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Posted: Dec 5th 2007 7:23PM Fox318 said

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Do you check your list twice?
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Posted: Dec 5th 2007 3:25PM (Unverified) said

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Right so we're expected to believe that all of these things happening together is purely a coincidence, despite their unwillingness to give us the information in the first place?

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 3:29PM WhiteRime said

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6 days and the best they could come up with is to blame the holidays?

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 3:30PM (Unverified) said

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"u still mad?"


Posted: Dec 5th 2007 3:33PM hungarianhc said

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[just finished deleting the HotSpot from my iTunes podcasts...]

It will be missed, but without Jeff, not really that much

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 3:36PM (Unverified) said

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I think what they're saying has an ounce of truth to it but I think no matter how much stuff they release and announce and explain the damage is done. For a site that should know just how quickly rumors on the net can become facts Gamespot and CNet sure laid a steaming pile trying to keep silent about it.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 3:37PM Kyattsuai said

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**I move away from the mic to review games

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 3:38PM SpeeGold said

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It took them a week to come up with that crap? I mean, I knew they'd be spewing some lame bullshit at the press eventually, but I'm a little insulted that they took that long to come up with such a terrible story.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 3:38PM ComicShaman said

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Did anybody expect anything different from Gamespot? I'm surprised at the people who actually buy this excuse. There was no way Gamespot would ever come out and say: "It's a fair cop. We done it, you caught us fair and square."

It was never going to happen. At the very, very least, Gamestop is guilty of criminal stupidity by letting the timing happen the way it did, and not giving a senior staff member a nice, "happy trails" public send-off. And that's the best possible interpretation of the deal.

I think the circumstances point to it being a payola deal, just the way it looks.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 3:56PM Sweetz said

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First, let me say I fully believe Gertmann's firing was related to the review. Advertising having a large degree of editorial control in the gaming press has existed long, long before "Gerstmann-gate". The only thing that surprised me about this drama is how naive and idealistic many people are such that it because this big a story.

Anyway, playing devil's advocate here, is there anything they can do or say to convince his firing wasn't related to advertising pressure? Assume for a moment he wasn't actually fired because of the K&L review. Could anyone short of Gerstmann himself ever actually convince anyone of that?

It's kind of ironic because even if Gamespot is actually honest, they're just going to make themselves look like bigger liars.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 3:59PM (Unverified) said

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haha that "update" is funny

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 4:09PM (Unverified) said

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I am honestly sick and tired of reading the word "Bullshit" every time Gamespot issues a statement.

I'm not saying the Gamespot is right, but come one people! The English language has many other words for bullshit. Try "Road apples."

There are also other languages. Let's learn every word for bullshit while condemning Gamespot. Hooray!

Also, CNET is clearly in a lose-lose situation. What if everything in their statement is true? People will still not believe it. Caca.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 4:11PM (Unverified) said

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The mere appearance of malfeasance is enough for many (including me) to stop visiting GameSpot. Their only play is to hire Gerstmann back to replace the guy that fired him, and have him retool the entire operation. If they don't (and they won't), let's just kick back and see if GameSpot even exists this time next year.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 6:18PM Korova Pamplona said

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Nah, this is irreversible damage. Someone messed up big and everyone is suffering.

Short of complete reinvention, with a new brand, this shop will not retain any value. Its a game site that has demonstrated complete and utter incompetence, poor judgment and internal chaos in so many ways (and continues to do so) that it has no reason to say anything to the gaming community anymore.

I think Jeff's review may have been slightly inflamatory (which is stimulating), I think somebody in corporate has indigestion after overindulging over thanksgiving (which they probably spent kissing Eidos hiny). This shitty combination resulted in whole lotta crap for weeks!

And then, in the middle of cleaning up, they fart out this microphone issues stuff. Has anyone invented corporate maalox?
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Posted: Dec 5th 2007 4:15PM (Unverified) said

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I believe Superintendant Chalmers said it best: "The Aurora Borealis...At this time of year? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within your kitchen?"

Principal Skinner: "Why...yes."

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 4:25PM mietha said

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The damage is done. It really doesn't matter what Gamespot says at this point, it's all going to come off as spin control, because that's what it is. This isn't the first time they've pulled or "altered" a review. Neverwinter Nights 2 immediately comes to mind. This one was just close to a firing, so it attracted more attention. They are ethically bankrupt, and their reviews can not be trusted, not even their negative ones. They are about as unbiased as Game Informer.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 4:48PM (Unverified) said

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It was 1up that yanked and rewrote the NVN2 review. There was minor squawking, but nothing like the manure storm this induced.

The people who are wondering "what laws" are preventing the true scoop from coming out must not have worked a job higher up than manual labor because in Corporate America there are all sorts of privacy rules in place. If C|Net said that Jeff was stealing office supplies and jerking off into his co-workers hand creme jars, he could sue them for megabucks.

I had a boss who had a girlfriend who worked in another building for the same company. He went to her site and got into a big fight and security was called and he was thrown out then fired. It's been about three years and no announcement that he no longer worked for the company was ever made. The woman who sat next to be came back after a 2 months medical leave and then disappeared after two days and suddenly came a terse note that she was no longer with the company and her replacement would be so-and-so. The grapevine brought word that she and her husband were stealing laptops, but not a peep officially was announced.

