Casual game reviewer responds to EA, demands respect
Seems not everyone was very happy with EA's recent comments about the relative unimportance of casual game reviews. Over at casual games supersite Gamezebo, editor Erin Bell has posted a well-written response to EA Marketing VP Russell Aarons' argument that casual gamers trust their friends' game recommendations more than professional reviews. "Statements like these are intensely patronizing, not only to media outlets like Gamezebo who focus on the casual market, but also to the millions of discerning, media savvy casual gamers who drive the multi-billion dollar casual games industry," Bell writes. "If casual gamers didn't read reviews, I wouldn't have a job."To be fair, EA's comments probably weren't directed at casual-focused sites like Gamezebo, but instead at the majority of specialist game sites that just don't seem to understand the appeal of casual games. Still, it's true that casual gamers sometime don't get enough respect from the gaming community. Just because a gamer doesn't have the time or inclination to dive into a Mass Effect or a Halo 3 doesn't mean they don't take their hobby seriously. Or, as Bell puts it, being a casual gamer doesn't necessarily mean being "the kind of person who buys a game based on how pretty the box is or because it's based on their favorite television show." Of course, this doesn't apply to the Deal or No Deal game. After all, who could resist Howie Mandel's come-hither grin?










Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
tmacairjordan87 @ Dec 10th 2007 5:21PM
yeah, you guys will get respect when you stop buying shit games and fueling more shit games to be made on the wii
daedalus @ Dec 10th 2007 5:22PM
point proven
ViagraFiend @ Dec 10th 2007 5:27PM
I hate EA just as much as you but they are going to keep selling shit games because they sell a shit load of them. Why spend a shit ton of money to make something non shitty when they can save a shit barrel full of cash to make a super shitty game that people buy a lot of because it says "Super Fun Fun Exciting Game!!!11!"
samfish @ Dec 10th 2007 5:36PM
Some people like those "shit games" because they're actually good.
Could it be that – *GASP!* – SOME PEOPLE JUST HAVE DIFFERENT TASTE THAN YOU?!
I don't like First Person Shooters, but I don't go around calling them shitty and chastise people for being ignorant just because they like them.
What are these oh-so-horrible games that the ignorant masses are buying? Ones that are actually selling reasonably well? Can you even name me five?
Crono (NDF - Knight of the Old School) @ Dec 10th 2007 5:38PM
I'd love to know if they think "Bejeweled" fits in that "Shitty Games" category.
finnith @ Dec 10th 2007 5:39PM
Are you implying that Carnival games is worth someone's time samfish? Cause that's equal to heresy.
Crono (NDF - Knight of the Old School) @ Dec 10th 2007 5:41PM
Someone's time, sure. 50 bucks, hell no.
samfish @ Dec 10th 2007 5:43PM
Have you played Carnival Games? It apparently controls very well and emulates it's namesake rather nicely; and though it has simplistic, unimpressive graphics, it still doesn't look like it should have been on the N64.
Hey, that sounds kinda like Wii Sports!
NATO_Duke @ Dec 10th 2007 5:50PM
Sam, I thought the reviews said that the controls were bad on that game.
Either way, who cares - you can win virtual stuffed animals. F*ck yeah!!!
NATO_Duke @ Dec 10th 2007 5:36PM
Oh man, while I for one love buying games with pretty boxes, I never thought of trying to play them too! Doesn't anyone else here read prettygameboxreviews.net?
tmacairjordan87 @ Dec 10th 2007 5:39PM
hey if you like to bake virtual cakes and play shitty collection games over and over with average ratings of
-10 then good for you, but people like that are the reason why 9/10 wii games blow ass.
tmacairjordan87 @ Dec 10th 2007 5:40PM
reply system=fail
Darrell @ Dec 10th 2007 5:42PM
Because playing Halo is indicative of being a "hardcore" gamer, in any form. *rolls eyes* The number of "casuals" playing Halo dwarf that of the "hardcore".
Marty @ Dec 10th 2007 5:44PM
Classic picture Joystiq... :D
copa @ Dec 10th 2007 6:26PM
Laugh all you want. After looking at that picture, I'm going to think twice before discriminating against gays, blacks, asians, or... stuffed lion-things, I guess.
colin @ Dec 10th 2007 6:56PM
is that an unaltered picture with pedobear in the wild?
