Star Tribune: DS is easy to pick over the PSP

I used to have a PSP, and the battery lasted almost long enough for a productive bathroom break. My DS battery only needs charged once every Rapture.
There's that, and Zelda. There is no Zelda on PSP.

1-its not a bunch of movies and no games
2-nintendo may have failed us rarely but this is just awsome to have......The originality is a plus
3 of course the games
4- the online gameplay is alot more useful (i dont think i have ever used my psp to get online and play a game)



there is only one thing about the psp that beats the ds.......it's web browser is killer compared to the opera we get........but i wanted to buy a game system not a internet browser

Wow. It's n wonder so many people think the gaming media is in a total shambles. I've seen less flamebait-worthy topics on GameFAQs.

I'll say this about the DS and PSP: anyone who thinks that one is clearly better than the other is a fucking moron.

The two systems compliment each other perfectly. The DS may be great, but I think the fanboys who write for this site (and those who read it) tend to get so swept up in sales figures that they lose sight of the fact that the DS is far from perfect.

I like them both. What can I say? Their strong points are so different it's hard to even compare the two.

I like it because I've pressed enough buttons on the toilet in my life. I wanna rub and touch stuff on the toilet since I'm grownup now.

The only game that blew me away on the PSP is LocoRoco, I wish it came to DS too.. *hopes*.. The giant screen resolution on the PSP is nice too, but still.. It has too little diversity in games and doesn't have a touchscreen of course.. And a solid state memory system is always better then a mini-cd, I always hear people moaning about the loading time on the PSP.. It has better 3d graphics though, but the DS is quite capable of 3d as well, and I think limitations make a dev more creative.. I think the DS wins when you compare everything and probably because there are so many (good) games already available for DS..

Well, the PSP is alright, but it's more of a music/movies/internet sytem than a game system. Obviisly, the dS is a game system, so it's games are better. Plus, the little analog nub on the PSP is so annoying, cuz my finger always slips off!

I own both a DS and a PSP, and I'll agree that the DS has better games. However, the PSP is hands down the better piece of hardware. You get what you pay for. Don't rule the PSP out though, there's some fun stuff for it. (FFTactics, anyone?)

Fuck it...

The ignorance that is already displayed in this thread coupled with the ignorance that will no doubt be on display should be making the folks at Joystiq ashamed of themselves for ever posting this drivel.

I like them both too. Even if i did sell my PSP the slim does seem pretty interesting, the tv output feature seems cool and dont forget PSP has got some pretty amazing games to including Daxter, Burnout Legends(the DS version sucked), Loco Roco, Death Jr 1 and 2, Rachet and Clank, Crush, Metal Gear Solid: portable ops, GTA LCS, GTA VCS, Jeanne D'Arc and Loco Roco

ontop of that two more great games i know are going to be released are a custom version of Kingdom Hearts(DS has another one), God of War and of coarse Final fantasy Chrises Core.

It just annoys me that there are all these people trying to say the psp has no games when it clearly does, i am not a fanboy of psp or ds

Can i just ask out of intrest how many people actually like the Dual screen feature and would prefere it over a larger higher resolution widescreen display like the PSP(obviosly including touchscreen)

I was a total psp fanboy when the two handhelds came out, got one on day one. I just bought my DS 6 months ago. In those 6 months I've played more DS than I ever played PSP. I still like my PSP but it's games aren't really portable like the DS games are. You have to dedicate time to the psp games (loading); with ds you can just pick up and play many of the titles. Also the ds lite is just right for my pocket, the psp is not. I'd have to carry a man-purse to bring my psp with me.

it's cheaper
smaller
battery lasts longer
Nintendo Games (Mario, Pokémon, Zelda)
Did I say it's cheaper?

Remote play, Final Fantasy Tactics, and Disgea.
PSP all the way.

What I want to know is how Nintendo towers over hand held sales even back to the Gameboy/Game Gear days? That had a color screen, yet Nintendo trampled them. Are the games Nintendo has really that more appealling to other people? I mean I buy stacks of DS carts myself but I wonder how other people feel.

"I'll say this about the DS and PSP: anyone who thinks that one is clearly better than the other is a fucking moron. The two systems compliment each other perfectly."

Yeah well, the only problem is that the article is directed at parents who don't know anything about games and well, they're not going to buy *both* game systems for their little Johnny or Suzie.

So yes, for this audience, there needs to be a choice. One choice.

Pajama, there's no need to be so uptight. If we like the DS better than the PSP, so what? Is that a reason to get all mad and defensive? Chill man.


