Tell you what. While you multi-billion dollar organizations are arguing like toddlers over a couple of toy guitars, we'll be over here being disgusted. Just tell us when you're done. Seriously, drop the he said/she said crap, do like Tim Gunn and make it work already, please.
Activison: Actually, Harmonix to blame for PS3 guitar issues
by Justin McElroy 
on Dec 14th 2007 9:25AM
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Tell you what. While you multi-billion dollar organizations are arguing like toddlers over a couple of toy guitars, we'll be over here being disgusted. Just tell us when you're done. Seriously, drop the he said/she said crap, do like Tim Gunn and make it work already, please.
Reader Comments (76)
Posted: Jan 25th 2008 3:48PM GandalfGreyham said
man i wish i had stumbled upon this before i asked my gf for guitar hero III for ps3.
not only is rockBand actually releasing downloadable content and good songs - not crap like linkin park - they are all for compatibility.
I should have known to stick with harmonix, i mean activision hasn't done anything for this game except slap their logo on it. Red Octane is just as much to blame - they are probably sour over Harmonix leaving and making better instruments.
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not only is rockBand actually releasing downloadable content and good songs - not crap like linkin park - they are all for compatibility.
I should have known to stick with harmonix, i mean activision hasn't done anything for this game except slap their logo on it. Red Octane is just as much to blame - they are probably sour over Harmonix leaving and making better instruments.
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 9:28AM (Unverified) said
It sounds like Activision wanted Harmonix to pay up to allow release of the patch. It's still Activision's fault.
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Posted: Dec 14th 2007 9:59AM copa said
That is exactly right. Harmonix has been trying get interoperability working every step of the way, and Activision has been trying to block it.
Once Harmonix did all the work and got a patch going (that incidentally would have sold more Les Paul controllers), Activision stepped in and demanded cash payment for the 'rights' to distribute the patch.
How much cash? However much it takes to keep Harmonix from distributing it.
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Once Harmonix did all the work and got a patch going (that incidentally would have sold more Les Paul controllers), Activision stepped in and demanded cash payment for the 'rights' to distribute the patch.
How much cash? However much it takes to keep Harmonix from distributing it.
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:07AM (Unverified) said
Activison: Hey guys this is crazy, we should make these guitars work in every game.
Harmonix:Your right we will get right on a patch for Rock Band and you guys can make one for GH3.
Activision: Ok and then you'll give us 2.7 million dollars and we will allow the patch to go through.
Harmonix: What! No way!
Activision: Well you guys clearly just hate the consumer, we are sorry you guys refused our agreement which would have allowed for guitar compatability.
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Harmonix:Your right we will get right on a patch for Rock Band and you guys can make one for GH3.
Activision: Ok and then you'll give us 2.7 million dollars and we will allow the patch to go through.
Harmonix: What! No way!
Activision: Well you guys clearly just hate the consumer, we are sorry you guys refused our agreement which would have allowed for guitar compatability.
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:31AM SheppyReturns said
This should be posted here because I expect the PS3 bash war to consume much of the first and second pages.
I think now is a good time to mention that only GHIII has a specific mention in their End-User license agreement that using ANY third party guitar controllers violates the agreement you entered upon buying Guitar Hero III.
Yeah, Activision.... Harmonix was the one being unreasonable.
Consumer: Dr. Evil, do you really expect them to pay?
Activision: No... I expect them to cry. Even if they give me the money, their controllers still won't work with Guitar Hero.
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I think now is a good time to mention that only GHIII has a specific mention in their End-User license agreement that using ANY third party guitar controllers violates the agreement you entered upon buying Guitar Hero III.
Yeah, Activision.... Harmonix was the one being unreasonable.
Consumer: Dr. Evil, do you really expect them to pay?
Activision: No... I expect them to cry. Even if they give me the money, their controllers still won't work with Guitar Hero.
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 11:51AM bigjf said
I agree with Fidlious Wong. As a newb to the whole thing, I got a GH3 guitar and a RB guitar. It's nice if a patch gets released that will let me use both with RB, but meanwhile I'd rather not pay another $50 for proper 2-player action on GH3 when I assume a patch could be released to let me use my RB guitar with GH3. It just wouldn't be worth the money to me. I've spent enough for the holidays.
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Posted: Dec 14th 2007 12:24PM brad77 said
You're right, @FidliousWong. Here's the fine print from the opening screen of the demo:
"Activision authorizes use of this Guitar Hero™ game only in combination with a Guitar Hero™ controller provided by Activision or a standard game controller provided with a game console. Any other use is expressly prohibited. No other license, express or implied, is granted."
Given this, I would say that the burden of proof falls on Activision.
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"Activision authorizes use of this Guitar Hero™ game only in combination with a Guitar Hero™ controller provided by Activision or a standard game controller provided with a game console. Any other use is expressly prohibited. No other license, express or implied, is granted."
Given this, I would say that the burden of proof falls on Activision.