J-Guy @ Dec 10th 2007 7:22PM
Respect the furries, I believe it says.
gonk @ Dec 10th 2007 8:13PM
furries deserve swift death
seriously, they should all be murdered. I wish I had that power
Shockgamer @ Dec 10th 2007 9:19PM
So furries are a legitimate minority now? Can we expect a speech from Martin Luther Kitty any minute?
"I have a dream.....involving many Disney characters....and Warner Brothers characters....doing things that no man, woman or child should ever see..."
gavin @ Dec 10th 2007 5:50PM
Funny to see that picture during the fracas over Penn St students dressing up as Virginia Tech victims.
NATO_Duke @ Dec 10th 2007 5:53PM
2 dumbass students on Halloween. I dont see it as damning of the whole school.
WiNG @ Dec 10th 2007 6:01PM
People will start taking casual reviewers seriously whent they (read: Variety) stops making insane claims like that Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy aren't good games.
WiNG @ Dec 10th 2007 6:02PM
and IMO yes, casual gamers take friends' opinions more seriously than anything else. I overheard someone recommend Cooking Mama to someone else while I gagged.
baby sea tuna @ Dec 11th 2007 8:35AM
Cooking Mama? Did you dive at them in a slo-motion attempt to swat it out of their hands? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
bobartig @ Dec 10th 2007 6:04PM
I'm not even going to read the response. Seriously. Casual game reviews? The entire point of casual games is that they're cheap, fast, and fill a momentary void in your day when you're doing laundry, or sitting on the subway.
What the hell is a reviewer going to tell me that I can't figure out from playing the the game, or its demo, for free? The whole point behind casual gaming is that they bypass the big budgets, complex learning curve, advertising, media/reviewer tie-ins, and spread their mindless, addictive fun virally.
Russ Carroll @ Dec 10th 2007 6:12PM
So wait, games with high review scores = good games, and with low review scores = bad games?
Sounds like we are for review scores this week? Weren't reviews fundamentally broken and wrong a week or two ago? I just can't seem to keep up with the swinging sentiment anymore.
However, I have to say that if I'm voting between someone who blindly follows review scores or someone who doesn't my vote will be with not following them.
Most casual games get passed on through word of mouth. I played Carnival Games after Bill Harris spoke kindly of it in response to the Level Up blog. I think Bill nailed it. (http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2007/11/console-notes-of-week.html)
Personally I wouldn't buy Carnival Games, but I tried it before letting some review think for me, and I was pleasantly surprised.
At times it is fantastic and recreates that child-like joy of walking down midway. Some of the games are great, and others I wonder what the designer's were thinking. The control scheme at times is beyond being just being bad, it doesn't make any sense.
At times, like Skee Ball and Roller Ball, Carnival Games is VERY, very good, and, unfortunately, at other times it is horrid. That puts it into pass category for me, but if a sequel fixes the broken stuff I'd buy in a heartbeat.
To the bigger issue, I think most of the games on the Wii are more social games than casual games, and the current review system plays them as single-player games with a multiplayer element, which regardless, gives results that are only of value to those who might play the game by themselves. I don't think a single reviewer can accurately review a same-console multiplayer game. I throw those reviews out when making decisions because, much like the 74!? Metacritic score for Wii Sports, the review scores do not reflect the quality of playing the game in groups...which is all they are made to do.
tmacairjordan87 @ Dec 10th 2007 6:37PM
first of all the integrity of reviews are really only taken into consideration with AAA titles that actually mean something to the industry
personally i dont need to see a review of these games to know they probably suck, but here's some examples (keep in mind these are all recent games for the wii)
http://wii.ign.com/articles/840/840529p1.html
http://wii.ign.com/articles/840/840524p1.html
http://wii.ign.com/articles/840/840362p1.html
http://wii.ign.com/articles/839/839922p1.html
http://wii.ign.com/articles/839/839576p1.html
you want to know what seperated those games from each other? a 7.0, 6.5, and a 6.0 game. can you honestly tell me, with your integrity as a gamer, that those games are not reviewed right and are actually good?
LlamaFarmer @ Dec 10th 2007 6:17PM
I only buy games that come in pretty boxes, have instruments, and/or action figures. Is it wrong?
