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Posted: Feb 2nd 2008 3:23AM (Unverified) said

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I will be on my sixth console on tuesday when i get it back. My first 3 broke in such rapid sucsession that I was luckily able to return them to Wal Mart. The last 3 however SUCKED. They worked great untill a release that I was exited about was coming then they Red Ringed. Microsoft has the worst Repair Service I have ever used. You would think that a multi billion dollar company could produce a halfway decent console. Even if they cant do that they should be able to have a unstressfull repair experience. Heres to my new consle being the one that finally works. I REALLY want to play CoD4.
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Posted: Jan 1st 2008 11:44PM Sinth said

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Not saying I doubt your report, but I am still on my first generation 360, purchased on opening day, without a single problem. I have logged hundreds of hours without issue. I only have one friend of about 7 who have had to return their Xbox for warranty return.
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Posted: Jan 1st 2008 11:56PM (Unverified) said

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I'm glad you're not doubting their stories, especially since EVERYONE else has had problems but you and 7 of the 8 friends with 360s. Give it time, yours will die too.
Another prominent gaming podcaster recently just experienced the RRoD of his launch 360 too, after thinking he had been the chosen one, since everyone else that owned one he knew had died at least once.
You can't act like this is uncommon for this console, this story has been around for a long time, and was the whole reason why they extended the warranty to 3 years for this specific problem.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 12:27AM MLC said

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Thats great that your system hasnt crashed. Just because yours hasnt defected doesnt mean it doesnt happen. I mean, just because i've never had a STD doesnt mean that they don't exist. Most of my friends have 360s and ALL of them had to either return their system or contact M$ at least once. RROD is the main reason why I haven't "jumped in". Regardless of what any1 thinks. When I buy something, it'd better work/last. I could care less about the length of the warranty, it better damn work. Period! I dont want the hassle of contacting the manufacture or etc. W/ the amount of money Sony & M$ has, defects should not exist if not minimal. Unless they don't give a damn about the consumer.Bottom-line, consoles that costs as much they do better last and the companies that messed up should be held liable. And just because a console has a large library of games for it, shouldn't cover up the fact that the console itself is crappy.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 12:34AM (Unverified) said

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yey my launch console died just round when halo 3 come out >.< got it back.... about 2 weeks l8er the DVD stop workin ..godjust my luck.. I love the games and all but this has been my 1st system in over 16 years of gaming to stop workin?.... So i just got a new system with the smaller CPU sames to be alot better.
I would like to know how many of the xbox360 sales have been people buyin a 2nd/3rd system =S maybe over 10%..... still that would mean over a Mill >.<

P.S not sure if we can count the Dreamcast... took it 8 years to stop
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 12:56AM Vol said

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Well, I have been involved in the purchase of 3 Xbox 360s at launch (including mine, friend and nephew). All 3 have died. Enough said.

At least there is a 3 year warranty. Think about it, at the end of this year, the warranty is expired for launch consoles! :-O It'll be here before we know it. That shouldn't keep people from trying the best "next-gen" gaming system though.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 1:26AM spin cycle said

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Yeah NapalmBoy, you sure sussed it. Joystiq hates 360. They're biased. This is an elaborate scam to slander the 360. And the sick part is the sole reason for this effort is because they're so jealous of 360 owners.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 2:20AM MrClickerson said

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Really Scoots? Because I'm on my launch day console as well, without a single issue, and it WON'T happen to me, because I know why the RRoD happens, and I know how to prevent it.

Its cause by overheating, and you can prevent it by giving it room to "breath", not just stuffing it under your TV in that confined cabinet.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 2:27AM MrClickerson said

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I personally feel all you tards should learn to take care of your consoles. Maybe if you didn't let it heat up, and gave it some room to get cool air, then you wouldn't have these issues.

