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Posted: Nov 27th 2007 4:05AM (Unverified) said

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@ Mr. Khan

I loved Eureka Seven as well.
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Posted: Nov 27th 2007 4:30AM D3m0sthenes said

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People only hate NGE if they are not able to think outside the box, I mean if you just took it as a Mecha anime it's OK... but it's incredible on so many deeper levels. The last two episodes are my favorite, alot of people hate them with a passion... so... yeah

I'm not a huge fan of Anime (I used to run around yelling Kamehameha back in the day though...), but, IMHO NGE is the best "Media" I have ever witnessed.

The games industry needs an NGE type of game. (To really turn peoples conception of games upside down)

Oh yeah, this game looks good...ugh it's a JRPG... Random battles FTL...
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:03PM (Unverified) said

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Granted, this looks fantastic and I'll probably end up owning it, but...

I'm amazed by people who say "I'll buy this regardless of quality." Why? Look folks, that's stupid. If you've gone the full year only owning a Wii, I truly pity you. It's a complimentary system at best right now. The VC, Mario, and Metroid are truly fantastic, but you can't live by those alone.

This isn't an actual war. You're just stupid if you only support "one side." If you can't afford both then fine. But if you're buying crap software for a system you "support" instead of saving for another that actually has games you might enjoy more in addition to what you have on your current console, then that's just plain stupid.

And no, it doesn't only apply to Wii-only owners. I know plenty of PS3 folks and 360-only folks who do the same thing, on internet and off.

Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:15PM Crono141 said

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Never said I supported "one side", just that I support real meaty games. If nobody buys meaty games on the wii, even if all the wii gets is crappy meaty games, then the message publishers get is "meaty games don't sell on wii" not "we need to make better meaty games".

The elitist gamer attitude of "I'll only buy AAA titles" is what killed 3rd party support on the GC. If we want games that are truly deeper than "Shoot the target" or "Cook some ramen", then we need to put up when someone does so, or shut up when developers abandon the platform.

Now, after we get a flow of meaty games that have good and bad games mixed, then we can be a little bit more discerning in our tastes.
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:30PM (Unverified) said

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I don't think I was responding directly to you, but I see plenty wrong with what you're saying here.

Firstly, I don't think that is at all what killed the Gamecube. A book could be written on the many factors that kicked it to the curb. Shifting of major staff in Nintendo, poor policies and dealings with third parties... there's plenty. And I loved that thing.

Secondly, why on earth would it be an elitist to say "I won't put up with crap?" We can all GET games that are deeper than "Shoot the target" and "Cook some ramen." This was a freaking fantastic fall for games, and you CAN be discerning in your tastes.

Again: Why spend cash on crappy games to "show developers that the wii can support meaty games" when you can just freaking buy an Xbox or PS3 and get the meaty games you crave? Or, hey, buy a copy of Zack and Wiki and support GOOD game design on the Wii. Meaty crap is still crap.
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:39PM (Unverified) said

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Oh, my mistake. Looks like I WAS responding directly to you.
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:40PM Crono141 said

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Yeah, I could just forget the wii is capable of fantastic games beyond Mario and buy games elsewhere, but no other console has the perfect FPS control scheme or overall platform innovation that Wii has.

I want point and click adventure games back, real survivor horror, JRPGs, WRPGs, all using the interface on the wii. Because if Wii succeeds, Virtual Reality is right around the corner.
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:53PM (Unverified) said

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Hay, here is an idea. How about that perhaps that the Wii only owners do not like many of the games for the 360 or PS3. LIKE ME!

Look at it this way, I did not buy a DS or a PSP at launch. I only buy a system that has at least 5 games I want for it and has more in the future that I like. DS ended up getting a TON of games I liked around the DS Lite time, PSP got jack. Thus I own a DS Lite.

So....I do not like Halo. Or Ninja Gaidain. Final Fantasy sucks after VI, Ratchet & Clank is a Pixar Movie without the quality or the soul, ect.

Getting rid of all that, lets look at the games I would want for the other two consoles:

PS3: Resident Evil 5, Little Big Planet

360: Resident Evil 5, Viva Pinata (might get this on PC)

That is it. Two games. Wow. Out of all the games available the only non-generic and interesting stuff they could come up with...is two games? One that is multi-platform to boot? Meh. Not for me.

Now lets look at all the Wii games I own:

-- Wii Sports (DUH!)
-- Wii Play
-- Rayman Raving Rabbids
-- Scarface: The World is Yours
-- Metroid Prime 3 Corruption
-- Madden 08
-- Zack & Wiki
-- Manhunt 2
-- Battalion Wars 2
-- Metal of Honor Heroes 2
-- Super Mario Galaxy

I have 8 games so far. I have 15 others that I want this year, I am either saving up for them or allowing people to get me them for gifts. If you also counted I have as 5 Nintendo games and 6 3rd Party games, thus I actually own more 3rd Party games than first party. In fact most of games I want are 3rd Party Games.

Now add in the Gamecube backwards compatibility (I owned an X-Box last year so I never experience the wonderful Gamecube games), my 11 VC games (more 3rd Party ones again) and all the minor functions of the Wii that I use every day.

What god did I please? XD

So for me, Wii is an instant buy. Unless Microsoft and Sony start putting out shit that I will actually like, stuff that is not FPS Game 3758375 or RPG 47395583993 and is not all "HARDCORE IN YOUR BALLS YEA!!!" then I will end up owning one of the other two in the future. Until then...

Wii would like to play! :D
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:55PM (Unverified) said

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I'm not forgetting that the Wii CAN do those things. I've played wonderful examples of many. But your arguments above basically state that you need to buy a whole lot of fertilizer to get flowers. Consoles are not gardens, my friend. If you buy crap, you can only expect more crap because the companies who hawk it will know that they can get away with it.
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 5:10PM (Unverified) said

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Sidepocket, did you even comprehend my argument?

