Super Mario Galaxy DS video a hoax
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About ten days ago, we got our first glimpse of a video showing a downloadable, Nintendo DS version of Super Mario Galaxy, supposedly hidden inside the Wii version of the game. We watched with rapt attention as the shaky-cam footage showed Mario and Luigi jumping from the Wii to the DS using a previously unknown, hidden galaxy and the DS' WiFi download capabilities. We were surprised to see low-resolution versions of Mario and Luigi running around low-resolution versions of familiar Mario Galaxy levels. We were shocked and hopeful when the video promised each DS star would be redeemable for 10 Wii shop points.
We weren't ready to definitively declare the video real or fake at the time, but now, after some digging, we're ready to set the record straight on this hoax. Read on for our evidence and thoughts on the matter.
Like all the best fakes, this video has at least a grain of truth to it. (SPOILERS AHEAD) A playable Luigi is indeed unlockable after Mario collects 120 stars, and a hidden 121st star is available if you recollect the original 120 with Luigi (END OF SPOILERS). But we were a more than a little incredulous about the rest of the video. For one, not a single guide we could find mentioned the unlockable DS version of the game -- an important secret if ever we've heard of one. For another, the running and jumping physics in both the Wii and DS sections of the video seemed a little off. We also found it hard to believe that such a complex game could be transferred wholesale into the DS' limited on-board memory via a wireless connection. (Nintendo, for their part, said they don't comment on rumors).
Then again, we couldn't be absolutely sure the video was a fake. No one on the Joystiq team has personally gone through the herculean task of completing the game twice, and the video evidence did seem relatively convincing. Most media outlets (including our own DSFanboy) treated the video with the necessary skepticism, many labeling it a fan-made fake right off the bat. Some of the video's hundreds of thousands of viewers (both at GameTrailers and on YouTube) weren't so incredulous, though. "Whoa! I had NO IDEA that galaxy was coming to the DS until I saw this vid!" said one GT commenter. "Maybe I'm stupid and maybe it's just wishful thinking but it looks damn real to me," said another on Digg.
Sorry, hopeful commenters, but this thing is definitely a fake. How do we know? Well a little digging turned up an slightly shorter, more stable version of the same footage posted on video-sharing site Stage6 by user psycho3ler. If that handle sounds familiar, it might be because it belongs to Pablo Belmonte, the talented video editor behind the now-infamous Nintendo ON hoax video posted back in 2005 (More on that hoax here). The extended footage on Stage6 even shows a Nintendo ON-shaped planet that is cut out of the GameTrailers version (however, the Stage6 version does NOT include the "Mario arithmetic" introduction and the Wii-point-promising conclusion that are in the GameTrailers version).
Still not convinced? Read the description that goes along with the Stage6 video (translated from the Spanish). Titled "Displaying the impossible" and dated "November 29, 2007" Belmonte's stated objectives for the video included "recreating the characters, elements of the scene, techniques, camera movement and lighting of the game Super Mario Galaxy" as well as "simulating a conversion for the Nintendo DS, which visually approaches everything possible on the Wii version, but using the same amount of polygons ... lighting and texture memory as Super Mario 64 DS." Even as cynical rumor debunkers, we have to say Delmonte succeeded at these objectives pretty brilliantly.
While we're happy our initial skepticism has been validated, we're a little bummed now that our hopes have been raised, ever so briefly, just to be shattered. Nintendo, if you decide to take the intense interest in this video as potential interest in an actual Nintendo DS port of Super Mario Galaxy, you'd have our support.
Reader Comments (59)
Posted: Feb 13th 2008 11:38AM (Unverified) said
I have viewed all the files of SMG and I saw no .nds files, nor any planets like the one one the video. Obviously fake.
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Posted: Dec 19th 2007 11:07PM (Unverified) said
I thought we all knew this to be fake from day one?