Microsoft didn't make the 360 to fail, you people just don't know how to take care of it. Pop it open. Its the same quality parts you would find in any PC.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 2:43AM plyx said

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@Zeus the God:
I treated my 360 like a baby. It still died. The same thing goes for many people, counting the contributors to this website. I hope MS refuses to touch yours when it fucks up, YSFPOMSA.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 2:49AM spin cycle said

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Zeus the God:

Why is it that VPs at Microsoft can admit the 360 has design flaws and yet people like you still try to say it isn't so? If it isn't so, why did MS say it was? Why take a $1B write down over it? Wouldn't their shareholders sue them if they took a write down like this when it wasn't necessary?

I made a custom temperature-controlled ventilated cabinet for my 360. It has a thermometer in there too so I can monitor the temperature. It's never gotten over 100 degrees F in there and yet my 360 still ate it twice. Oh, and my PS3 is in the same cabinet and it has no problems.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 3:28AM imadogg said

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I've never had a problem with mine, you guys are all idiots.

Jk I'm on my 3rd 360, first got it (like Ross) when the shortages ended in April 06. Both RRoDs, but I got a Best Buy warranty so I never went through MY XBOX. I guess this is like the one time an in-store warranty works wonders; I just went in, they opened up the box of a new premium, took off the HDD and put mine on (cuz I told them I wanted to keep it), and I went home and got to playing again.

Newest 360 is working great (no HDMI port though), except for the disc tray not opening sometimes...
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 6:36AM SSUK said

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I'm with NapalmBoy here, I have 1st gen Xbox 360, even though I purchased it November 2006... (The store I got it from must have had it in their stock room for AGES). But I couldn't complain, I got it for £240 back in the day, which is the current going price for a premium.
Haven't had a single problem with it. Well, hardware wise anyway. Older dashboard versions were prone to crashing, were slow and lagging, however the newest dashboard update has smoothed everything out, haven't had it crash once, guide side-blade comes in quickly regardless of what's going on in-game.
So if I've been so lucky so far, well bugger me. I am very, very, VERY unlucky when it comes to just about anything, let alone electronics.

However, I don't doubt Joystiq's article here. They sound like genuine faults which can go wrong, the most interesting not being RRoD failures. But given Microsoft's track record with hardware testing (360 wireless headset anyone? MS fingerprint reader for PC?) I think they've learnt a few lessons about hardware testing, well, one would hope anyway. And there should be a variety of stress tests put apon a future Xbox design to prevent more RRoD-like problems. Then again, I seem to recall my Dreamcast breaking down because one electronic board was pushed away from the motherboard because the glue that kept it together wore over time and the heat made it warp, so the console would randomly reset itself. So even the former big-guns of the gaming industry can make mistakes...
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 6:45AM MrClickerson said

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I don't deny that the 360 has flaws- its main flaw is that it can't keep itself cool without space, but guess what, if you weren't a tard, you would give it enough space, and you wouldn't have that issue.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 9:15AM The1 said

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I am still on my first X360 that I got at Launch in 2K5.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 9:32AM (Unverified) said

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My Xbox360 died twice last year in that same year my 20GB PS3 died don't know how? But my Wii is still standing. I guess you are lucky but your time will come:)
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 1:38PM (Unverified) said

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Zeus, you take the cake for most idiotic comment of the day. I built a special shelving unit for my launch 360 with a small fan unit above it that circulated air. The console sat in the open, not enclosed and was covered from dust only after it had sufficiently cooled.

I got RRODed. And I had 2 refurds (1 DOA) since then. I traded the second that was intermittently RRODing in on a HALO edition. Just wait, your day is coming.
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Posted: Jan 1st 2008 11:50PM KaneRobot said

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I've had to send mine in twice, although only the second time was due to the rings (first time was due to the graphics card crapping out, believe it or not).

It lessens the pain a lot that they give you a free month of Live when you get your console back, so you're essentially not losing any of your subscription that you paid for.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 9:56AM (Unverified) said

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I'm breakin the new year with a repaired 360...my third one! That's right kiddies, somewhere out there, on a UPS transport, is my 360 "coffin". I bet it arrives just when MS Live get's the bugs worked out...
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 10:14AM (Unverified) said

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My graphics card went out too, but since it wasn't the Red Ring of Death M$ wouldn't fix it. The extended warranty only applied to the RRoD.

