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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:44PM vgxtremist XBLA IllWill3387 said

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Something like this was needed, but the damage has been done. The evidence points to foul play, and we know we won't a true, non-PR statement. Anyway, it was cool to see gamers come together to get answers, yay us.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2007 10:18AM (Unverified) said

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Answers?

""The accusations in the media that it has done so are unsubstantiated and untrue."

If they want to prove this, rather than just asking the public to believe them on their merits (sure, sure), then they should publicize the reasons for Jeff's firing.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2007 4:02PM (Unverified) said

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"they should publicize the reasons for Jeff's firing."

In grown-up land you can't actually do that.
It wouldn't help anyway, who would believe an "official motive"?

Can someone post a link to a repost of the official statement? I'm still in Blackout Millennia with Gamespot and I wouldn't want to break a 7 year streak just to read it.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:44PM Fox318 said

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Look, they can try but they still can't convince me.

When former employees come out and say leave the site. They should have just said

What kind of site locks a man who worked at their company for 10 years and then gives a tribute to him 4 days later.

Oh and you have got to love this quote:
"GameSpot is an institution, and its code of ethics and duty to its users remains unchanged."

So now your saying the Kane and Lynch Review was not alone? Talk about shouting your integrity.

I'm allergic to bullshit.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:54PM JonahFalcon said

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Hi! Welcome to the Real World! In this industry, people are lucky to remain with a magazine or major site for more than TWO years.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:59PM copa said

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You're being too hard on them, Fox318. I found their statement to be very straightforward. Read closely:

After over a decade in a variety of editorial roles, Jeff Gerstmann's tenure as editorial director has ended by getting his ass locked out of his office.

"Jeff was a central figure in the creation and evolution of GameSpot, having written hundreds of previews and reviews, and anchoring much of our multimedia content," said Ricardo Torres, editorial director of previews and events. "Which makes it kind of surprising that we locked his ass out of his office."

"The award-winning editorial team he leaves behind wish him nothing but good luck in his future endeavors. Which is why we provided an armed escort to ensure his safety out to the company parking lot."

Contrary to widespread and unproven reports, his exit was not a result of pressure from an advertiser. It was actually pressure from multiple advertisers.

"Neither CNET Networks nor GameSpot has ever allowed its advertising business to affect its editorial content," said Greg Brannan, CNET Networks Entertainment's vice president of programming. "We are looking all over for that video review, and I promise we will post it just as soon as we find it. We are also improving our security procedures to foil those damn hackers that edited our text review. You know, those hackers must really love Eidos."

"Though he will be missed by his colleagues, Jeff's leaving does not affect GameSpot's core mission of delivering the most timely news, video content, in-depth previews, and unbiased reviews in games journalism," said Ryan MacDonald, executive producer of GameSpot Live. "GameSpot is an institution, and its code of ethics and duty to its users remains unchanged. Can I keep my job now?"
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 11:26PM WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco said

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copa nominated for post of the year
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Posted: Dec 4th 2007 9:01AM SSUK said

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I love you copa, can I bare your children?
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Posted: Dec 4th 2007 10:16AM Booxatron said

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Wow ssuk, he writes a clever comment, and now you want to undress his children? Yikes. =p
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:45PM (Unverified) said

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Until they put Gerstmann's video review of "Kane and Lynch" back up, I won't believe any denials they make regarding advertising pressure. Also, if both Gamespot and Gerstmann agree to release the confidentiality agreement (and it's sounded to me like Gerstmann is willing to talk), shouldn't they both be able to talk? Even when not looking at the confidentiality agreement, GameSpot's actions haven't done anything but to fuel the fire. Irreversible damage has likely already been done, but if they want to regain some of their credibility they need to take more steps now.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:53PM JonahFalcon said

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Few people actually watch those video reviews. They read the text reviews.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 10:45PM Tiptup300 said

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I always seemed to enjoy watching Jeff's reviews, the other ones always just seemed 'stale.' Plus his opinion rarely wanders too far from my own.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 11:59PM (Unverified) said

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First of all, the only thing I liked about GameSpot was the video reviews. Jeff's in particular, were always funny.

