Even virtual worlds need to visit the powder room before parading in public. The practice of 'touching up' is something our shallow, image-conscious society accepts (heck, we expect it!), so long as the object doesn't stray too far from our idealized imaginations. So when Guerrilla Games rolled out a new batch of Killzone 2 screens, captured from this year's E3 demo, fans noticed the images looked a little too good to be true, drawing obvious connections to Killzone's infamous E3 2005 debut trailer, which substituted actual game content with pre-rendered 'target' video.
Guerrilla QA manager Seb Downie joined the discussion on the PlayStation Forums, admitting, "[The screenshots] are only the tiniest bit touched up ... there was a little bit of colour-correction done and some minor polish, but nothing major." The comparison image above, also posted in the discussion (via PSU), seems to corroborate Downie's admission, revealing sharper colors and deeper contrasts in the 'doctored' screen on the right (effects that seem within the limits of standard display settings; i.e., a television could be capable of displaying both the dull and stylized versions of this scene by tinkering with its display settings). Also, the "original" version of the image is a frame snagged directly from video, so it's subject to a certain amount of blurring that's not necessarily an accurate depiction of gameplay frozen in that instant. In any case, how can a screenshot ever tell the truth? Downie concludes that Killzone 2 simply "looks better in motion."
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Posted: Dec 10th 2007 4:44PM spin cycle said
Yeah I did. There are 3 differences:
1. Increased contrast and color. This is consistent with a different gamme.
2. The sight is more see-through. Can't attribute this to anything.
3. The red dots in the dark areas are much brighter. I can't attribute this to anything.
#2 and #3 are definitely "touched up", but they're not a huge deal, they don't amount to anything. #1 is just a different gamma curve, since JPEG doesn't handle gamma matching properly most of the time it isn't at all uncommon to change the gamma on a picture so that the JPEG represents what was displayed on the screen when the picture was taken.
People are making a mountain out of a molehill. Go check the "screenshots" Kotaku uses for Viva Pinata. They are early target renders, not even adjusted shots from the game.
The changes made here are just not a big deal.
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1. Increased contrast and color. This is consistent with a different gamme.
2. The sight is more see-through. Can't attribute this to anything.
3. The red dots in the dark areas are much brighter. I can't attribute this to anything.
#2 and #3 are definitely "touched up", but they're not a huge deal, they don't amount to anything. #1 is just a different gamma curve, since JPEG doesn't handle gamma matching properly most of the time it isn't at all uncommon to change the gamma on a picture so that the JPEG represents what was displayed on the screen when the picture was taken.
People are making a mountain out of a molehill. Go check the "screenshots" Kotaku uses for Viva Pinata. They are early target renders, not even adjusted shots from the game.
The changes made here are just not a big deal.
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 1:46PM (Unverified) said
What's worse? Touched-up screenshots or saying your game supports 720P on the back of the box when it in actuality it doesn't?
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 1:54PM baby sea tuna said
Killzone 2 better be pretty fucking amazing to even be able to mention it in the same breath as Call of Duty 4.
That IS the game you were trolling with, right?
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That IS the game you were trolling with, right?
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:02PM Zoesch said
FFS and that other game wasn't the second coming of Christ either. But I did mention that on a post above, it's not like there's no other companies doing it (And yes it's toiling close to the false advertisement line) and at least Guerilla is fessing up to it, so kudos, I prefer that to a company that says that Widescreen is not Widescreen and another that says 640p is 720p, hope you guys don't notice.
In the end if the game is fun, who cares?
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In the end if the game is fun, who cares?
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:02PM Chibi Chaingun said
I think he was most likely trolling for Halo 3 since that's what most Sony fanboys do.
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Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:06PM (Unverified) said
@ Baby Sea Tuna: I think he is referring to Halo 3, actually.
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Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:10PM Colossalhat said
I think GaryM may have been talking about teh Haloz, seeing as how they've just had a case announced against them for missing pixels and alleged false advertising.
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Posted: Dec 10th 2007 4:07PM CommentSystem said
this is where the captains of obvious meet right?
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Posted: Dec 10th 2007 1:56PM Obienator said
My question is, wasn't Killzone 1 generic as all hell.
Why does ANYONE care about the sequel? Just because of a flashy pre-rendered trailer? If so...for shame.
Why does ANYONE care about the sequel? Just because of a flashy pre-rendered trailer? If so...for shame.
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:19PM (Unverified) said
If you get a chance to do so, play the first Killzone on a PS3, there is a HUGE improvement...guess the PS2 just wasn't able to handle it...
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Posted: Dec 10th 2007 1:58PM Chibi Chaingun said
Old version looks....grey.
