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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:20PM (Unverified) said

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"there's a flop like Phillips/MCA's LaserDisc format"

YOU SHUT YOUR LYING MOUTH!!!! LaserDisc rules! Compression-free and plenty of room for cover art!
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 2:26PM (Unverified) said

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Laser disc also was available from the late 1970's to the mid 1990's , thats a pretty good run for a "failed format".

Am I the only person who noticed the glaring inacuracies of this article? Wasn't VHS JVC's format? Wasn't Betamax a Sony format? Jaffe is a totall ****ing idiot, I mean wtf is this? "every TV is capable of broadcasting the same signal" TV's don't broadcast, dumb@$$, they recieve signals. I sure am glad this guy doesn't work for the department of defense. Somebody should help him out and shove his foot into his mouth so he quits saying stupid things.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 7:14PM (Unverified) said

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"Jaffe is a totall ****ing idiot, I mean wtf is this? "every TV is capable of broadcasting the same signal" TV's don't broadcast, dumb@$$, they recieve signals."

It's pretty obvious that he meant "every TV is capable of viewing the same broadcast TV signal".
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:20PM cyberdpendent said

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"there's a flop like Phillips/MCA's LaserDisc format"

YOU SHUT YOUR LYING MOUTH!!!! LaserDisc rules! Compression-free and plenty of room for cover art!
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:21PM cyberdpendent said

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Stupid comment thingy... I sure didn't submit this twice!
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:21PM eJ24 said

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Don't agree with this at all. Sure there will still be competition among software developers but what about the hardware, how will it ever improve if there is no competition. It will be the Madden effect, no innovation just incremental changes or updates.

Boo Jaffe! Boo!
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 9:18PM SoCoolCurt said

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exactly, knowing Jaffe's track record, he was probably piss drunk when he said this, hence half of it being inaccurate. healthy competition keeps these large companies honest.....well as far as honesty goes in that situation, but you get my point.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:22PM (Unverified) said

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Thats just retarded. Of course a game developer wants there to just be one console, it makes it easier on them to make one game that everyones machine plays. Jaffe always talks out of his ass, I wonder if anybody really cares what he says anymore.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:24PM BackScatter said

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This is by far the best rebuttal to the "one console" argument I've read. Bravo!
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:24PM (Unverified) said

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The whole point of different products is drive companies to innovate and bring the consumer more choice, also helps competition, brings down prices. Not everyone wants the same things, why not make just 1 car? Such a stupid idea.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:26PM (Unverified) said

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So then there would only be ONE console for EA to fill with shitty games?
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:26PM (Unverified) said

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jaffe = commie!!!
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:30PM MysticMaven said

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It was Sony who did Betamax, JVC did VHS.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 1:03PM (Unverified) said

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++ Please fix article. Even the Wiki links states it.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:30PM (Unverified) said

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Jaffe seems to be forgetting that VHS only became the monopoly "standard" after a bloody battle with JVC's competing Betamax format.

uhh....wasn't JVC developing VHS and sony developing Betamax?
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 2:06PM (Unverified) said

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You, fellow reader, are correct in that. In fact, that was the only reason I doubted Blu-ray in the first place. Sony always tried to implement new formats that never really panned out.

Betamax, mini-disc, Memory Stick Pro (duo). They all tended to flop and continued to become proprietary formats for Sony products. I've always been one to accept a more open-source look at things, ala SD memory, VHS, CD, DVD. Just the products that were more widely used and in various ways.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:31PM (Unverified) said

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Won't someone please think about the fanboys????
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:31PM (Unverified) said

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"So what do we lose by having it for game consoles?"

Console Wars DUMBASS!!!! LMAO!!!
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 3:32PM (Unverified) said

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nerrrrrd stole my post ;-0 I have to say this push sounds dangerouly close to the animal farm of consoles. I like the multiple console market, I have an X360 and PC of course, soon as the price drops a little more I will get the PS3, right now though the only game I really want I can't get is Resistance: Fall of Man. If we don't have the competition, we will get stuck with the same crap over and over. Whoa Capitalism! haha
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:35PM RyanLN said

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I am in 100% disagreement with Jaffe, and the most salient point in the on target response by the author of his article is that competition spurs innovation and without competition we're all still playing with 8 bit graphics on the NES. What possible incentive would there have been for Nintendo to create the SNES without the driving force of Sega kicking it in the ass? Faced with the choice between older, proven, cheaper technology with higher profit margins and newer, riskier platforms that might sell or might not, I bet Nintendo would go with the former 9 times out of 10- unless they were forced to. That force came in the form of the Genesis, Playstation, Lynx et al. Besides, while I am not made of money buying toys is FUN, and I'd be sad if there weren't multiple consoles for me to foolishly squander my money on.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 2:12PM (Unverified) said

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sigh, I do somewhat agree with Jaffe

"What possible incentive would there have been for Nintendo to create the SNES without the driving force of Sega kicking it in the ass?"