G.Park @ Dec 10th 2007 6:17PM
Dead Casual Games:
You have to earn our respect, not whine about how we don't give it to you.
Love,
Videogames
Service_Games @ Dec 10th 2007 6:26PM
One obvious and major thing that Erin forgot to point out. Since the gaming consumer base consists of mostly casual gamers, only a very small percentage of casual gamers have to read reviews for her to keep her job. I don't know Gamezebo's policy on number of hits per review to be able to keep one's job, but my guess is that, if you looked at the number of casual gamers versus the number of casual gamers who actually read reviews (any reviews from any site), you'd probably see that EA's comments are well grounded and Erin's are well... not.
SG
squirrelmatic @ Dec 10th 2007 6:34PM
WE ARE....
making lame psa's
rainking187 @ Dec 10th 2007 6:52PM
Said the internet: "What the hell's a Gamezebo?"
baby sea tuna @ Dec 11th 2007 8:38AM
It's like you read my hive-mind.
Robobagins @ Dec 10th 2007 6:55PM
Oh Howie, someone you will be mine ::gushes::
Jeff @ Dec 10th 2007 7:14PM
"If there is a line in the sand to be drawn, it should be between informed and passionate gamers (whether they call themselves fans of "hardcore" or "casual" titles), and the kind of person who buys a game based on how pretty the box is or because it's based on their favorite television show. Please don't automatically lump casual gamers in with the latter."
Truth, except that more casual gamers than hardcore gamers would fall into her latter category. Sure, not all of them-- but enough.
Sometimes it seems like there is something equally as bad as buying a game because "ooooh, pretty shiniez box"; buying games because a reviewer tells you to. Seek out more opinions, read customer reviews (I love amazon), and try out demos. It will solve a lot of the bitching about X game sucking after you buy it.
trackmania 1 @ Dec 11th 2007 6:11AM
Jeff - do you have an xfire? add me - my username is dsunshine
J-Guy @ Dec 10th 2007 7:26PM
Screw casual games, what happened to the adventure genre? It just fell off the face of the Earth, and needs a comeback in the near future.
tmacairjordan87 @ Dec 10th 2007 7:41PM
you mean sweet adventure games where barney searches for the lost teddy bear of dreams with the chipmunks and battles mighty gummi bear enemies with songs?
Phillip @ Dec 10th 2007 8:24PM
Sweet pic of Penn State. To anyone who heard about the VT mockery, please don't judge all of us based on the action of 1 student and 2 visitors who happened to be at Penn State. Trust me when I said most people here want to run the kid out of town.
And for casual games, I don't think they should be held to the game standard as "hardcore games". My mom plays Wii bowling and apparently that game is made for 6 year old kids. She likes stuff she can play for 5 minutes between taking the wash upstairs.
Kevin @ Dec 10th 2007 8:26PM
LOL...that image is on the screen saver on all the computers here at Penn State.
born2kill @ Dec 10th 2007 8:49PM
Casual gamers and gamezebo (whoever the hell they are) dont deserve respect, nor do they deserve to live. They are a cancer on the gaming industry.
Cherry May @ Dec 11th 2007 12:12AM
Being a fan of casual games (yay mystery case files!), I have to say that I don't read casual game reviews.
Gamezebo especially has absolutely terrible and uninformative review scores. I'd honestly say that anyone who complains about IGN and GameSpot review scores hasn't seen how bad it can really get!
Gamezebo sticks '4 out of 5 stars' on just about every game regardless of its quality. I often searched for absolutely wonderful casual games I loved on gamezebo-- and they'd always have '4 out of 5 stars'. I'd often see the most absolutely terrible games too, and search for them on gamezebo to see how they scored for amusement value... yup, they were all getting '4 out of 5 stars' too.
EA really should have said 'casual game fans don't care about reviews, because they can download a trial within seconds and play for an hour for free so they can form their own opinions'. The only reason gamezebo gets hits is because it's pretty much the only 'huge' casual game review site, with laughable tips pages for all new games, and thus it picks up on all the 'azada hints' google searches.
I'm pretty sure nobody takes gamezebo's review scores seriously!
Anthony33 @ Dec 11th 2007 1:19PM
Haha hell yeah Penn State. God I've seen that lame ass poster more times than I care to remember.