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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 1:31PM (Unverified) said

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I want to side with david cole.

But even I have to admit the PS3 becomes tempting if Blu-Ray is the only HD disc format in town.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 1:47PM (Unverified) said

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if blu-ray does indeed win and the format takes off vs SD media, standalone players will rapidly drop in price. Ps3 will no longer be considered when at the end of 2008 you might be able to pick up a blu ray stand alone player for $99. Where as the ps3 will never be able tod rop as fast or as low as the standalone players.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:13PM Vol said

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I own the PS3 and I have a couple Blu-Ray discs (300 and a NASA documentary). The PS3 upscales DVDs beautifully. If I had the choice between a $15 DVD or $30 Blu-Ray, I am choosing the DVD.

I am upscaling to 1080i on my DLP.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:30PM Duke said

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I have to agree with Cole as well. I just don't think the new formats are that important right now. People have accepted DVD's and are largely happy with them. I for one have reservations when I look at buying another Blu-Ray disc and see the price. They are just too darn high to jump on.

I have 3 or 4 right now, but seeing as we own about 500 movies on DVD, I can't see spending the money on Blu_ray when my eyes can only see so much resolution anyway.

When it comes to a game machine I care about the game selection more than I care about what movies I can watch on it.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 3:14PM (Unverified) said

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@mike

or since there is no pressure on them to compete the prices will decline slower.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:44PM (Unverified) said

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I agree. Like my PS2 and DVDs, Blu-ray wasn't a deciding factor in buying a PS3, but they are both my first player for the respective formats. Its a nice bonus on top of a game system I enjoy.

When (at this point, not if) HD-DVD finally croaks (seriously, can you see it coming back?), it will sound like a much better bonus.

"Plays HD movies." > "Plays one of these two HD movie formats, but not everyone has decided yet... hope you don't want to watch Paramount movies on this thing."
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:46PM EJ A said

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The real issue to wonder is how fast the PS3 can keep up with price drops.

In regards to the HD-format war, the market seems to have the advantage: Blu-ray wins, standalone players drop dramatically.

For the console wars, if MS even gets a whiff of a PS3 price drop, they'll drop the 360's price (and hopefully some SKUs) to have the price advantage.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 3:47PM (Unverified) said

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Actually, commen-cents, with a defined format, manufacturers now have to commit to competing in one format. The competition for Blu-Ray to improve as a format goes away when it has no other format to improve over, but the manufacurers themselves still have to make blu-ray players that are better and cheaper than the other manufacturers.

Basically, since the Blu-Ray format has won, nothing really encourages Sony or others to make the format itself better, or disc prices cheaper, but the players still have to outdo each other.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 3:48PM (Unverified) said

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@ Nato

"when my eyes can only see so much resolution anyway."

lol!

Yeah, because Blu Ray is just too much resolution for our eyes.

My eyes only see in 480p!
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 4:09PM Duke said

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Yours too! Glad i'm not alone on that one.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 10:29PM (Unverified) said

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i would have to agree with vol, i watched shoot em up last night in 1080i and was very unimpressed. dvd's look too good upscaled to quit now. let it get cheaper and have a clear winner first.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 1:35PM (Unverified) said

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Hrrm, i agree, if and only if BD wins. BD definitly is the better format, but it is more costly.

Belive it or not there is room on the market for both formats in the near future. HDDVD could go cheaper than BD, but the problem is people will then associate it with bad quality, and well, the rest is history :\

Anyways, i think it's too early to claim victory for BD... and i would like to hear input on what these guys think if BD loses.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 1:52PM (Unverified) said

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you havent been keeping up with the recent news lately huh?

Warner will be BRD exclusive.
Paramount will use Warners drop of HDDVD for reason to get out of their contract.
Universals exclusive contract with HDDVD has just ended.

Blu ray will win. Its not a question of IF anymore.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:09PM (Unverified) said

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As a PS3 user from the beginning, I am happy to hear that the WAR is almost HOPEFULLY over. I hate after a great movie as my wife and I are leaving the theatre trying to figure out which studios/affiliates are backing which of the HD formats and whether or not its worth buying into both formats to see these movies.