I also liked watching On The Spot every week on Thursday nights, and caught Button Mashing every once in a while. Sorry, but I was more interested in the video content than any text content. I knew I could count on GameSpot for high quality video as well.

But as far as any side talking about the matter, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. GameSpot doesn't want to get sued by Jeff. And I'm sure Jeff doesn't want to get sued by GameSpot. Something happened. It think we got an idea of what happened. But we'll never know everything.

I'm a little disappointed that GameSpot took so long to acknowledge the situation. They should have made a statement right away. Why did it take so long? Were they not prepared to fire him? Was it a spur of the moment decision? (These are rhetorical btw... I don't expect an answer)

I think GameSpot made a colossal mistake in the way Jeff was let go and I think they're going to have a tough time recovering. People don't forget these kinds of thing-- or at least I won't. GameSpot's credibility is shot as far as I'm concerned. The only way I can see myself returning to GameSpot is an acknowledgement they handled the situation poorly and installation of a new management team to 'clean things up'
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:46PM (Unverified) said

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and why did they let him post his kane and lynch review if it wasn't kosher

and why did they wait to fire him for about 2 weeks if it was for a good reason

bah
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:52PM JonahFalcon said

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They kept the written review, right? Maybe they didn't want his face on the site anymore. (smirk) Maybe he was masturbating under the desk during the review and THAT'S why he was fired.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:53PM Fox318 said

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They edited his original review.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:54PM (Unverified) said

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yeah, people have said it's a lot kinder to eidos
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:46PM (Unverified) said

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I call shenanigans.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2007 1:06PM Lemmiwinks said

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Everybody grab a broom!
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:50PM (Unverified) said

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it's too late now, Gamespot, CNET, and Eidos are dead to me. There are too many other credible gaming review blogs out there, why waste a second on corporate shills. If this is a sign of where Gamespot wants to go, if they want to cater to a dumber audience then F them, gamers have choices. Goodbye cashwh0re, it's game over.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:51PM JonahFalcon said

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Yeah, sure. Fans said that after the 1995 baseball strike, and came running back when the Steroid Brigade smacked a ton of homers.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:54PM Fox318 said

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Fans also said that after the hockey strike and nhl has suffer considerably.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:59PM JonahFalcon said

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The NHL was suffering long before the strike. The expansion influenced by Gretzky, and the migration south of teams out of the northern states and Canada bloated the sport. ie. the Minnesota North Stars to Dallas, a team in Nashville...

The game was on life support BEFORE the strike. It's better to point to the examples of the MLB and NFL strikes.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2007 2:38AM ThornedVenom said

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WTF people, I don't understand your whiting of Jonah. He has a valid point of view, but just because it isn't yours that it means that his opinion on the situation has to be downgraded.

It's just that he's not as extremist as all of you bunch.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:50PM JonahFalcon said

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It’s nice that they state that it wasn’t the Kane & Lynch review, but what in Sam Scratch happened that forced both parties to remain gagged? This situation is murky, at best.

Hopefully, GameSpot will survive remain healthy as one of the premiere review/news sites on the web after this bizarre adventure.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:54PM (Unverified) said

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Hopefully not.

You sound like a Gamespot freelance writer.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:55PM (Unverified) said

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Are you kidding? Where have you been, they've been taken over by that Ass Clown Josh Larson. He has ZERO credibility.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:55PM JonahFalcon said

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No, I sound like someone who's been a published writer in the industry since 1998. Trust me, Gerstmann wrote for 11 years - that's like writing for 40 years in video game sites and magazines. People move around a LOT.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:58PM (Unverified) said

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Or maybe you are defending Gamespot so much because you want Jeff's old job.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 10:00PM JonahFalcon said

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Oh, trust me - if I were an editor of GameSpot, I'd be ecstatic.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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While it is nice that you've came around to admitting the situation is murky (as opposed to your suggestion over the weekend that "Gerstmann is bullying GameSpot!", really do you think your obvious bias in this situation makes your opinions that relevant? You're a Nixon supporter right before he's forced to resign, nothing more. Sorry.