Anyhow, I do like the DS better than the competing systems. I guess for whatever reason that makes me a moron(?) I think the PSP lineup has come a LONG way since launch, but I don't think its quite diverse enough yet. The great thing about the DS is that I can have Advance Wars, Metroid Hunters, Mario Kart, and then a few rounds of Sudoku all on the same system. Perhaps I'll even take lawyering for a spin. Or upgrade my house in Animal Crossing. On any given day theres a lot of good, appealing games to choose from, plus the strong support of Nintendo through quality titles.

The DS just has a great lineup that appeals to me. Thats why I like it a lot. Its not perfect, no system is. But it offers the best portable gaming experience in this gamers humble opinion. Plus, I like the new direction its taking.

That's not to say that the competition doesn't have its merits. It just has very little that appeals to me.

@Pyjama: You still continue to post here and all that. Not only that, but you never quite justified WHY they equate each other. Don't simply assume that people understand your arguments. If you ever took English in high school you would know that.

The DS is a gaming system and it does a damn good job of it. The PSP is a multimedia gaming system that does as good a job doing what it's made to do. If it was solely a gaming machine, then the DS would win x-fold.

Now that wasn't so hard, was it sweetheart?

It seems obvious to me that not many people on this thread have homebrew enabled downgraded psps. I

I hate to point out the obvious. Slips in pocket, don't have to worry about the screen, has a nice handful of great games. The psp has the games but lacks the other two.

I hear some claim that the DS has better games.. they appeal to me more but I looked at some numbers and the psp comes out with more 5 star games, and more average games. DS has a higher percentage of games that are pieces of.. well.. you know.

Here are the numbers

DS Out of 333 games

green 25%
yellow 61%
red 14%

PSP Out of 335 Games

green 30%
yellow 63%
red 7%

This is based off of the average score given to the game over at metacritic.

And a lot of 360 fanboys say ps3 doesn't have good games. Well the thing is they are both even with five star rating games. That is only based of how many games they have and you look at their percentage of games that have a high score. 360 obviously has a lot more but it's been out longer.

oh did i just right that? Well... nevermind. DS has more 5 star games based on percentile of all there games combined. I wasn't paying attention. It's almost even I would say for both systems.. like it's almost even with the ps3 and the 360 but I'm sure the 360 has more 5 star exclusives than the ps3

I don't care about the touch screen or use of two screens versus a large wide screen. The only thing that I attracts me to a game system is the games available, I don't adhere to blindly following a game company or supporting one piece of hardware over another with outdated arguments and a lack of experience with what I could be arguing against.

I have both a DS and a PSP because they both have games I enjoy. Even were that not the case I wouldn't pretend one console is superior to the other because everybody has their own tastes and interests in terms of games and playing style. The lack of games argument against the PSP lost its validity quite a while ago. I play my DS more than my PSP only because the DS can play GBA games. Otherwise, my time with each handheld is fairly evenly distributed. Both systems offer good and bad games. It's daft to make a sweeping generalization about the quality of what's available for one system over that of another because there's no discernible reasoning behind such an assessment other than brand loyalty.

This rubbish about battery life (the PSP's battery does happen last SIX hours), the price (a new PSP-2000 model is $50 more than the DS, that's not even two games), and the graphics (the DS has a disconcertingly low limit on the number of triangles it can display) is irrelevant because it says nothing about the quality or playability of the games themselves. Both systems have a lot going for them, and both deserve a good look by anyone who cares more about the games they're buying than who distributes them.

My calculations suck.. I again meant the ds has more 5 star games.

Let's not talk about what you like about the ds and instead talk about how I'm a royal screw up. In the name of derailment.

Um well, I have both a DS and PSP. I enjoy my DS from time to time but I generally play my PSP a lot more. I don't understand why this article is this one track minded. I understand it's a DS site but there is no need to try to get ones opinion trying to convince the general public to believe that the Nintendo DS is "Obviously" a better system.

I spend more time on my PSP and personally I think the days of saying the PSP has no good games have been over for a while. It's a very fun system with it's own little problems here and there. Don't try to tell me the DS doesn't have it's problems either.

All in all though, these are both great systems! people would waste so much energy to rule out that the DS is better. You don't have to market the DS, you know.. Nintendo can do it themselves.

What makes me curious is that "Pajama Party!" is getting all wound up about this topic and is ranting about ignorance and flamewars, but he's the only one doing so. I'm seeing a lot of people put forth their reasons without expletives, without name-calling, without impassioned ignorance.