As a gamer, it doesn't change anything for me. But, you 360 fans need to figure out what you want to do. I mean, you machine currently uses SD-DVD and as all games will be making bigger and better games as time goes on, DVDs are going to hit thier limit where as the HD format disks are able to hold much more data and game goodies.
Just like when you move into a bigger place you find a way to fill it with more stuff. Developers of both movies & Games will be taking full advantage of the extra space on the HD formats. And it wont be that far off down the road.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:11PM (Unverified) said

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Paramount already denied that they were going Bluray, it was just a bad rumor. The war continues.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:28PM (Unverified) said

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They denied it because their contract says they have to deny it until it actually happens.

And the universal news is true.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:36PM (Unverified) said

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"Paramount already denied that they were going Bluray, it was just a bad rumor. The war continues."

And two weeks before Warner announced itself exclusive to Blu ray they also denied rumors.

Warner was supposed to speak at the CES08 HDDVD event....remember?
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 1:43PM (Unverified) said

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Blu Ray means nothing to me. I own the PS3 and the Compact Flash slot means more to me then the Blu Ray drive simply because.

1. I'm not re-buying my DVD collection over

2. DVD is not dead and only costs $15,not $30 fucking dollars for a MOVIE.

3. I could care less about high def and the price tag all this equipment carries. I own all 3 consoles and play them on an SDTV.

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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 1:45PM FredFredrickson said

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What, $30 for Benchwarmers didn't sound like a good deal? XD
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 1:55PM (Unverified) said

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well of course you wouldnt care about Blu Ray. You play your games on a SDTV.

When you own a HDTV, you may tend to care a little more.

After watching sports on a HDTV, I wanted all my media to be that impressive.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 1:58PM (Unverified) said

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Marty

lol
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:04PM (Unverified) said

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Stop by Best Buy sometime soon. I recently purchased three movies for $20 each. The have a set about 8-10 movies each week that go on sale for $20. Also, if you have a RewardZone card you can print out additional $20 off the purchase of three blu-ray movies.

Yes, some movies are still $30. Most movies are not. And depending on the movie, it's not even worth it to have it on DVD vs. Blu-Ray. High budget action movies, such as 300 and Casino Royale, make a huge difference when they are in Blu-ray - at least $30 worth of it.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:06PM (Unverified) said

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"1. I'm not re-buying my DVD collection over"

But when buying movies from now on, if you had the choice between DVD and Bluray wouldn't you get Bluray?

I don't understand why people use that as a reason to not get a high def movie player. Nobody's forcing you to rebuy all your movies.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:09PM (Unverified) said

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best buy, toys r us circuit city... there are buy one get one free deals at one of them at least per week... usually new releases too, therefore they are the same price $15 as your precious sd movies.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:09PM Vidikron said

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Well, if you don't care about HD then you only really needed to state point #3. But I'll address the others anyway...

You don't have to re-buy your DVD collection. That's one of lamest excuses give for not wanting to move to an HD format. I'm not rebuying all of my DVDs outside of a select few favorites. Personally, I'm mostly just buying new released in HD.

As for your second point, try buying only. You would stupid to pay $30 for these HD movies at retail B&M stores when the same movies can be had for $20 online. Plus, there have been numerous buy one get one free offers at laces like Amazon. I picked up 4 Blu-ray for movies during the last BOGO for LESS than $40... which is LESS than $10 per movies. No tax and no shipping charges. I think it worked out to like $9.98 per movie. Sadly, these BOGOs may be less frequent now that the format war looks to be ending, but I certainly haven't paid $30 for any single movie.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:11PM Vidikron said

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Dammit... typing while distracted at work is not good. I meant to say, "Try buying online".
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:13PM (Unverified) said

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"But when buying movies from now on, if you had the choice between DVD and Bluray wouldn't you get Bluray?"

No,because it's still cheaper to get a DVD. Then on that,every person I know has a DVD player but not 1 own a Blu Ray player,so i'd basically be limited to watching the movies in my room or lugging around my PS3 everywhere.

And on top of it even though Slysoft has a Blu Ray/HD-DVD copying program,the burners are still over $600.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:23PM (Unverified) said

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as a PS3 owner then you already have the upscaler for you SD stuff but you can't tell a difference because you are still tubing it. I am too except for in my living room. I'm not playing bro, my wife and I fight over who gets high def every single night.
She sees the difference. I reccomend not buying any more movies until you have a HD set - Really.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:25PM SheppyReturns said

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1. No one said you had to. Especially since PS3 upscales better than most dedicated upscalers I've seen. I have POTC on DVD. Never been tempted to upgrade to the BluRay since PS3 added upscaling. Essentially I treat BluRay like this...