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 12:30AM (Unverified) said
Whoever thought this was real should stop playing video games forever.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 12:30AM (Unverified) said
Whoever thought this was real should stop playing video games forever.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 12:44AM (Unverified) said
I think thats Gonk signature or something.
Anyway most Youtube users = dead brain teenagers= They should die ASAP.Seriosuly Youtube people are the worst,you can't watch a video without some spaz saying something negative.
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Anyway most Youtube users = dead brain teenagers= They should die ASAP.Seriosuly Youtube people are the worst,you can't watch a video without some spaz saying something negative.
Posted: Dec 20th 2007 11:16AM bm111 said
Oh wow, someone actually thought this was real?
If it wasn't the whole concept of it that's just too strange, there's the fact that the character modeling and animation in both Wii and DS versions of characters in that video is just off in a weird way that you would never, ever see in a modern Nintendo game. The guy who makes these videos (at least I'm assuming it's the same guy from the celshaded GBA Mario and early Revolution videos) always seems to have that problem with characters, making them instantly recognisable as fake.
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If it wasn't the whole concept of it that's just too strange, there's the fact that the character modeling and animation in both Wii and DS versions of characters in that video is just off in a weird way that you would never, ever see in a modern Nintendo game. The guy who makes these videos (at least I'm assuming it's the same guy from the celshaded GBA Mario and early Revolution videos) always seems to have that problem with characters, making them instantly recognisable as fake.
Posted: Dec 20th 2007 3:36PM SpeeGold said
I don't understand why anyone even for a second thought this was real. The environments are pretty well done, but the character models in the Wii version are clearly fake. Look at Mario when he gets the Golden DS. It looks nothing like Mario in the real version of SMG.
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Posted: Dec 19th 2007 11:23PM (Unverified) said
Yea, he did a great job... of wasting untold hours of his life! And for what?
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Posted: Dec 19th 2007 11:41PM (Unverified) said
that type of skill and the notoriety these hoaxes lend his name, he will get an amazing job at just about anywhere he wants.
that's what for
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that's what for
Posted: Dec 19th 2007 11:26PM (Unverified) said
yeah, thanks for the fucking spoiler warning!!! a lot of good it does after the jump, when i've already watched the video!!! arrrgghhhh!!!!!!
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Posted: Dec 19th 2007 11:57PM (Unverified) said
Agreed.
Mario Galaxy is serious Business; now you ruined it for me. You suck at internets Kyle Orland.
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Mario Galaxy is serious Business; now you ruined it for me. You suck at internets Kyle Orland.
Posted: Dec 20th 2007 12:18AM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said
Oh, snap. Kyle got called out by AL GORE, inventor of the Internets! You're in SERIOUS BUSINESS now!
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Posted: Dec 19th 2007 11:24PM (Unverified) said
why in the world would someone make a hoax about this? And how could it be this high of quality so close to the game's release? I call shinanigans on the shinanigans calling.. It's too real to be a hoax. That would be months of work right there..
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 10:32AM phoenixgeek said
Apologies if this was sarcasm I didn't pick up on, but isn't that about the same argument people used when the Nintendo ON video appeared?
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 12:51AM LAZoftheTamarinds said
I feel the same way. It would been awesome!
But unfortunately it's a hoax. :(
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But unfortunately it's a hoax. :(
Posted: Dec 20th 2007 12:56AM (Unverified) said
i don't even care about the wii/ds compatibility.. just give me Mario Galaxy DS!!
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 5:14PM ThornedVenom said
Somebody needs to visit the "What if?" machine.
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Posted: Dec 19th 2007 11:54PM DomoBraden said
You failed to mention the the character models during the "Wii" segments of the video are noticeable different from the actual game. It was the clearest indication of a hoax, even while considering the complete absurdity of Nintendo giving 10 Wii points for each star.
Seriously, I have to give a sincere "lolwut" to the fact that anyone actually believed this. To it's credit it is VERY well done, so kudos to the creator.