(And if you think this was mean, it wasn't as bad as Shoe pointing out all the holes in your "libelous" editorial eh? :D )
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 10:10PM JonahFalcon said

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Um, yeah, sure. Hsu's been emailing me nastygrams all day, threatening to sue my ass off... not. (grin) And we already responded to him.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 10:13PM JonahFalcon said

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Incidentally, my article said: "This reporter has no idea about the true nature of the firing. I don’t profess to know anything about it, simply because I don’t take anonymous sources seriously, nor do I give weight to associates of Gerstmann, who have probably personal or professional interests in him. I don’t find CNet’s simple “It wasn’t the review” response as informative, and Gerstmann’s silence seems to be more intent on holding GameSpot hostage rather than legality. Additionally, if his silence is legally enforced, then it must be something more serious than a reaction to a review, especially since it wasn’t the first time a writer on GameSpot wrote a negative review about a game that was advertised on the site – and a 6.0 review isn’t a 2.0 review."

Please, if you quote me, quote me correctly.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 10:17PM (Unverified) said

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Your article sucks.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 10:30PM Nushio said

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Who the hell are you, and why are you trolling Joystiq?
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 11:19PM (Unverified) said

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i don't see why everyone is jumping on jonah's ass. he does make a valid argument. i think his point is that unless somebody fesses up, this will just remain a conspiracy theory. barely worth the .html its written in.

he's not really a troll, just expressing his opinion. i guess he's not part of the nintendo tigerbeat fanclub omg! lets voat his ass down!!1

we know you guys like to clear your cookies.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 11:31PM (Unverified) said

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ok, i guess i should have read further. i take most of it back ... my bad. he's normally not a troll, though. and some of the things i see voted down are stupid, like a personal vendetta is the only reason for the negative vote.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:51PM (Unverified) said

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This is like the cake, all lies.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 10:02PM (Unverified) said

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We haven't got any answers for anything yet. As long as the bullsh*t smells, there will be outrage. CNet/GameSpot needs to clear the air if they want to get rid of the stench, not try to cover it up with useless PR drivel.

As for Eidos, where is the outrage over their BLATANT LIES on their Kane & Lynch website where they advertise 5-star reviews from GameSpy and Game Informer? I've read that GameSpy has requested they take it down, but where is the public backlash against a publisher for putting outright lies on their website?

http://www.gamebump.com/go/official_kane_and_lynch_website_lies_about_its_scores
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:54PM (Unverified) said

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too late - it's just too frigging late, they're done. It doesn't even matter if he really was fired over the K&L review or not anymore. The court of public opinion has tried them and found them guilty.

Question is. What now? Give it a couple months, and a few big name reviews, and a good chunk of people will probably just forget about it. World keeps on spinnin'. Well, at least until the next time it looks like somebody gets fired for a critical review.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 11:16PM (Unverified) said

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I have a shit eating (grin)
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:54PM TheGame21x said

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And the damage control rolls in...