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:00PM (Unverified) said
bullshot
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:01PM bigd7387 said
I beta tested the first Beta-Kill-Terd. Just like the final product, all the color correction won't help if they haven't fixed your charater clipping thru objects, pop-up and really boring gameplay.
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:09PM leobebes said
It's pretty funny seeing some of these posters on the Sony message boards have mock ups of a 360 style gamer profile. Kind of cute actually. "6 games played" and then a list of the games...cute.
lol
lol
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:12PM (Unverified) said
Wow. Calm down. I was only joking. You see my tag, it's Jim Halpert. I wasn't saying Saints Row was bad, I like the first one.
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:12PM (Unverified) said
LOL!
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:13PM (Unverified) said
Sorry. This doesn't belong here. Stupid fingerprint scanner. I had to write this months ago....
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:19PM (Unverified) said
Wow thats a huge difference. Can any console shooter compete with GEARS graphically? Not yet. COD4 is right below it though. I have part 1 of KZ. It was aight lol. I dont have any high expectations for this at all. It just looks bland. Dont flame me its just an opinion.
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 3:34PM (Unverified) said
And like any opinion it can be agreed with -- or casually diregarded as nonsense (that's my choice, LOL).
:)
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:)
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:24PM (Unverified) said
Whatever. All games do it-- marketing is a fact of life. Besides the lighting/colors, those look virtually identical-- the high-res textures and beautiful models are the important part.
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:27PM (Unverified) said
Lol, that's hilarious. Silly developer.
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:34PM (Unverified) said
I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, to some degree. Remember how HORRIBLE Metroid Prime 3 screens looked in previews, even worse than MP1 graphics? Nintendo kept saying "it looks better in motion"
Well, it does.
Well, it does.
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:44PM ummfada said
Halo 3 is not a generic shooter, but then again my name is Idiot Face :-(
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 2:58PM (Unverified) said
This would almost be worth worrying about was it not for the fact that the recent gameplay videos show that Killzone 2 is already the best looking console fps -- by far.
So, they wanted it to look even better than that, in a few tarted up screenies...Please, chill out people :)
So, they wanted it to look even better than that, in a few tarted up screenies...Please, chill out people :)
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 3:12PM (Unverified) said
You mean "the best bland looking FPS game on any console." Stop buying into all this hype dumbass. This game will be an 8.0 or 8.5 at best. Part 1 wasnt all that and this one will folow suit.
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Posted: Dec 10th 2007 3:31PM (Unverified) said
No, 'best' as in best, not 'bland'.
Like I said, people need to chill...irrational hotheads like your good self included. ;)
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Like I said, people need to chill...irrational hotheads like your good self included. ;)
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 3:11PM (Unverified) said
What's worse, playing an incredible game that a few pixel counting nerds cry foul about or waiting year after year for a game that's ultimately 'just another shooter', AND still isn't out.
It's funny, but I bought my 360 as a stopgap until some decent ps3 games came out since that was the system I really wanted. But now... man... I *might* pick one up in a year or two used to play Ratchet, and maybe 1 or 2 other games the system (hopefully) will have by then.
I still don't know how Sony blew it this bad...
It's funny, but I bought my 360 as a stopgap until some decent ps3 games came out since that was the system I really wanted. But now... man... I *might* pick one up in a year or two used to play Ratchet, and maybe 1 or 2 other games the system (hopefully) will have by then.
I still don't know how Sony blew it this bad...
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 3:23PM Aperture said
Nintendo doesn't tend to doctor up their photos much and it shows. The screen shots in Nintendo Power look pretty bad, but fortunately things are much smoother in game. I think that people are making this into more of a problem than it is.
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 3:35PM MysticMaven said
Why is anyone surprised? Remember when the PS3 was first introduced and everyone tried to pass off all of those CGI sequences as actual gameplay footage?
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 3:51PM (Unverified) said
Lol this game is gonna blow so badly...
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 3:53PM (Unverified) said
See the sony fanboys usually say "lazy developer" but since they harbor this illusion that its a "halo killer" they're more than willing to bend over and take whatever bs this company feeds them...
Like Fenix said this game will be average at best...
Like Fenix said this game will be average at best...
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 4:11PM CommentSystem said
is everyone on here a fortune teller?
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 4:35PM (Unverified) said
Yeah I'll take that apology now you fucking fanboy trolls.
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 4:57PM NavParker said
Out of all the games, you would think they would know not to 'doctor' any Killzone images! GEEZ!
Posted: Dec 10th 2007 9:01PM (Unverified) said
I don't understand why they don't just apply the same effects they used to touch up the screenshot to some post processing color corection filter within the game. This seems to be what MGS4 is doing. If I remember correctly, they even showed a video of it where they changed the filters in real time.
Posted: Dec 11th 2007 5:03AM (Unverified) said
Personally, I think the left screen shot looks better.
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