If the film is a feast for the eyeballs, I will snag on BluRay. Period. If it's a second or third tier movie in terms of my interest, I either Netflix it or wait for one of Blockbusters 4 for $20 sales and snag a ton of second stringers simultaneously.

2. DVD isn't dead, you're right. However, only older movies, you get to choose between $10 for the DVD or $17 for the BluRay. Most new BluRay releases are $25 whereas most DVD new releases are $20. Frankly, for me, the glory of hidef Pixar is well worth the extra cost. But if I'm looking at something that's less than jaw-dropping in effects and scenery, DVD for me.

3. Why is this even an issue for you then? SDTV isn't HDTV, so all this means nothing. Your rant on this subject has about as much to do with anything as my artwork has to do with the plight of the african barnswallow.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:29PM (Unverified) said

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I actually play all my games on my computer screen... a 22" 16:10 beauty. I use my PC speakers as well.

I've seen HDTV's, and I'm not rushing out to replace the SDTV in my living room. Shelling out thousands of dollars just to have a higher resolution TV isn't 'impressive' to me, with the possible exception of it being only an impressive waste of money.

It's neat technology, and eventually, everyone will have it... for now though, seeing every pores people's faces via my TV just isn't interesting / a good use of my money, and most of America agrees with me.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:35PM R V said

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You have to be smart. You don't need to buy the movie on a disc. Dl those movies, son! Free HD :)
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 3:23PM (Unverified) said

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"Why is this even an issue for you then? SDTV isn't HDTV, so all this means nothing. Your rant on this subject has about as much to do with anything as my artwork has to do with the plight of the african barnswallow."

I've used an HDTV before. My girlfriend's folks recently bought 2 24' inch HDTVs and a mammoth 50 some inch HDTV for their living room. The quality difference doesn't even come CLOSE to the price tag it carries to me. If it does for you,then be my guest and spend $800 on a 36 inch HDTV,i'll spend $200 for an SD one that size because to me that's what it's worth.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 3:36PM colintheburninator said

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You guys need to shop around a bit. It's not hard. If you are paying $30 for BRD then that is sad. Go to amazon where huge libraries either go on sale or are two for one (good movies too). Go to J&R or frys.com where I have gotten good movies for $9 (Terminator) to $15 (28 weeks later, ice age meltdown, the lookout, ... etc.). There are deals everywhere. They will continue to do this. Most of these places are doing free shipping as well. And amazon is no tax in most states.

Back in the day, I remember DVDs being $30 or more. Hell, when the LOTR movies came out, they were more than that, and that was just a few years ago. BRD will go down in price, just like DVD did in its day. Mind you, DVD had no competition to speak of, so dont gimmie that "no competition means high prices" BS. Also, when DVD was gaining popularity, the players were $500 - $900.

Maybe its not your fault you're ignorant ... your ass was probably still being wiped by your mommy when DVD came out.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 6:29PM SharpShooter said

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"I actually play all my games on my computer screen... a 22" 16:10 beauty. I use my PC speakers as well."

Same, I have both my ps3 and computer hooked up to the same monitor. I have a 24' Westinghouse which has hdmi also. It's is 1080p so everything looks beautiful and i can easily just press a button and switch to my computer.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 1:43PM MysticMaven said

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What it means to me is having to wait through 20 sec FBI warnings, having to restart the movie if I change the audio from 5.1 to DTS, hardly any extra features (and what's there isn't worth it), I could go on and on.

It's funny what the Blu-Ray fanboys have been missing. Don't reply unless you have both formats. If you don't then you're just a corporate sheep.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 1:51PM (Unverified) said

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-_-

All good things in time

DRM Will eventually consume HDDVD too, eventually we'll all have to accept a contract in order to ride the bus, it's coming, don't worry, we've thought of that.

Personally, i don't have an HDTV, so i really don't buy into either, however, i do know that more room = more content or higher quality content. Period, i don't care about implimentation right now, because that can/will change.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:11PM hey buddy said

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"It's funny what the Blu-Ray fanboys have been missing. Don't reply unless you have both formats. If you don't then you're just a corporate sheep."

We don't need to experience a car crash to be able to say 'Do not want." And wouldn't buying both formats put you more in the 'Corporate Sheep" column?

