Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom demo goes Live

I still prefer Revengers of Vengeance for Sega CD as best game title ever.

Ha ha.. I've never heard of that one. That IS good!

I don't know if it sucks. I wouldn't spend $60 but it's a great time waster though.
Yeah, there's no block button. That kills so much potential

Huh...sounds like you just described Heavenly Sword. Maybe I'll just finish that instead. At least it has a halfway decent story...

Once you get used to the autoblock system of Heavenly Sword, you'll start countering more and then the possibilities of the games fighting system just opens up. Plus, knowing how to counter is a necessity against the end boss. I had a hard time whittling away through melee battle but once you start countering certain attacks of his, suddenly it becomes possible.

I also thoroughly enjoyed the "Kill 500 people" sequence. Those who have played know what I'm talking about, those who haven't will understand once it happens.

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I thought the same thing, only 2 things to look at so far, and its not much. Either its just a slow VGnews day or everybody is on vacation. Thanks Joystiq for making my work day seem longer >:(

Well, there is no autoblock. There is no blocking at all. I don't know if leveling up makes your character learn to block or anything but as it is now, if you let go of the controller, you'll get smacked around by enemies.
I read a review (game is already out in NZ and the Japan versions has 8 languages or so) and it says you can't block AT ALL. Weird since even your enemies can block your attacks...

kill 500 people? bah, kingdom hearts 2 had a kill 1000 sequence

There is no other PC game I would want more than Diablo 3..well maybe another
Grim Fandango title but I don’t think we will get Diablo 3 in a long time also I heard that the creators of Diablo don’t work for Blizzard anymore.

It seems Blizardvision is more concerned about whoring World of Warcraft and releasing Starcraft 2 

If it takes, on average, 10 hits to die and you need to fight 50 enemies, if they were all fast and attacked a lot the chances of actually making it through would be pretty slim. Hell, the moment you stop defending ten of them could hit you at once.

It /could/ be fighting 5 smart, effective enemies, but it generally looks cooler fighting 50 stacks of useless meat.

A realistic game doesn't mean that a game will be fun.

Unless you're into Ninja Gaiden difficulty.

Solo, these games are good time wasters to "kinda fun." But throw in a friend.... BAMMO! Instant glory.

NWN was also a d20 system...

Graphics are impressive indeed. But in NWN enemies were better.

And I hardly can call what NWN has a "boss fight." They are more reflection for you on how good leveled you are and whether you are ready to move on in the game. All in all there are *NO* bosses in NWN - they are plain monsters of (generally) same level as you are. (Simple monsters are normally few levels below).

To me NWN doesn't have boss fights - because they are integral part of game play. Compare with Metroid where going thru dungeon is one - and actually fun - thing and fighting a "boss" which is boring, repetitive and has little/nothing to do with general game play. Fighting is even done in specifically designed environment.

What makes me really puke in the video, is realism. Or lack of thereof: 50 against one - and the one still wins. C'mon, is the game about idiots for idiots? Visuals are not substitute for balanced game play.

Well, not defending this game BUT... in middle ages it was often a very common tactic to surround a particularly dangerous enemy until someone much more qualified could come and fight them. So at least the historical significance of "circling" does have SOME value. This was also a tactic used to try and "route" certain groups away from a tactical point. And in many of these Dynasty Warriors style games, you never play as a peon but as a recognized general.

Besides, as the old saying goes, give a farmer a sword and he's still just a farmer. Many of histories huge armies consisted of drafted men rather than trained soldiers. So I can forgive my super badass beating a bunch of nOObS. However, I never played a game like this where you play a Musashi. In which case, you should just start a mission and win. PERIOD!

Wow, I take it you've never PLAYED one of these games. Well, first off, allow me to say this...

I said it was a legitimate battlefield technique tried and true regardless of empires. Hell, there is evidence of it's use as far back as ancient Greece. Fact of the matter, circling an enemy when you have numbers to do so does have historical fact. Now I'm not defending the overuse of this tactic in modern games, but it does have historical value.

Also, PLAY Dynasty Warriors 5 and you'll notice something. Standard soldiers like your own team commands tend to battle one on one, seeing two forces clash is chaotic. But find a general, and you'll notice they are circling or trying to route the general into the line of fire from archers or generally push them against walls. This works in your army and in theirs. Now this is Dynasty Warriors, the defacto standard and superior of these games. Cannot speak on N3 or others since, when I played those demos, the AI lacked any sort of organization. Including on my side.

Now, when I say you haven't played these games to make a statement such as "Gamers are so dumb now the only thing they know is "push X really fast!!!!!11"." is because you've obviously never had to deal with holding a line of defense as three generals march on you. Nor did you have to deal with essentially needing to route forces from certain locations. Again, I speak of Dynasty Warriors. Because if you simple tap X through the stage, you'll receive your kills, but you'll lose the scenario. You need a strategy when handling the generals as well since just tapping works dick all.

But I guess it's just a natural progression of the beat em up games, after all. Since in the past, nobody spoke of the huge depth to Space Invaders or Double Dragon. These "mindless" brawlers have been here a while, so next time you start waxing peotic on the stupidity of modern gamers, please keep in mind The Simpsons arcade game has a fraction of the depth and variety of the latest Simpsons game, and yet which one is a piece of shit?

The latest Simpsons console game was actually pretty good if you took the time to play all the way through it. Tired game mechanics aside, it really did look and feel as if you were playing through a Simpsons cartoon. And for a long time fan, I really couldn't ask for more than that.

Calm down? So if our opinion is that the enemies should do something, we need to be quiet? Pretty damn sterile world you want to live in. Your opinion isn't all that matters.

When did I say that others' opinions didn't matter?

I didn't.

I was merely expressing MY opinion that the way that some of the other commenters seem to be getting fired up about the core mechanics of this kind of game seem a little over-dramatic.

Well that certainly makes sense considering Shadowrun...