Pajama Party!, has it ever occured to you that these problems are actually being caused by YOU? Consider it. From my point of view, it honestly looks like YOU are the one trying to start a flamewar. Calm down.

As to the question at hand, I've never played a PSP but I do like the idea of a gaming system focused on gaming, rather than an all-in-one media solution. And I would get annoyed with long load times. And I have brand loyalty with Nintendo dating back to the NES days. (I still haven't forgiven Sony for their hand in Sega's demise, even though I know Sega mostly brought it on themselves. Rest in peace, Segata Sanshiro; your sacrifice is not forgotten.)

And I like that Nintendo's DS advertising stresses inclusivity. The new Mario Party DS ads always show two or more people playing together. The commercials for PSP ("Dude, get your own!") strike me as antisocial and mean-spirited.

Like most of us now-a days, I too have both systems. The PSP and the DSLite.

I personally play the PSP more cuz I like more mature strategic games eg. MGSP Ops, Syphon Filter, and Socom; and to include racing games like Juiced, Burnout and so fourth. But that's "my" preference.

So far the only reason I bought a DS is cuz my GF wanted one so we both bought one. The games are easy to pick up like Brain Age and its different. But most of them lose their fun-factor pretty fast since they are mostly mini-games. When at work I use the DS more since it's built as a clamshell for fast stow-away and Zelda and Dementium came out. But for my free time I play my PSP, with Monster Hunter Freedom 2

He was obviously trying to get a reaction out of someone by posting about how he hates DS fanboys on a site called DS fanboy, but seeing as how no one bothered to reply to his rant I guess he got mad.

I really love my DS, I have some great games on it I wouldn't find on PSP. That said, there have recently been games on PSP that I'd really like to play, too. I think there's room in the market (and in my life) for both handhelds, and I hope to acquire a PSP sometime soon as well :)

Kind of a stupid comparison-- most people own both systems and the games are completely different. If I were buying a single system for children it would be a DS, due to the lower cost and more games made for children.

Personally, I play my PSP more than my DS these days. In addition to the PSP's hardware being obviously better, the current crop of games from the PSP is also very solid, whereas there haven't been that great of releases on the DS in some time. It's sort of a moot point though, because the good PSP games will never come out on the DS, and the good DS games will never come out on the PSP.

So, if you want to be a 12 year old emo anti-Sony fanboi and deprive yourself of Silent Hill 0, Jeanne D'Arc, and all those other PSP games that are actually quite fun... well, your loss, not mine.

The ds is way better than the psp. I mean come on
the screens,the batterylife,the features,games.DS
rules.

I had a PSP for about a year, and I enjoyed the games I played on it...but somehow, the DS is more "fun." No other way to explain that other than I have more fun playing the DS...especially with others. Also, I never, never, never had the chance to even play a single multiplayer game of anything while I owned a PSP...

i have a psp and a ds,i have an r4 card as well and i play my psp alot more.i live in england and ds is £100 and psp is £130 so i dont see a major price gap.and now there is playstation network,ps1 games for only £3.49 each,even the ps1 games have better graphics and gameplay than ds.i think that the ds has really rubbish games,the only thing making the ds sale is games like mario and zelda, personally i cant be bothered with slow paced zelda.also people keep comparing the size of ds lite to psp-1000,thats unfair,compare psp slim to ds lite and now thats fair.psp is a better gaming console,even if it didnt have internet,podcasts,video,music and pictures i would still pick psp over ds anyday.one last thing psp games are going to be almost half the price of ds games as you can download the psp games from playstation network now.

I don't think it is the games... Sure, the DS has more high-rated games, but the PSP has a very decent collection too. As far as gameplay go, you won't miss the DS games if you play a PSP.

But the real selling point for the DS over the PSP is its portability. The system is better engineered for on-the-go playing:

> longer battery life,

> you can simply close it at any moment and open it later to continue playing right where you left off,

> shorter loading time with compact flash cards,

> of course, its size, which actually fits in your pocket!

There is something to be said about its tactile style of playing with the stylus, but that doesn't work with half the games... it is good, but not its strongest selling point.

I have owned both for quite some time and for me personally, the DS is the better "handheld gaming system". I don't want to watch movies or listen to music on my "handheld gaming system". I just want to have it in a pocket, be able to pull it out, waste 15 minutes to a few hours playing a FUN game and then move on to something else in life.

I am in my early 30s so my view could be a bit biased although you would think I would dig the PSP more.

I often have the PSP and the DS on me at any given time during the day and 9 out of 10 times I grab the DS to play a game.