So I bought a new one (the games rock too much to ditch the stupid thing completely!) and sine my Xbox Live downloads are tied to my old machine, my wife can't finish her Oblivion game with the expansion because I bought it with my gamer tag. Thanks M$! You rock! (NOT)

And anyone who thinks my Xbox died because I didn't give it good ventilation is a total douchebag. Mine stayed horizontal on a shelf that was open on all sides and had plenty of air around it. The systems break because they are pieces of sh*t.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 7:56PM SpeeGold said

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Correct me if I'm wrong MrBlank, but if you still have your old hard drive, don't they make transfer cables so you can move all that stuff over? I'm pretty sure they come with the 120 gig hard drive, but im sure you could buy them separately (if not, then on eBay).
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Posted: Jan 1st 2008 11:51PM ShadowGod said

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I've had mine since launch day - zero problems. My stepkids played Halo 3 for 18 hours a day and it still held up. If it's "guaranteed to fail" when can I expect that?
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 12:23AM (Unverified) said

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any minute now, if i get my wish. i especially wish it on people who think everyone else is imagining or personally causing the RRoD, or that they have taken such good care it could never happen to them.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 2:08AM ludwigk said

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I had 11 coworkers at my last job who had x360s. 100% of them required replacement within ~8 months, and all together they went through 19 systems, from the total tally over a year ago.

I also worked for a video game publisher where we had 100s of x360s. The 1 year failure percentage was over 100%.
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Posted: Jan 1st 2008 11:53PM NO DOUBT GET LOUD said

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"the Xbox 360 is the most defective console ever manufactured."


Thousands of NES cart blowers just fell off their chairs right now :)
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 12:35AM (Unverified) said

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Hey-- at least we could measure that in years instead of months or weeks.

(Don't forget the *chunka chunka* method)
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 1:03AM embassy said

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thousands?

try millions.

on that note...

i just hope whoever green-lighted the initial batches of 360's has been banished to some low-level Microsoft position..like..minesweeper R&D or something.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 1:20AM Anticrawl said

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Heh I have 3 launch NESs that are still running. That said I never blew in them as the water vaper is what corroded the copper connecters.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 1:50AM samfish said

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My NES still works fine, too.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 2:13AM plyx said

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NES hint: Q-Tips and rubbing alcohol.
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Posted: Jan 1st 2008 11:53PM Offensive Bias said

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This post seems like it's inviting a flame/console war but whatever...

My launch console died about three weeks ago when I went to play some CoD4 after finals. Everyone around me was surprised at how calm I was but I explained that I had more or less come to terms with the issues that the console has and that I expected it sooner or later. FedEx estimates it'll be at my house tomorrow but we'll see, they've been pretty lackadaisical in shipping it so I wouldn't be too surprised if it slips to Thursday.

Hopefully MS will learn from this and put more effort into the build quality of their next console. Probably what you get for being first out of the gate, because wasn't the PS2 pretty shoddy? Never owned one so I wouldn't know.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 10:17AM (Unverified) said

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go skins
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 11:02AM WatTsu said

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Yeah, I (and everyone else I knew who had one) had DRE problems with the original "big" PS2s. My friend actually had to turn his upside down to run it, and even that was a crapshoot. I took mine apart more times than I care to remember to try and fix it, but it never quite worked.

As far as the newer "slim" ones, I haven't heard any issues, as it seems Sony worked out the problems present in the big ones (namely, they took out a lot of empty space and moving parts).

The point is, the 360 isn't the first console that's had problems, and it won't be the last (heck, my PS1 stopped recognizing my controllers after a while). So...yeah.
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Posted: Jan 1st 2008 11:55PM Banstyle said

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I'm on my third. $20 for 2 year warranties at Best Buy isn't so bad.. getting a replacement Arcade console with HDMI was practically an upgrade to my old Premium model. As long as Microsoft can afford it, I don't mind replacement units. Last one died when I was watching a DVD. I don't get it really. :)
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Posted: Jan 1st 2008 11:55PM feikuai said

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How did the Wii die?