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 11:14AM (Unverified) said
those babies are so cute!
also, great first line :) still excitied for that princess bride game?
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also, great first line :) still excitied for that princess bride game?
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 9:44AM MisterSmith said
So rather than just making all their controllers compatible with one another, they opt to blame each other instead of reaching an agreement with one another? That's just fantastic.
(Sidenote: I don't own any Guitar Hero's or Rock Band, but I intend on purchasing the latter at some point. I have no interest in picking up GHII/III until I can use the RB Guitar on those two games for the 360 version. They better get the ball rolling.)
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(Sidenote: I don't own any Guitar Hero's or Rock Band, but I intend on purchasing the latter at some point. I have no interest in picking up GHII/III until I can use the RB Guitar on those two games for the 360 version. They better get the ball rolling.)
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 9:57AM SheppyReturns said
I think now is a good time to mention that only GHIII has a specific mention in their End-User license agreement that using ANY third party guitar controllers violates the agreement you entered upon buying Guitar Hero III.
Yeah, Activision.... Harmonix was the one being unreasonable.
Consumer: Dr. Evil, do you really expect them to pay?
Activision: No... I expect them to cry. Even if they give me the money, their controllers still won't work with Guitar Hero.
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Yeah, Activision.... Harmonix was the one being unreasonable.
Consumer: Dr. Evil, do you really expect them to pay?
Activision: No... I expect them to cry. Even if they give me the money, their controllers still won't work with Guitar Hero.
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:43AM (Unverified) said
Dale, you're not entirely correct.
On the 360, both the LP and X-Plorer GH controllers work on Rock Band, but the Rock Band Strat does NOT work on GH2 or GH3.
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On the 360, both the LP and X-Plorer GH controllers work on Rock Band, but the Rock Band Strat does NOT work on GH2 or GH3.
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 4:15PM (Unverified) said
I dont understand why gh3 works fine with rockband on the 360...i mean..who paid who in that instance...did microsoft pony up the money...is sony too cheap..whats the problem too where it works just fine?
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Posted: Dec 14th 2007 9:48AM baby sea tuna said
Here's hopin' they get The Gambler on there...
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Posted: Dec 14th 2007 9:45AM (Unverified) said
1.52M Japan
2.91M America
2.76M Others....
your point?
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2.91M America
2.76M Others....
your point?
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 9:46AM baby sea tuna said
Technically, Fernando, the same could be said for any of the current-gen consoles.
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Posted: Dec 14th 2007 9:47AM (Unverified) said
Activison: Hey guys this is crazy, we should make these guitars work in every game.
Harmonix:Your right we will get right on one for Rock Band and you guys can make one for GH3.
Activision: Ok and then you'll give us 2.7 million dollars and we will allow the patch to go through.
Harmonix: What! No way!
Activision: Well you guys clearly just hate the consumer, we are sorry you guys refused our agreement which would have allowed for guitar compatability.
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Harmonix:Your right we will get right on one for Rock Band and you guys can make one for GH3.
Activision: Ok and then you'll give us 2.7 million dollars and we will allow the patch to go through.
Harmonix: What! No way!
Activision: Well you guys clearly just hate the consumer, we are sorry you guys refused our agreement which would have allowed for guitar compatability.
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:07AM The Artist Formerly known as Jes said
Activision probably wants 1000 boxes of Rock Band
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Posted: Dec 14th 2007 9:50AM ThornedVenom said
I'll have to team with Harmonix on this one. And crap, Activision is becoming a bigger ogre than EA.
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Posted: Dec 14th 2007 9:52AM (Unverified) said
The thing that's so bizarre to me is that it seems like a win-win. Activision sells more hardware (you know, that stuff with the crazy profit margin) and EA gets a complete 4-player experience. Who is losing?
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Posted: Dec 14th 2007 9:58AM hoop said
The point is that each, like a bickering toddler, cannot allow the other to win. It's as if getting what one wants is dulled by watching the other person get what he or she wants.
Ridiculous.
I swear, sometimes I think these companies aren't happy until they've achieved a Pyrrhic victory.
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Ridiculous.
I swear, sometimes I think these companies aren't happy until they've achieved a Pyrrhic victory.
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:01AM SheppyReturns said
Wow, what an accurate comparison. Lynx, Virtual Boy, and CD-i. I'd suprised you didn't whip out PS3DO on us. That would have been completely unpredictable...
idiot.
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idiot.
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:03AM (Unverified) said
Activision has been a group of whiny dickholes ever since Rock Band was announced. I remember last year when they weren't allowing Rock Band discussion on the GH3 forums while Harmonix was allowing GH3 discussion on Rock Band's. I haven't seen a single 'nice' thing done by Activision with this whole deal, whereas Harmonix has been incredibly open and non hostile/whiny with the whole thing.
Activision better stop fuckin' around if they want me to buy another GH game, because after all the improvements Rock Band has made to the series I just don't see a point in going back.