I agree with the comment above about Loco Roco. It was a genius game, both fun, addictive and enjoyable in small spurts of time or even an hour or so.

If you compare just the hardware I could see how the PSP wins hands down as the screen is beautiful and the games CAN look and play amazing.. Thing is, when it comes to utiilization it just seems the DS is better IMO.

The DS never makes me charge it fully AND update my firmware every 7.3 times I play the dern thing. When I pick up an handheld gaming system I want to open it, play, close it and move on.

Don't know why I prefer it over the PSP but it is DS hands down for me.

Has anybody noticed how ridiculously difficult it is to play games which require precision, like Trauma Center, on a car or bus ride? The DS isn't the ultimate portable gaming device because it restricts its own playability on some cases.

Xian B., if you paid attention to what Pajama Party! wrote you'd notice he isn't citing any taunts on either side but the blatant discrimination against the PSP via incorrect logic: "I used to have a PSP, and the battery lasted almost long enough for a productive bathroom break," "There is no Zelda on PSP," "its not a bunch of movies and no games," "It has too little diversity in games and doesn't have a touchscreen of course." These comments which stem from loyalty to Nintendo are grossly exaggerated or entirely untrue. It's fairly obvious that Pajama Party! is remarking on the lack of realistic arguments.

I think it would prudent for anybody who's inclined to make a comment such as "the DS has better games," or "the PSP has no games," or "PSP games are worse because the PSP doesn't focus only on gameplaying" to research that which they are in opposition to. The PSP has plenty of good games, just as the DS has plenty of good games. The PSP also has plenty of rubbish just as the DS has plenty of rubbish. However, the suggestion that PSP games will inherently be worse because the PSP is also capable of playing movies and music is entirely illogical. Game developers don't produce movies or music, it's stupid to suggest that a developer would produce a game of lesser quality because somebody may be inclined to watch a movie on a long car ride instead of playing a game. Someone might also be inclined to read a book or go to sleep. Both systems have their own unique advantages and drawbacks, but to suggest one is superior to another with outdated arguments (honestly, the PSP has quite a lot of games now) is ludicrous.

The DS has Zelda, the PSP has Disgaea. The DS has Super Mario 64, the PSP has Lumines. The DS has Hotel Dusk, the PSP has Valkyrie Profile. The DS has Hannah Montana: Music Jam, the PSP has.... :P I watched anime on my PSP on the way to a museum a few days ago because I was ticked off at Etrian Odyssey. :P You'll notice that most of these games don't directly parallel each other no matter how you try to mix and match. Both systems have their own worthy titles and neither are plagued by rip-offs of products available for the opposition. Everybody is going to have their own opinions and interests in terms of games but it would be best if those who own either console were to educate themselves on what's available on the opposing handheld because most of the arguments posed have no relevance in terms of the quality of the games. If you're blinding yourself to what's available then you're potentially missing out on quite a bit regardless of which handheld you own.

And for the hell of it, the PSP's easily scratchable screen equates to the DS Lite's easily broken hinges. I have a PSP-2000 (a sexy black and reduced load times due to twice the RAM) and a manly style DS (a sexy silver and sturdier hinges), they're both the best of what's available in terms of hardware.

Regarding the games.....

PSP has some great games like...
WipeOut (in my top 3 of BEST handheld games)
Loco Roco
Syphon Filter:Dark Mirror (possibly a better MP lobby than many 360 games - too bad the MP gameplay can't live up to it)
Lumines

There are some other popular PSP games that I personally just don't enjoy even though they are popular.. I just am not willing to play with shoddy mechanics JUST to play the game.. (GTA, Burnout, Daxter, etc)

DS has some great games like...
Zelday - Aboslutely brilliant and mechanics are near flawless
Mario Kart - Fun, fun and then just plain fun.
Kirby Canvas Curse - more brilliance..
New Super Mario Bros..
Advance Wars Dual-Strike (can kids REALLY win at this game, if so, they deserve a degree as this game can be brutal)
Planet Puzzle League - Better than Meteos, Lumines AND Tetris DS in my opinion

Again, there are some popular DS games that I refuse to play due to shoddy mechanics.. Meteos (just friggin flip up and down and you can score), Tetris DS just isn't the same as the original, etc.

Oh, if you have EITHER system and have not tried Puzzle Quest.. oh my what fun and addiction is involved..

There are games on both but I just enjoy the DS more for some reason.

Trauma Center on the DS (on a bus, train, john, etc) made my dogs nervous as they thought I was going to beat them while TRYING to play that game...

