This thread makes me lul -_-

The problem here is that anyone who is into PC enthusiast gaming uses either newgroups, or bittorrents.

World of Warcraft is a prime example. You can't download WoW, but if you could, I can assure you that the total box sales would be cut by 75%.

PC gaming will always suffer from piracy. There's no way to prevent it. Half-life 2 had to be authenticated by Steam through the internet, but it took maybe a week or two before that was bypassed. Consoles can be modded to do the same, but systems such as the 360 requires fancy modding that may or may not get you banned from online play. Plus you can't just download a file and click setup.exe, you have to probably send in your unit, have it physically opened and modded. That's more work than most console owners want.

If you think piracy doesn't dramatically affect sales for this title, or any other AAA PC title, then you're quite naive.


PS. Nvidia has killed off the $400-500 video card with the 8800GT and 8800GTS 512mb cards. Both sell for anywhere from $250 to $340, and can be considered top of the line when it comes to effects and resolutions. Honestly, the requirements for the game got blown out of proportion from people who just don't know jack.

Still, it works both ways. I could play my Xbox 360 on my CRT TV in 480i, but if I want my games in 720p/1080i I have to spend $1000 or more on a TV.

I am not saying that the 360/PS3 version is better. I am saying that it is a bigger bang for the buck. One of you talked highly about the 8800 GTS 512. I went to Newegg and the cheapest card is $359 - the same price as a Premium 360 with two games.

You guys are nuts if you think that Crytek is pleased with these types of sales. Licensing the engine or not, nobody wants to spend 2 years on a game to get 80k worth in sales. That is just stupid. This game received alot of pre-release attention and 80k in a week is sad. BTW, I think Halo 3 sold 1.7 million units in the same time period. Console sales on black Friday were something like 2.4 billion. Don't even try to tell me that the graphics market or pc gaming was even close to this. Don't kid yourself - money matters to developers. They are, after all, out to make a profit. Thinking that developers don't care when their games don't sell well is shortsighted.

PC's will always be better than consoles. That is a no brainer. That said, I hate the graphics card industry and the constant need to upgrade.

Finally, those of you that question a console's ability to make great looking games clearly haven't played call of duty 4. That game looks better than most pc shooters and it played on my $300 console.

I am installing Vista on my MacBook Pro to play UTIII right now. That is how much I wanted it. Americans suck.

Not buying an EA game, ever.

There's a reason the first UT sold so well - it had an option to play on extremely low graphics machines (if I recall, it had an option for 320x200 rez!)

It's GAMEPLAY, not GRAPHICS, that sells a game.

Here's a comment from one developers working in Tripwire on the situation :

"These NPD numbers are VERY misleading for PC games having seen this with our own game (Red Orchestra:Ostfront). Basically, the US is very console heavy, and Europe is very PC heavy. So you can estimate that whatever the NPD numbers were for a PC game, there was probably over 3x more in Europe and elsewhere. So if UT3 sold 30,000 in the US, I would guess it sold a total of 100,000+ in those two weeks worldwide. And if Crysis did 85,000 in the US, it probably did around 300,000 worldwide. And that doesn't even include digital downloads or online sales. Add those in and the numbers would be much much bigger.

PC gaming has entered the internet age. Lots of people buy their games online, and through digital distribution (unlike consoles). NPD leaving these elements out completely skews the sales numbers. It would be like calculating holiday shopping sales and ignoring all those poeple that used credit cards or debit cards."

In other words, it's almost as stupid to focus on PC game sales from the US as it is to focus on 360 game sales in Japan.

Also, Cevat Yerli has already stated many times that Crysis in it's present state is not going to run on current-gen consoles. A spin-off made by EA is plausible, but it won't the same game.

what should be fun to see, is if console versions of UTIII sell more than the PC version... hmmmmmmm

I think that people that say "Americans suck" suck. Where are you from? You probably live under a rock somewhere because it is clear that you are jealous of my country.

Crisis should have been a console title, very few people have $6000 game machines to run it. The average "gamer" buys the $500-$600 computer from Walmart that'll run WoW smoothly.

UT3.. well epic pissed off A LOT of fans with what they did to the 360 community by adding new stuff to the Gears PC and not offering it to 360 owners. I have a feeling that I wasn't the only gamer that didn't bother with UT3 for the PC and won't be getting it for PS3 either.