As for the format war: Well, injustice does happen. But apparently those features weren't important enough to put HD DVD on top. Consumer interest in those features can be addressed now that they're being added with blu ray spec revisions. Add that to the larger storage capacity, and you have a format that will soon leave HD-DVD fanboys missing a lot too: Content.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:15PM Vidikron said

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Oh yeah, the ability to vote online is so awesome. Whatever. And I'm not sure WTF you're talking about with changing audio tracks... try this... select the track you want BEFORE you start the movie. Might work out better for you. And how to you enjoy waiting for your HD DVD player to boot for 2 freaking minutes? Lovely isn't it?

And, yes, I do own both formats.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:33PM (Unverified) said

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I havent had ANY freezing problems with my PS3 or blu-ray. And you're really at issue with 20 seconds of FBI warning? You need to open up your busy schedule or cut out movies altogether then.

While I don't own and HD-DVD movies I have seen some demos and am a little jealous of the interactivity although thats what these new Blu-ray profiles coming down the pipeline are going to finally give us.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 3:22PM Duke said

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I've never had a Blu-Ray freeze. The HD-DVD interactive features are better than Blu-Ray offers though.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 3:48PM (Unverified) said

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I do have both and you're exactly right. Ridiculously long load times + shitty weak extra features = BluRay. So keep celebrating BluRay fanboys - your shittier format wins. Now we all loose. And why? Sony loyalty? Consumers didn't choose the format. Studios did and now we all get stuck with a weaker, more expensive product.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 3:51PM (Unverified) said

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I do have both and you're exactly right. Ridiculously long load times + shitty weak extra features = BluRay. So keep celebrating BluRay fanboys - your shittier format wins. Now we all loose. And why? Sony loyalty? Consumers didn't choose the format. Studios did and now we all get stuck with a weaker, more expensive product.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 4:24PM Vidikron said

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I haven't seen anything particularly impressive in terms of online interactivity. I mean, I watched one of the Bourne movies on my HD DVD player and I could go online and do some polls. I think one of the movies had an interective game where you have to pay attention to all the small details in the movie and provide answers to some questions. Stuff that's kind of fun the first time you do it, but will likely be ignored by most people after the first time.

That's not to say that I don't think they shouldn't keep working toward better extras like that, but I just haven't seen anything yet that makes me go, "Wow". Besides, BR profile 2.0 has that stuff and will be here soon enough for those that care. Me personally, I just put in the movie and watch it 95% of the time.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 4:36PM (Unverified) said

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The thing is that it doesn't matter because Blu-Ray won...also..I remember buying a Pioneer DVD Burner in 2003 for $400...so I'll not jump in anytime soon.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 1:44PM FredFredrickson said

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Considering most of the public hasn't bought into (or can't afford to buy into) the whole HD thing yet, and won't for a long while, I'm going to have to side with David Cole as well.

HDTV's are having a hard time penetrating the market as it is - and looking at a recession ahead, or at least, a much slower economic period - one can only assume that HD has a tough road ahead of it in the near future as people find their money going towards more important things than higher clarity screens.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:30PM (Unverified) said

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are you new or something... people dont go out and buy crt sets anymore, out of my closest friends about half have hdtvs now, and as far as family and friends go over the past year they have either bought one or are getting ready to buy one, so your penetration argument holds no validity
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 2:42PM Duke said

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I find it funny that you ask if hes new when he has 624 comments here and you have 35.

I agree with Marty - Nielsen says that 13.7% of TV households in the United States are equipped with HD televisions. Then the CEA estimated that HDTV household penetration in July 2007 stood at 32%.

Either way, there are a lot of standard television users out there and a lot of folks not making the jump. Someone isn't using HD just because they buy a plasma.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 3:02PM Bootes said

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The point is that all future TVs sold will be HD. It'll take awhile, but eventually everyone will have HDTVs. I'm still on SD, but I mainly use my HD 19" computer monitor now.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 3:13PM Duke said

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In the future all cars will fly too - but that isn't the way it is now.
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Posted: Jan 10th 2008 3:34PM (Unverified) said

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@ nato

its an expression... much like were you born yesterday, i guess you have never heard it before... it doesnt imply thats he is new to joystiq, it implys that he is new to the world, hence being like a newborn with less knowledge then an older person who has lived longer and has greater knowledge.

so now can i ask are you new?
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