting on some Axe and driving my Pontiac down to Guitar Center to buy myself a Gibson Digital, some Ernie Ball strings, Zildjian symbols, some Crate amps, and Mackie monitors and Line 6 pedals.
Because everything I learned about rocking out, I learned by playing Guitar Hero III. Thanks Activision/Red Octane/Neversoft/Vicarious Visions/Bubcat/Aspyr media!
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 1:37PM Neon Jebus said
That thanks on the end there sounded like a regular NASCAR interview!
I hope they dig a lower attachment rate on the consoles. I think this ad issue is going to cause people to buy less and probably rent more.
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I hope they dig a lower attachment rate on the consoles. I think this ad issue is going to cause people to buy less and probably rent more.
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 1:13PM (Unverified) said
Firstly: What does the NAACP have to do with anything?
Secondly: These corporations can suck it. They'll go too far and the backlash is going to be immense.
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Secondly: These corporations can suck it. They'll go too far and the backlash is going to be immense.
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 1:59PM Colossalhat said
I foresee this point being in a game like Oblivion. A medieval style (or maybe a Star Wars) game will eventually get ads and all hell will break loose when it happens.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 12:58PM (Unverified) said
NHL 08 has some ads snuck into the game too outside of the hockey related sponsorships. I've recently seen ads for The Simpsons Game, IGN and McDonald's value menu. Sadly unlike the "standard" ads on the boards, someone thought that making all of these ads bright yellow would be helpful. It's too bad they didn't do a good job of making them look like "real" hockey ads.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 12:58PM (Unverified) said
70 bucks and ads? fuck off!
30 bucks and ads? hell, yeah!
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30 bucks and ads? hell, yeah!
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 1:16PM (Unverified) said
personally, I have no problem with in game ads, done right. if I see a coke machine instead of a Mr. Fizz machine, it only adds to the realism. It makes more sense to have real world items in games that take place in the real world. as far as making me buy anything, not gonna happen. now off to drink red bull in my pontiac.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 1:33PM (Unverified) said
Even GH sold out? that's a new low for rock dude...
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 1:43PM (Unverified) said
I don't mind adverts in games so long as they do not detract from the gameplay or immersion (billboards in BF2142 are fine so long as they only occur on shops or on highways which happen to be in maps).
But advertisers mustn't try and control what can happen to their in game products. If I see an in-game Macys or Coke machine I want to be able to rocket launcher it just like everything else.
I recall the licensed vehicles of old racing games which weren't allowed to suffer any damage even when driven into walls.
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But advertisers mustn't try and control what can happen to their in game products. If I see an in-game Macys or Coke machine I want to be able to rocket launcher it just like everything else.
I recall the licensed vehicles of old racing games which weren't allowed to suffer any damage even when driven into walls.
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 1:45PM (Unverified) said
It always made sense to me for NCAA Football to have the "Pontiac game Changing Moment" or any kind of sponsored thing like that because that's exactly how a REAL broadcast goes. My problem is not in the use of advertising in games it's the blatant use of ads where they don't belong that kills me.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 1:56PM blakbuzzrd said
Maybe when you suck at playing GHIII on the sponsored stages, you could get a different message when you fail, like "Investors deem you a revenue risk!"
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 2:05PM DiddlyKong said
I think the Mcrib Farewell Tour 3 ad is hilarious. I believe it's in the video shoot stage.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 2:30PM (Unverified) said
Maybe I'm wrong on this one,but for me, the beast
doesn't include selling out.
Garth, you know what I mean, right?
It's like people only do things because they get paid,and that's just really sad.
I can't talk about it any more.
It's giving me a headache.
Here. Take two of these.
Ah, Nuprin.
Little. Yellow. Different.
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doesn't include selling out.
Garth, you know what I mean, right?
It's like people only do things because they get paid,and that's just really sad.
I can't talk about it any more.
It's giving me a headache.
Here. Take two of these.
Ah, Nuprin.
Little. Yellow. Different.
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 2:48PM (Unverified) said
It's particularly ironic in Guitar Hero's case because a major theme of the game is that your band has sold out and you have to prove yourself to the fans again.
Of course, when you're rocking out in the Pontiac Challenge Stage with your Axe deodorant guitar, it sounds to me like the fans have made a good point about selling out.
Here's a trade-off: If they're going to be selling advertisement updates throughout the life of the game, why not make the downloadable songs free, or at least something cheap like $1?