If they port crysis over to a console it will be only for marketing and will be a horrible game.

ie. "see how powerful our console is? it can play a game designed for bajillion dollar computers." However the console port will have numerous things taken out and will not be running the same game as PCs. Granted, it will be heavily optimized, and will run well, but it won't be the behemoth that it was on PCs.

Also: I did buy it, and I do have a good gaming PC. After playing through the game with decent frame rates and a fair amount of eye candy turned on, it was a dud. The only saving grace for the game to me now is the level editor which will get axed from the console version aside from possibly the PS3 since it is more open to those kinds of things.

interesting it runs fine on medium on a 7600,1GB ramm and a X24200+ or intel P4 954 or better, its not that intensive.

BTW I am enjoying UT3 even tho its not as fun as UT99 its still a better game than 03/04.

Crysis runs well on non-monster PCs in lower detail modes...

...BUT the game has been marketed solely on its GRAPHICS. Most people wouldn't feel it was worth buying Crysis unless they felt they could run it in high detail mode.
It'd be like buying a ferrari when the speed limit in your country was 20mph.

uh, I really dont understand why people are whining about the req's of this game, it is perfectly playable, and with fairly decent graphics, on just about any machine with a 3 generation old decent GPU and 2gb+ of ram (which is about 70$ on newegg.com, and anyone running less than 2gb and gaming is a moron). My machine with an x1950pro (hardly a budget-busting gpu) and a mid-range (e6600) c2d can run this game at medium-high settings, at 45fps, with only very occasional slideshows (mostly when you blow up the gas station, the tank at the same time, and the resulting fireball causes the helicopter flying low over it to also explode... aka, very occasional), and even those last barely seconds.

In other news, The Witcher sold more than 1 million copies a month ago.
http://www.n4g.com/News-81964.aspx
Oh but of course Joystiq wouldn't report on that. Who really cares about the world outside the US, aside from these European pricks?
http://www.msxnet.org/humour/world-according-to-america.png

People , its time to buy a PS3 , because Crysis is comming :)

US Retail for PC has always been niche at best. I'd be curious to know what the European numbers are, I'm betting they are far better for Crysis. The NPD is absolutley pointless when it comes to tracking PC Gaming.

MMO's, Digital Distribution and the rest of the world aren't counted in NPD figures, at all. There good for the console gaming industry where the US is the main market and it's almost all retail. The problem arises when people apply the NPD to the PC Gaming industry, which gives off a false outlook.

Some of you kids need to read the report they post every year instead of bashing on a platform you know nothing about, than again, this is joystiq. Console fanboys galore

Can't compare pc game sales to console game sales, It doesn't even make sense too, Considering 90% of the asstards who still play pc games steal the software off torrent sites and irc networks. Blame the internet criminals for poor pc game sales not the genre being worn out or the players rig not being able to run the game, Go check out Crysis on a torrent site and read how it's being downloaded 22,000 times a day, The game is in high demand but why pay when you can steal for free?

What did they expect from a game that requires a brand new PC to play?
My 8 month old computer can barely handle Crysis on low settings. Same computer that plays GoW with no problems.
Maybe in 3 or 4 years I will get to enjoy Crysis

I'm quite surprised with this. But then again these two games need a really decent PC to run them well without lag or any interference. I guess I'm in that minority, my computer can handle UT3 on high resolution 1600x1200.
I'm sure many people would love to have UT3! But most people don't have the money to upgrade their PC's :(
I still enjoy UT2004 :)

Thats my 2 cents. :D

Some of you make no sense. You think that just because you bought a PC a year ago you should be able to run everything at 1600x1200 very high on all settings 16xAF 8xAA at 60fps. This is not reality.

Crysis at medium settings looks better than the majority of games coming out nowadays, and PC equipment that has been out for the last 2 years can handle that. (My athlon 64 3700 + ATI X1900xtx runs it just fine).

The good thing is when you do decide to upgrade, hey now you can replay at the highest settings and itll be a better experience.

But with your attitudes, Crytek would've been much better off dropping the current high and very high detail settings and simple making the current medium settings the highest settings.

Hear that developers- don't push the graphics envelope anymore!

After reading this thread, I'm beginning to understand just how bad the problem of piracy really is. Does anybody out there who downloads games illegally still think that they aren't hurting the industry, or are they finally going to admit that they just don't care?