If you're happy with what you're getting, then you're all set. I don't see you saying that you're going to buy crappy games simply because they represent a genre you might like to see a quality title in later on. Hell, if you buy crap and enjoy it, well... ignorance is bliss, right? You're not really part of the argument.
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 5:25PM arrrgh said

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THANK YOU Sidepocket!!@!#!@#!

Every single Final Fantasy after FF6 DOES, indeed, MASSIVELY SUCK NEGLECTED RHINO DICK

i thought i was alone on that :)
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 5:26PM (Unverified) said

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I remember buying so many shitty games for N64 because I was convinced that Playstation would bomb like 3DO.

Yeah, it was about the time of Metal Gear Solid, Ridge Racer Type 4 and FF7 that I realized I had been cheering for the wrong team.
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:12PM (Unverified) said

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This was my reaction:
"A post-apocalyptic world" *smiles widely*
"starring a young boy" *frowns completely*

Please, we need some heavy post-apocalyptic game. I don't really care for the typical anime-style kid saving the world. I really would prefer one guy getting his ass out of danger, but the world is still torn to pieces.

Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:16PM Crono141 said

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Disaster: Day of Crisis is sounding like its more your style.
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 5:28PM (Unverified) said

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As long as that doesn't get HAMMER'd too.
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 5:32PM Mr Khan said

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It shouldn't be

Project HAMMER was crunched because they needed NST (Nintendo Software Technology) to work on something else, however Disaster is being made by a different team with nothing better to do, Monolith Soft, to whom that kind of game comes naturally
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:12PM (Unverified) said

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Translation:
Voice: "Look. A firefly..."
Text/Voice: "The planet..."
Text/Voice: "...so broad and vast..."
Text/Voice: "There are so many people in this world..."
Text/Voice: "Then why do I feel so alone?"
Title: "Fragile: Farewell to the Ruins of the Moon"
Text: "To those who felt this way before."

Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:15PM Lemmiwinks said

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What? We're this close to Christmas and Joystiq neglects to make a joke about "Fragile" and "A Christmas Story?"

c'mon boys! You're losin' yur edge!

Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:17PM Crono141 said

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Must be Italian.
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 5:09PM Mr Khan said

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Funny, Fragile always reminds me of this one episode of the Rugrats, the one where Susie Carmicheal and family move in

Crash
"Hey Ed! What's Fra-gee-lay mean?"
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 5:32PM Lemmiwinks said

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"Fragile always reminds me of this one episode of the Rugrats"

Ah, the joys of generation gaps.
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 7:09PM Mr Khan said

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Nah, thanks to the wonders of 24-hour christmas story christmas day marathons, i am totally versed in references to that movie

"It's a major award."
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 7:32PM Lemmiwinks said

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"Aunt Clara had for years labored under the delusion that I was not only perpetually 4 years old, but also a girl."
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:24PM (Unverified) said

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I'm excited about this. Are there any other existing or upcoming RPG titles for the Wii?

Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:24PM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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I have to say, that looks pretty damn cool!!!

Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:28PM RobAccomando said

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I bet the young boy is sleeping in the beginning of the game and his sister or mom is yelling at him to wake up. And/or he suffers from memory loss.

Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:37PM Railgun said

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woot. Young characters for RPGs are awesome. I don't want to play as some old guy.

Posted: Nov 26th 2007 4:42PM Crono141 said

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Old guy for JRPGs is like, 35.

Cid Highwind in FF7 was the "old guy", he was in his 30s.
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 5:10PM Mr Khan said

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sez the guy with the pedobear avatar...
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 5:09PM samfish said

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Looks like ass, but hopefully they'll clean it up before it's released.
Not really enough to go by, otherwise, besides the cool title. It looks like they really nailed the 'ruined' part, though. Most of the time, post-apocalyptic in games seems to mean some old debris strewn about in the streets or high tech (and green/blue). This actually looks destroyed.

Posted: Nov 26th 2007 5:18PM (Unverified) said

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I dunno, I'm not down with the stuff about the character that's been un-earthed so far, but these graphics look pretty fantastic to me. Real sense of style, and I think they're pushing the system pretty hard.

I could be wrong though. I'm very interested to see more footage as it pops up.

Also... flashlight controled by Wii-Mote? I hope so!
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 5:33PM Mr Khan said

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Character models and textures look stale, but environments look beautiful
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Posted: Nov 26th 2007 5:13PM (Unverified) said

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That looks like the background video for Tentaikansoku from Drummania 4th Mix.

Posted: Nov 26th 2007 6:30PM (Unverified) said

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If it's not a random encounter, turn based RPG, I dig it :D

Posted: Nov 26th 2007 6:38PM motang said

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Sweet bring on the RPGs! :-D

Posted: Nov 26th 2007 11:31PM (Unverified) said

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cool i like rpgs, and this could be really well done since its being made in japan. I hope graphics don't stay the way they are, they look like ps2 stuff now which is not impressive. More traditional games are always a great thing for Wii

Posted: Nov 27th 2007 7:51AM (Unverified) said

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Upon reading the description, I got the "could this be the next FF7?" goosebumps, but to be honest, after viewing the video, it became more of a "that reminds me of BoF: Dragon Quarter, so I'm going to curl up in the corner and hope the voices go away" kind of feeling.

Don't get me wrong; it's great to see the Wii getting some solid support from more than just classic throwbacks and mini game mashups, but I was hoping for something with a bit more of an original formula. The "young boy has to solve the world's greatest mystery" thing doesn't do it for me anymore. And I'm sure a lot of gamers are in the same head-space.

Could still be promising of course, but I'm not going to hold my breath for it.

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