Oh, wait. Because that would mean treating your consumers with respect.
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Of course, when you're rocking out in the Pontiac Challenge Stage with your Axe deodorant guitar, it sounds to me like the fans have made a good point about selling out.
Here's a trade-off: If they're going to be selling advertisement updates throughout the life of the game, why not make the downloadable songs free, or at least something cheap like $1?
Oh, wait. Because that would mean treating your consumers with respect.
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 2:58PM (Unverified) said
Isn't the Pontiac Garage a part of Jimmy Kimmel Live? I'm pretty sure that's where all of his musical performances take place during the show...from that aspect it kind of makes sense for the game i guess. But having an Axe guitar to play on? Or some gum banners all over the place? Come on!
It sucks that game prices haven't gone down thanks to the advertisers, but I can also understand that development costs have skyrocketed as well, and the advertisers' dollars work to keep the price in check, but bringing the price back down to $50 would make some of these "logo slaps" easier to digest.
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It sucks that game prices haven't gone down thanks to the advertisers, but I can also understand that development costs have skyrocketed as well, and the advertisers' dollars work to keep the price in check, but bringing the price back down to $50 would make some of these "logo slaps" easier to digest.
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 4:03PM (Unverified) said
Know what advertising really pisses me off?
I subscribe to pcgamer, the official Xbox magazine and CGW, and there is nothing quite like getting the call phone gaming minimag taking up 30 fucking pages of the magazine you PAID to read. I especially like how one time they had a NFS review and they had a screenshot on one half of the page, 20 pages of "cell play" and then the other half of the picture on the nex tpage, it was awesome.
I really hate this shit because in all honesty, if those shitty cell games were for the PC the PCGAMER review staff would make the interns sit in the dark with no food or water and review them while being lit on fire or something.
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I subscribe to pcgamer, the official Xbox magazine and CGW, and there is nothing quite like getting the call phone gaming minimag taking up 30 fucking pages of the magazine you PAID to read. I especially like how one time they had a NFS review and they had a screenshot on one half of the page, 20 pages of "cell play" and then the other half of the picture on the nex tpage, it was awesome.
I really hate this shit because in all honesty, if those shitty cell games were for the PC the PCGAMER review staff would make the interns sit in the dark with no food or water and review them while being lit on fire or something.
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 4:30PM (Unverified) said
you're so clever...i mean stupid. before you flame on someone maybe you should read what they wrote. i realize your pissed you had to send your 3fixme back to MS but you dont have to take it out on someone that likes the ps3 more.
oh and yes i know this is a different thread. i didnt expect someone such as yourself to go back to read a response.
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oh and yes i know this is a different thread. i didnt expect someone such as yourself to go back to read a response.
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 4:42PM (Unverified) said
No, not all of us are stupid assholes like you. And I have all 3 systems, I love the PS3, I just think you are a fucking retard. And your whole "I am not a fanboy" bullshit is exactly the thing you fanboys like to say to give your whining and crying like the little bitches you are some credibility. I can't wait until you are hit with the banhammer for trolling like all your PS3tard buddies.
PS. I had a circuit city warranty, when my 360 red ringed, I returned it for an elite...
I guess in another 7 years when my PS3 has the same play time invested in it my 260 did, we'll see if it's just as reliable a system.
Douche bag.
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PS. I had a circuit city warranty, when my 360 red ringed, I returned it for an elite...
I guess in another 7 years when my PS3 has the same play time invested in it my 260 did, we'll see if it's just as reliable a system.
Douche bag.
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 5:07PM (Unverified) said
Waah Waah, look at me!! I'm jp, so desperate for people to actually see my insightful and biting tro- I mean analysis, that I have to post replies outside of the original thread because everyone ignores me like the little fanboy I am.... Waah, PS3 will rule all you are all suxors.
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 7:47PM (Unverified) said
Remind me not to fuck with you ever.
You know, because the dual AK -47s are not enough clue already.
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You know, because the dual AK -47s are not enough clue already.
Posted: Nov 14th 2007 8:05PM (Unverified) said
Naah dude, you're cool. You get +'s just for recognizing the awesome that is the AK :)
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Posted: Nov 14th 2007 5:25PM CaptainRon said
HAHA! Lets see them put more ads in my PS2 version of GH3!!! Hooray for Last-Gen!!
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