They can say that all they like but I still will not believe them.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:56PM (Unverified) said

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I said it before ill say it again

Ok, Im going to comment and say EXACTLY what happened here. Mr. Gerstmann was fired due to being rude and disrepectful in his review of games. There problem was NEVER the score as people claim. But rather the style of his review. New management came in which did not like his style. He was asked on numerous occasions to tone it down or face the music. Basically it went too far this time and got him fired... This isnt to say CNET was in the right by doing this but certainly not wrong. The in your face attitude is no longer an appropriate style format for reviews at CNET sites. Thats business. Now as far as Eidos is concerned, they are certainly not at fault. They just no longer wanted to spend their own money advertising on a site which calls the very games they are advertising complete garbage and trash... Think about it, if you were Eidos would you waste your money? Eidos can take a bad review, its the being told their work is absolute garbage that makes it unprofitable on their end. CNET's response to this was OK your tone has cost us money for the last time. We warned you, now you have to go... Personally. I appreciate G's style and which it did not have to be toned down, however business is business and whether you like it or not you wouldnt want to continue ot advertise on a site which basically trashes the very game you are advertising. Numeric scores are just numbers, but a scathing review is whole different story.

Any that's really how it went down. There are plenty of other events, but its certain that if Gerstmann would need to follow managements new expectations for reviews or risk losing his job. He made his choice good for him. CNET should have given him an Ultimatium rather than a straight out lay off. They made their choice. Good for them... Eidos just didnt like being disrpected in general. His review even insinuates laziness and poor job performance on the part of the developers, he is paid to review the game and its contents not make public assumptions about the developers work ethic... I sure as heck wouldnt be paying anyone to take that kind of abuse. Good for them... Anyway, those are the facts. Deal with it. Alot of people did things in the least optimal way but none of it was neccesarily right.

If you want a real scandal, check of GameTap. They are losing around 10% of their entire catalog, including everything from EA and a host of other companies. Ironically you will not see ANYTHING of this on their site as EIDOS is a MAJOR supporting and right now the only thing that is holding them afloat so they truely cannot afford to lose Eidos at all.

TO REINTERATE: I Fully support Gerstmann and his review as well as the right to free speech. However I fully support a private corporations right to change company policy and standards and uphold these and dismiss any employees which fail to comply with the new standard. No one here is innocent but no one is right either.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 10:01PM JonahFalcon said

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Interesting perspective. If you have iron clad proof of this, I'd post the news...

...but unless you have proof, it remains speculation.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 10:11PM copa said

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"CNET's response to this was OK your tone has cost us money for the last time."

Yup. I'm guessing that's pretty much how it went down.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 10:18PM Eugimon said

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again, who are you and how do you *know* what happened? As far as anyone here knows, you're just a CNET shill trying to spin this.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 10:18PM Lamppost said

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If that's the case, THEY SHOULD HAVE SAID SO, instead of sitting around and allowing this shitstorm to pass through unchecked.

Gertsmann would not have lasted 11 years by writing like some unprofessional hack.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 10:27PM Dr Stabbingworth said

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Well, for what it's worth, people work in an "at will" environment, meaning you can be fired for no reason at any time (with some restrictions).

However, the smell of inpropriety in this case is more than justification to stop paying for access to a site that provides "unbiased" reviews.

I do suspect that a lot of people here are outraged as a result of lack of work/office experience; however, that's not to trivialize their opinions. If Gerstmann's reviews were what kept your money flowing, then by all rights cancel.

But as you say, if your boss asks you to do something, and you don't do it, you can't really expect to keep your job.
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Posted: Dec 4th 2007 12:33AM (Unverified) said

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And we as consumers of the product gamespot is selling, which is reviews of games, have a right to pull our support when they try shady tactics with us.

Eidos needs to get these kinds of reviews, then maybe they'd quit selling tomb raider sequels and third rate knockoff crap to unsuspecting consumers. If they are able to pad the reviews their shit gets, then that is fraud, plain and simple. People think they are buying a good game, not a piece of shit that is the usual drek eidos pushes out.

That being said, I will get deus ex 3 on day one.

and jonah, you are an ass. No one cares if you'd post the news and that you think something is speculation. We don't read your blog, or whatever teh hell it is you keep aluding to that somehow makes your posts more relevant than us "kiddies"
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2007 9:56PM JonahFalcon said

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You all sound like petulant teenagers --- oh, wait. You probably are. (smirk)

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