So what the hardcore PC gamers are saying is that you're not kewl enough if you don't buy a new PC every six months, or at the very least upgrade your RAM, CPU, and video card in that time period. According to the hardcore PC gamers, you should happily suck up that $850 annual fee (and that's a kind estimate if you consider some of the upgrades they perform every few months) as the price for playing.

Yeah... Uh... No thanks. That's why I left PC gamers behind ages ago. Bunch of losers that are more interested in how many FPSs they can push than the actual gameplay.

As for the computer's power-- Well, I gave up building PCs to be gaming rigs. It's just plain stupid trying to be bleeding edge all the time. It's not worth the time, money, or effort when I can have a similar experience on a console. Sure, the PC might run at 60fps with all the right upgrades, but the console is at least consistent and doesn't vary from one system to another. I can just play instead of spending all my time tweaking.

But PC gamers are like car guys. It's not the car itself, or even the race that matters. It's the time they get to spend with their heads under the hood. THAT is the real game played by PC gamers... It's all about measuring penis size by comparing rigs. Whoever has the most fans or the newest video card wins.

Frankly, all those people can keep on playing Counterstrike until they perish. I can do without them in the console world.

I wish I could say I was surprised. Crysis is without a doubt one of the worst games I've played this year, and UT3 was a massive letdown.

Crytek made the game look pretty, run good, but the AI was so, very bad, it completely ruins the game. Helicopters magically knowing where you are, even when invisble, and the ability to throw a person off a cliff, have them survive, but still not be onto your location...

Epic also did real bad. The fact that they made concessions for the console crowd ruined the game. Less of a focus on DM, and extra focus on the craptacular Onslaught 2.0 mode. Slow reload times, clunky character feel... well, at least they can release more maps and fix the small issues with some minor patches..

With The Orange Box and CoD 4 out, why get this?

Don't worry, as more and more people get quality hardware, the sales will gradually go up. For Crysis, at least. Can't say the same for UT3.

Anyone that says you have to have a $400-600 graphics card to run it good is dead-fucking-wrong. My ENTIRE computer was no more than $600 and it plays Crysis all high settings 1024x768. That's what, $200 higher than what most of you paid for a 360? Yeah you 360 fanboys can go away. Ignorant morons.

I got an 8800GTX when it launch, and I couldn't be happier with that purchase.

Anyone who says I should be feeling bad is a console happy moron.

So the GTS is $200 a year later. So freakin' what? Why would I wait 12 months to save $200 while for a whole year I could be experiencing the best frames, resolution, and image quality money can offer?

$200 or wait a year??...

And it isn't like my 8800GTX is dead now. It is still top of the line, and can do anything the PS3/360 can, except much better.

On my 24'' monitor I get faster frames, better textures and sexy resolutions. The difference between Bioshock on the 360 and PC is jaw dropping.

Also take the time to look up Oblivion on the 360 and Oblivion on the PC with all the free visual modifications. It is a difference of night and day.

My friends who play Oblivion on the 360 are amazed at how much better it looks on the PC with the free mods. AND it runs better.

With a keyboard and mouse setup, PC gaming is on a whole new level. Anyone who games on a 360 and then tries a $800 PC (8800GT,CoreDuo,4GBDDR2) will experience something that will make him want to sell his 360 without hesitation.

As for Crysis... mate those were 2 week sales. Let's see how it does in December during the holiday season.

And let's not forget, whenever people buy their new 8800GTs, Crysis will be their first buy. That's why the game will sell steadily into 2009, because visual levels of the game are still locked.

And aside from the US of A, the game is the best seller in Germany, and still in the top 3 in Australia, UK, most of Europe and even freakin' Japan.

http://www.elspa.com/?c=/charts/uk.jsp&ct=27

I am running the game on high settings, and it looks infinitely better than Halo3, Gears of War, Call of Duty 4 or any other game that qualifies as a shooter on a console.

I still only play Space Invaders.

My problem is that I cannot and will not play First Person Shooters on the console until they get full and complete mouse/keyboard support. Call me spoiled (true) call me ancient (very true) but FPS's just are not meant to play on a gamepad/joystick.

So I play on the PC and I always buy my games to support the PC gaming community. Plus I have 30+ PC games on my system, most of which don't even exist in the Console market.

TBH I bought Gears of War for the PC and was completely pissed off when I found it really didn't play well with the keyboard because they ported it so badly. But I am very happy with Crysis, COD4, ETQW, Orange Box, MOH: Airborne and UT3 on my PC. So GoW will probably get sold off.