It is entirely possible that C|Net is guilty of nothing more than tone-deafness and bad timing, but there are waaaaaaaay too many coincidences and obfuscations to be totally plausible.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2007 4:31PM (Unverified) said

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If it was merely coincidence, why wouldn't anyone at Gamestop realize this and do something about the timing of the dude's firing beforehand?

They could have put him on leave for a bit while doing their "internal review", then let him go in early January.





Posted: Dec 5th 2007 4:32PM (Unverified) said

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Well, I accept it. It's all cool. I'll now resume my previous... not going to your webpage.

Come to think of it none of this really effected me one way or the other. Even if they had perfectly moral and straightforward reasons for firing him, it's not going to make Gamespot suddenly stop sucking.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 7:10PM Korova Pamplona said

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GS's statement does not show character or a clear attitude toward Jeff. They could express that without violating California laws. You fired a guy - show some backbone, dont tell me it was all a coincidence. You are not giving me anything to love.

Jeff, on the other hand, for better or worse, showed lots of character. It may be heroic or a-whole character, but I relate immediately to him.

This is the message I want conveyed:

Games are inherently more social than movies. One gains much less satisfaction from a movie seen by more people beside oneself than from a game purchased by more people (especially in the age of online gaming).

With his review Jeff made a clear recommendation against purchase of K&L to the public at large. He in effect told me that others are less likely to buy the game, independently of whether I would like it or not. Number of buyers is important to me, because I can still enjoy a game I dont like, if I play it with friends. (I think this is the main reason why game scores are inflated and why Eidos was so unhappy with the video review).

What PISSED Eidos off was that Jeff called the game "ugly ugly" and the developers "sloppy and lazy", which is personal, angry and probably unfair. Eidos must have thought they are standing up for their people when they complained to CNET (and pulled or did not renew their ads - whatever).

GameSpot and CNET is wrong for firing Jeff. As a critic, he is allowed to be nasty, unfair, subjective and wrong. People who are familiar with criticism (and K&L is an M-rated game) know this. The review was competent by critical standards - it gave a supported opinion in a personal and interesting way. He thought the game sucked - hey, its his call!

Maybe GameSpot and CNET is right for firing Jeff. They didnt like their top (unsupervised) editor being unfair and wrong (in their opinion), he is an at will employee and they dont have to stand for it. Firing him was a form of criticism too - business-based criticism.

However, business-based criticism obeys different rules than game criticism. Its all about bottom line, timing, strategy, customer satisfaction, brand value, positioning. By those standards, firing Jeff was an incompetent call. Exhibit 1 - two-week post-"separation" shitstorm, resulting in deterioration of all business positions.

At this point I cant help but think that whoever made the firing decision needs to be fired, too. Maybe there is another way of resolving this, I have to think about it.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2007 4:32PM Micmoo said

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I know I am going to be LOWEST ranked...
But I am ALMOST starting to ALMOST believe A LITTLE of what they are saying...
Maybe it was just the straw that broke the camels back???

ug.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 4:36PM (Unverified) said

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I blame Penny-Arcade for the destruction of Gamespot and CNET. The comic is not real and did not happen.
People must have assumed it to be fact. The comic fueled the fire. It's a he-said, she-said situation.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? There is no concrete evidence that Gamespot fired Jeff due to advertising pressure.

All we have are a bunch of events that occurred to close to each other. This lead to people assuming that these events were related even though there is no proof that they are related.

All these RUMORS have destroyed the credibility of CNET and Gamespot, and probably even the lives of their workers. However, none of us really care since Gamespot and CNET and all those who work there are evil and they deserve it. Whatever!

In conclusion, that's 1 down and two more to go. I CANNOT WAIT for the day that the same outrage and condemnation will occur at IGN and 1UP.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 8:47PM (Unverified) said

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Road apples!

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 4:44PM Batzarro The worlds WOrst Detect said

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An article can't just fly out of a publication by the force of one man! That's a power reserved only for blogs! It seems to me If they would have wanted to change it "uninfluenced" they would have done it BEFORE it got out. Admitting to pressure just makes it worse

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 4:54PM (Unverified) said

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1. There was nothing wrong with the audio.

2. None of the goddamn shit above aswers the question WHY HE GOT FIRED.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 4:58PM (Unverified) said

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I'll be honest: I think this whole situation was way overblown.

I'm not complaining about it, though. Game reviews are utter garbage, and maybe this can do something to fix it.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 5:00PM Snowman said

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That's so that's their idea of damage control? Might as well they didn't bother and just ride the storm out...I mean it's like they just added more BS to the already mile high pile.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 5:18PM (Unverified) said

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Seems like a lot of coincidences, I mean *cough* bullshit.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 5:31PM Endjin said

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That is incredibly hard to believe. Thanks to the wonders of youtube I and I'm sure many of you have seen it and claiming they'd take it down because of faulty mic? Nah.