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Activision better stop fuckin' around if they want me to buy another GH game, because after all the improvements Rock Band has made to the series I just don't see a point in going back.
Posted: Dec 16th 2007 1:59AM (Unverified) said
Activision better stop fuckin' around if they want me to buy another *Activision* game.
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Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:04AM (Unverified) said
"You can put it next to your Atari Lynx, Virtual Boy, and your CD-I."
Forgot the Jaguar...nevermind..I actually enjoyed my Jaguar more than the PS3. Atari FTW.
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Forgot the Jaguar...nevermind..I actually enjoyed my Jaguar more than the PS3. Atari FTW.
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:06AM (Unverified) said
At least the Jaguar, Virtual, CD-i, 3DO and other systmes did't had framerate problems.
=)
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=)
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:42AM baby sea tuna said
Holy shit, is that Abe Vigoda with a Mario hat on?!
Man, the avatars on here just keep getting better and better. I think I need to step it up here...
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Man, the avatars on here just keep getting better and better. I think I need to step it up here...
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:19AM (Unverified) said
"To all those masochists who bought a PS3: you really need to judge current-gen consoles on their own, and not as some sort of evolution of the previous generation of consoles."
masochists? ok, you want to judge consoles on their own? then what do you call the reliability of the 360? because I would despise any product that has a failure rate of over 15%...
now what do you call the people one that let Microsoft get away with that? now THOSE I call masochists...
"Yes, the PS2 was the best system ever. It is sadly clear the the PS3 will probably go down as one of the biggest flops ever. You can put it next to your Atari Lynx, Virtual Boy, and your CD-I."
wow...comparing it to a handheld, a 3-d "Handheld" and a system that by the time they started showing better games (an aprox 4 year period), the PSone and N64 were right around the corner...
I mean, you have changed my life by comparing the PS3 with them, Thank You
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masochists? ok, you want to judge consoles on their own? then what do you call the reliability of the 360? because I would despise any product that has a failure rate of over 15%...
now what do you call the people one that let Microsoft get away with that? now THOSE I call masochists...
"Yes, the PS2 was the best system ever. It is sadly clear the the PS3 will probably go down as one of the biggest flops ever. You can put it next to your Atari Lynx, Virtual Boy, and your CD-I."
wow...comparing it to a handheld, a 3-d "Handheld" and a system that by the time they started showing better games (an aprox 4 year period), the PSone and N64 were right around the corner...
I mean, you have changed my life by comparing the PS3 with them, Thank You
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:22AM (Unverified) said
Funny thing is before this merger, I never gave a shit about Activision. Sad thing is I still don't give a shit.
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Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:32AM (Unverified) said
good thing is that you still don't need to give a shit about them, Blizzard properties are secured....heaven in hell....
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Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:22AM SheppyReturns said
"At least the Jaguar, Virtual, CD-i, 3DO and other systmes did't had framerate problems."
Ummm, yeah they did.
Jaguar had framerate issues on both sprite based and 3D based games. I think the only Jaguar game which didn't have performance issues was Tempest 2000. Hell, in Aliens vs. Predator, you'd be lucky to get 10fps. And Doom ran smoother on SNES than Jaguar.
Virtual Boy had framerate issues on several games including Telero Boxer, Red Alarm, and even Warioland. Hell, when your Mario Brothers game can't run smoothly, there's a problem. But then again, only two Marios which ran buttery smooth was Mario Galaxy and NSMB.
CD-i was plagued with framerate issues. Well, on the games that weren't FMV... just look to Zelda for evidence there.
3DO suffered on both FMV stuttering and sprite and 3D. Return Fire got hectic and would often slow down to a crawl. 3DO's version of Samurai Showdown was the first to do the scrolling in and out on a console other than Neo Geo yet despite this, zoom effects dropped frames like Britney drops crazy pills.
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Ummm, yeah they did.
Jaguar had framerate issues on both sprite based and 3D based games. I think the only Jaguar game which didn't have performance issues was Tempest 2000. Hell, in Aliens vs. Predator, you'd be lucky to get 10fps. And Doom ran smoother on SNES than Jaguar.
Virtual Boy had framerate issues on several games including Telero Boxer, Red Alarm, and even Warioland. Hell, when your Mario Brothers game can't run smoothly, there's a problem. But then again, only two Marios which ran buttery smooth was Mario Galaxy and NSMB.
CD-i was plagued with framerate issues. Well, on the games that weren't FMV... just look to Zelda for evidence there.
3DO suffered on both FMV stuttering and sprite and 3D. Return Fire got hectic and would often slow down to a crawl. 3DO's version of Samurai Showdown was the first to do the scrolling in and out on a console other than Neo Geo yet despite this, zoom effects dropped frames like Britney drops crazy pills.
Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:32AM (Unverified) said
Nice try Noshino...but um...I don't think your arguments are going to save your failing system.
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Posted: Dec 14th 2007 10:53AM (Unverified) said
Honestly, Activision really needs to stop drooling all over themselves.
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