I DON'T WANT TO INJECT ANOTHER VIAL EVERY 1.7 SECONDS WHILE TRYING TO DO 5 OTHER THINGS...

could be just me but Trauma Center was a PITA.

I'm going with:

Cheaper
Smaller
More games
Unique interface
Not just a portable version of something in my living room.
Backwards compatible (Currently playing Doom II for GBA)
Faster loads.



Let's not forget that the PSP's best games keep getting ported to PS2.

Great PSP Games:
Medal Of Honor Heroes 1 And 2
Syphon Filter Logan's Shadow
Burnout Legends And Dominator
Madden (Every Version)
Ratchet And Clank Size Matters
Ace Combat X: Skies of Deception
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
Lemmings
Final Fantasy 1 Anniversary Edition
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories And Vice City

And those are to mention a few...
I have a DS and a PSP, PSP games are better.
I homebrew with my DS mostly, but haven't picked it up
in months. I own only 2 DS games, Mario Kart and
New Super Mario Bros. I only like one other DS game
that I don't own, and that's advanced wars. I've tried other
games like Zelda and Metroid, but they're no fun.

Common ... I thaught that all normal person knows that neither is batter than the other . The PSP is more expensive , its has less games for the younger audience , and its just a to complex machine for many kids . On the other hand , as someone who had allready passed the 18 years , I say that the PSP has a batter gamelineup for me . And no , I dont only mean M games ( Wipeout , Burnout , Silent Hill , Daxter , Ratchet , Syphonfilter , LocoRoco , GTA , FFCC , Pursuit Force , Metal Gear Solid PO etc. ) .

In the same time the DS is cheaper , simpler , and it has a much more apealing software lineup for the younger crowd ( Mario , Pokemon , Brain Training games and other non-games , Kirby , party games etc. ) . That doesnt means that it has a weak lineup ... contary , but for me there are ~5 games on the DS that have any apeal to me ( Metroid , Zelda , Resident Evil , FF3 , NSMB ) while the PSP has at least 25 games that I want ( I have at this point over 40 games for it , and Im trading/buying all the time ) .

The PSP is selling well to , batter than huge hits like the SNES , N64 , Sega Genesis , Xbox etc . , just that its not selling as good as the DS . The DS is a new Ipod ... its slick , it has great apeal for many and its at an affordable price . Its now the fastest selling console of all time , and seeing that the PSP holds ~1/3 out of the handheld market with a huge rival as the DS is not something small :)

Since this article is about flamming the PSP, ("How we love your misinformed nature and incredible ability to point out the obvious." "We will agree that choosing between the DS and PSP is a lot easier than choosing between the current generation of consoles," "Why do you think it's better than the PSP (we have a feeling you're going to say "the games")? ")
I've got stuff to say about the DS. Which by all means seems fair judging how the writer ignorantly, unpretentiously, and scornfully mocked the PSP.

I have a DS and I try really hard to not scratch the touch screen but games like Zelda, make that impossible. The hinges are a problem, my friend's DS broke that way. It hurts your hands to play games like 007, because of the crappy control scheme. The DS lite, (which is what I have) is just a magnet for fingerprints, you can't keep it clean! And for online games, you have to be really close to the hotspot to play the game, as opposed to some games on PSP. (Ex. Medal of Honor Heroes 1 - You can run online at 50% with no lag!) And tons of games are ported onto the DS too, not just the PSP. (Ex. Super Mario 64 DS, 007 Rogue Agent, etc.) And anyone who says the PSP doesn't have great games obviously is an ignorant "Place your own expletive here." You obviously haven't invested the time in finding great games, or haven't even touched a PSP. (Am i getting warmer, to describing Ignorant DS fans?) Well, I'm sick of spelling it out to you DS fans, and I'm tired of running with a vain cause. DS fans will always be ignorant.

to:tom.b

instead of trying to insult my typing mistakes, like a young ds fan that you so obviously are, try a psp and feel what its like to play a ps2 on a handheld instead of a touch screen snes.

I love my DS...

I use my GnM card to listen to music on the way to work in the morning.

Thanks to DSOrganize, it becomes my PDA for the workday.

When I get home I use it to read my email, check some blogs and do a couple of crosswords.

Then when I want to unwind... oh, that's right... it plays games, too!

Love it. Love it. If it broke, I'd buy a replacement in a second!

PSP has some good games.

But DS has *piles* of great games.

And most importantly: DS has Tetris. That was decisive factor to me.