Load of crap to try and save themselves. The only truth we will ever get about this will be from a Deepthroat-esque informant or Gerstmann himself.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 5:59PM quickshade said

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It's just hard to buy all these "facts". I could see Jeff getting reviewed for a review that might not have been 100% fair (it was to me but who knows) but to just plain fire a guy that has written well over 100 reviews that 90% of users agree with and be the head man of the content that goes up on gamespot. It doesn't happen. You don't just fire a guy based on one "bad" review.

Also that video thing is bogus. I listened to it on youtube and compared it to other video reviews. It was a bit sloppy but isn't that the producers fault, not jeff's. And even so it was on par with many gamespot videos. Maybe it's just but gamespot keeps digging a bigger hole for themselves and I get the feeling the staff is being forced to do this. The fact that almost all the people who work there have said Jeff was awesome just makes this even harder to take in....sure sucks for gamespot.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 6:10PM (Unverified) said

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I find the whole thing of gamespot firing people distrubing, but I can easily see how Gerstmann could have been fired due to his tone. I've seen a few of his video reviews, and read a few of them. To me, he is Eric Cartmen from south park, and is now minpulating everyone to get his way. He sure has the marking of Cartmen.

That is however one theory, the other, is the one that everyone has been expressing.

Personally I think Gerstmann just ozzed a-hole, for all we know, he probabbly went around the office every day calling everone a pickle-F#$K. We bearly know anything about this yet we already painted him as some sort of hero.....

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 6:24PM mikesanto said

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WAS THAT SO FUCKING HARD?

Why didn't they do this five days ago? Five days ago it would have held a lot more credibility.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 7:26PM Starcade said

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What I know to be true...

GameSpot's credibility has come into question.

I'm not sure I'll ever be able to trust ANYTHING they publish. Apparently they sanatize reviews for sponsors or write more favorably for triple AAA titles. Basically their priority is to the advertisers first, and subscribers or community second.

Jeff Gerstmann's firing brought this to light.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 7:29PM Centaur said

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I guess I'm the only person in the world that believes them. I guess I just like to give people the benefit of the doubt as I would want them to do for me.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 7:42PM zkey14 said

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I believe them if only because Gerstmann was terrible at his job and his video reviews were embarrassing

also why would anyone be surprised that this kind of shit is going on at freakin GAMESPOT
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Posted: Dec 5th 2007 11:13PM (Unverified) said

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I like to give people the benefit of the doubt too.

Not corporations however.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2007 7:42PM (Unverified) said

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i never used to go to gamespot but i am totally making it my homepage now.

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 7:49PM Korova Pamplona said

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wow, triple troll attack!

Posted: Dec 5th 2007 9:56PM (Unverified) said

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Funny..the audio quality seems fine on Youtube....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aBD0cUeeEQc

Don't try to hide from the internet, Gamespot.

Posted: Dec 6th 2007 12:47AM (Unverified) said

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If you've ever worked for a big company, you understand why they have issues with making statements quickly. As was said above, there are legal and management reviews to go through before something controversial is discussed publicly.

Jeff could have been doing anything from surfing porn at work to using the company's PCs to make denial-of-service attacks on a competitor to moonlighting at another company to sexually harassing a coworker. I've seen all that happen (and worse) and people get caught and fired for it. Sometimes the facts are known to coworkers, but most of the time they aren't. Never would the company comment publicly on it.

Given that Jeff isn't permitted to discuss it either implies he was paid off not to (which isn't impossible) or isn't interested in telling what got him fired because it is embarrassing or incriminating.

Not that I found GS all that credible a source of reviews before or after this incident, but the silence may have a legitimate reason.

Posted: Dec 6th 2007 6:46PM (Unverified) said

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I have worked at a large company, and that's why I KNOW they're up to something. You could be right, Jeff could have been doing anything, but this situation all seems very odd. I gotta say, if it walks like a duck...
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Posted: Dec 6th 2007 7:38AM (Unverified) said

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Bullshit - it still stinks to high hell, and this is simply damage limitation.

Posted: Dec 6th 2007 6:40PM (Unverified) said

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What just a DAMN minute. That didn't explain JACK? Were those weak-ass "explanations" suppose to reassure readers that Gamespot isn't on the take?

I'm sorry, but this whole thing STINKS. The only way to UN-stink-it is to re-HIRE JEFF BACK! At twice the pay -- for the embarrassment factor of having his personal business out for the world to know about. ( Jeeze, he isn't Paris Hilton)

"Widespread Misinformation", Unless Gerstmann was taking money out of the till or pissing in the hallways -- you shouldn't have fired him, period. You don't JUST fire someone after 11 years on the job -- that's bulls**t. Three months, yeah. Eleven years, NO.

However, you DO fire someone if the NEW CEO has a problem with how things are running, and is looking for an excuse to "make things more hip", or "grow the brand", or whatever some over paid, "Maxim Mag" t*ts and a** man, thinks he knows about video games and tech toys -- which clearly, is nothing at all.

Posted: Dec 7th 2007 5:19PM (Unverified) said

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Haha it's not like Gerstmann died or anything. Relax Gamespot. The reason few like your site is because it gets confused with Gamestop.

Posted: Dec 10th 2007 3:50PM (Unverified) said

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