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Seriously, I have to give a sincere "lolwut" to the fact that anyone actually believed this. To it's credit it is VERY well done, so kudos to the creator.
Posted: Dec 19th 2007 11:56PM (Unverified) said
"each DS star would be redeemable for 10 Wii shop points."
That right there is all anyone needs in order to be certain it's a hoax.
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That right there is all anyone needs in order to be certain it's a hoax.
Posted: Dec 19th 2007 11:57PM (Unverified) said
The hoaxer got a little too ambitious. He blew the lid off the outstanding, exceptional video with a claim so bogus, it would make Bill Clinton blush: Who could believe Nintendo (or anyone) would hand out real-world money for collecting stars?
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 12:21AM (Unverified) said
Who the hell would have entertained, for one second, the notion that this was real at all?
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 12:40AM (Unverified) said
Heh, though I score no points for making this remark *after* it's been confirmed, I suspected this might have been the work of the Nintendo On guy when I first saw it. It has that same distinctive fetish for numbers that his previous work did. If he'd tone that down a bit, it'd be more believable.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 12:44AM (Unverified) said
I think it's hilarious that no one here immediately thought 'Nintendo ON' guy when they saw this.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 1:15AM (Unverified) said
I was seriously trying to figure out who could do so much work on a video. I feel stupid that I didn't realize until it was written down.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 12:51AM (Unverified) said
I'm impressed but that was a lot of effort for a hoax, really what is he gaining from all this? unless this is his way to say "Hey Nintendo Super Mario Galaxy Now Kthnxby" that was a big waste of time and resources, hell that guy must be a millionaire or something I mean I don't even have the time to play effing Guitar Hero and this guy have the time to do these videos and with a really good quality well not enough but it can fool the naked eye.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 1:10AM (Unverified) said
I'm happy and unhappy for Belmont. He still does not have a job at Nintendo. Are they stupid? I'm saying that out loud. I think they could use his talent, and he's definitely got it! X, that GameBoy game got a Japanese release from a bunch of random British people for it's ability to have 3D one the original GameBoy. Nintendo was always out seeking those people. No anymore...
This is a video of someone not only duplicating the look and physics of Super Mario Galaxy all by himself (even though the physics are a bit off... duh), but of someone also showing what a DS port would be. I can't believe they wouldn't even consider him. Reggie publicly stated something about him, but otherwise, he lied.
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This is a video of someone not only duplicating the look and physics of Super Mario Galaxy all by himself (even though the physics are a bit off... duh), but of someone also showing what a DS port would be. I can't believe they wouldn't even consider him. Reggie publicly stated something about him, but otherwise, he lied.
Posted: Dec 20th 2007 6:37PM (Unverified) said
I know that! If he can render a video like that, it's almost the exact same as making a game. Trust me, the can render a game from scratch, that's amazing in itself. Then think of if you got him making games. It's the same process. An FMV is almost made the same as a game. You have to model everything in an FMV though, that's the difference.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 2:03AM (Unverified) said
I don't think Nintendo ever spell Wii as WII, that was an instant giveaway.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 3:51AM (Unverified) said
Oh come on, Joystiq. The video wasn't a hoax, because no-one claimed it was real. Right from the beginning everyone knew it was fan made.
Just google "mario galaxy ds fan video" and you'll see that pretty much everyone reported it as a fan video and not as a real game.
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Just google "mario galaxy ds fan video" and you'll see that pretty much everyone reported it as a fan video and not as a real game.
Posted: Dec 20th 2007 5:00AM (Unverified) said
Is it really worth the time and effort to make these hoaxes?
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 5:44AM SoCoolCurt said
he certainly put alot of work into the fake, ill give him that. its actually very convincing.
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Posted: Dec 20th 2007 8:58AM (Unverified) said
Yeah, I've finished the game with all 121 stars,(242 counting Luigi's) so I knew it was fake. Would have been sweet though.
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