Is there a blue glow of death?
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 12:18AM grumpyzrp said

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lol the Wii does not Die
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 12:38AM (Unverified) said

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Although I have never heard of a Wii dieing I did have mine freeze up. I was playing for about 2 hours straight, and it just froze. Of course it worked again the next day and has not forzen since, but it is worth noting that no machine is free from hiccups, but I will agree that the X360 is really not ready for the lifesapn it is going to need to become a powerhouse.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 2:07AM mr nimblewick said

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My launch Wii was experiencing graphical glitches about a month in. I called nintendo and had a new unit in my hands within a few days. Mailed the defective unit back in that box. No problems since.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 2:12AM Obienator said

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Say whatever you will about Nintendo, but their systems give John McLane a run for his money.
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Posted: Jan 3rd 2008 2:33AM MacPhisto said

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I have a launch Wii, and I've noticed that sometimes the disc drive will make a loud grinding noise for a second or two. But that's it. It doesn't leave a single mark on the disc or anything. So I'm hoping that that's not going to lead to anything worse in the future!
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Posted: Jan 1st 2008 11:56PM plyx said

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My launch system died (RRoD) after a few weeks of Halo 3. Got the replacement and upon inspection discovered it had the Zephyr. Sold that one immediately and used the funds towards a brand new Elite. Unfortunately the Elite also has the Zephyr but it does sport the extra heatsink.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 12:00AM Slaziman said

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What's wrong with the Zephyr?
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Posted: Jan 1st 2008 11:57PM Slaziman said

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Damn, there is really no excuse to this. ALL of the people I know with a 360 have had it RRoD once, it's insane!
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Posted: Jan 1st 2008 11:58PM ShadowGod said

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Where can I buy one online and be guaranteed a "Falcon" model? Anywhere?
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 12:01AM Offensive Bias said

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I believe you have to look at the batch number as well as the manufacture date. What it is that you're looking at beats me, but it looks like the only way to guarantee a Falcon is get hands on with it.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 12:06AM Slaziman said

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Or buy the Halo 3 edition. But is a smaller processor die that doesn't even fix RRoD worth having an ugly ass console?
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 12:08AM (Unverified) said

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My story:

I bought my first xbox 360 in november of 2006. It died just after E3 of 2007 with freezing after 5 minutes when it would start and rroding. I sent it in for repairs and while it was gone I purchased another system in prep for Halo 3 and COD 4 online with my brother.

My second system worked fine until on day my cousin was over trying to play halo 3 and he got the "please put this disc in an xbox 360 console" message. I looked at it and thought it was odd. It didn't do it again until it started kicking me out of cod 4 with dirty disc error and then it just would recogized any 360 games.

The system i bought was out of warranty the month after i bought it. So in order to prove that i bought it in august i had to include a print out of my invoice. But i just got it back yesterday and so far everything is fine.

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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 12:09AM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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heh. Mine's a year old and still going strong. Though it will probably happen sooner or later. But I accepted that fact the day when I bought my console.

it's a good thing that the 360 has a strong library of games or else it probably wouldn't be where it is today.
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 12:09AM grumpyzrp said

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when i got my 360 from Amazon...the Amazon box it came in was not messed up in any way.. the 360 box itself was not messed up...but the 360! omg it was fucked up..

The top of the 360 was Dented..(see pictures)the motherboard on the console was positioned wrong..so i couldn't plug anything in..Instant RROD
Amazon Replaced it immediately.. luckily the new one is fine. BTW the 360 has the WORST packaging.. In the box there are 2 pieces of padding.. the 360 is in a sleeve of plastic. thats it.. $400 system and Microshit cant pack it right.. :(

look at the pictures>
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p9042915jg1.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p9042933nt3.jpg
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Posted: Jan 2nd 2008 12:11AM grumpyzrp said

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oh and the 360 was NOT used.. It was NEW..(well..it doesnt look that way)
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