Well, Nintendo has always been like that, its nothing new, but hey, there are many other cases...

for example, formats like the DVD, VHS, CD... yes, most if not all of them had some sort of a battle, but they ruled alone for a while, What incentive was there to keep working on/perfecting the technology? Hell, even on this generation we have the war between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, whichever camp wins, will still be perfecting the technology, Im sure as hell that they will just not sit around...

Also, a unified console would be much better for developers, it has nothing to do with being lazy, but being able to free them of the stress of knowing that the game HAS to work on other consoles if the game is to be multiplatform...they can just focus all of their talent on knowing that their game has to work for just one console, take for example Mario Galaxy, you could play the game well enough without the motiol controls, imagine if the game was to be multiplatform, would it had been the same? they would taken more time to tweak the game so it could work on other consoles and so on...
(For the record, I don't like SMG...)

As for the point that Mr. Orland states...

"With competition, hardware makers have to be price conscious and therefore focus on just the features they feel the consumer and developer markets want."

regardless of competition, manufacturers HAVE to be price conscious, otherwise they WONT sell...

The AT&T example that he mentions lacks foundation, back then the system was different, MANY things were different, hell, we didn't have the internet, which has become the #1 communication medium...

Guess what, a unified console DOESN'T mean it would only be made and owned by one sole company...he is refering to ONE STANDARD, isn't that what all these video formats are? or DVDs are also considered a monopoly? what about CDs? Blu-ray? as far as I remember I can go an find many companies making Blu-Ray players... (none with a toaster tho =( )
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:38PM (Unverified) said

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Pretty myopic viewpoint. Sure, a one-console world would make the lives of developers easier, but would it really be better for customers and games as a whole? Don't think so. Seems to me that the best hardware innovations have arisen from the fierce competition between platforms.

"Vocal support" for the "one-console solution" is an amusing headline, because that's all we're seeing: hot air. Can anybody see Nintendo, Microsoft, or Sony just nodding their heads and saying, "Right, I'll be the first to jump on board and give up making my system in favor of the Grand Unified Console"? Yeah, I can just picture it now. Everybody throws in the towel for Jaffe's image of the greater good, and they all invest in Infinium Labs.

Phantom Forever, baby!
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 3:53PM (Unverified) said

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Sony and Microsoft wouldn't protest the unified console as much as Nintendo would. Sony and MS just like it because a console (unlike, say, a PC) is an environment where DRM control is much more prevalent than other environments, but the two companies either are (Sony) or were (MS) hemorrhaging money on the hardware side of the operation

Nintendo, however, would die before subjecting itself to that
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 3:53PM Mr Khan said

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Sony and Microsoft wouldn't protest the unified console as much as Nintendo would. Sony and MS just like it because a console (unlike, say, a PC) is an environment where DRM control is much more prevalent than other environments, but the two companies either are (Sony) or were (MS) hemorrhaging money on the hardware side of the operation

Nintendo, however, would die before subjecting itself to that
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 3:55PM (Unverified) said

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I believe hvnlysoldr has coined a new joystiq-ism

MissingNo, damn you
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:44PM (Unverified) said

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There already is a one console field of gaming and it is called the PC. That perfectly fits the one standard, but scale-able model that they are refering too. The problem with PC gaming is the same problem that would happen to the console market if a single console were to come into play. That being price.

Can you imagine what we would have to pay for the blu-ray playing, motion sensing, xbox live gaming machine? That would be a $1,000 console.

Developers, I am sorry, but you cannot have both worlds.
If 2007 showed us anything it is that the market is big enough for five consoles (including handhelds) to live healthily in.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 1:21PM (Unverified) said

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I agree 100%. PC is the universal platform.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 1:40PM (Unverified) said

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I assume you refer to "PC" as Windows, leaving Mac and Linux users on the void.

Its the same hardware, just a different, more secure OS, and yet by sticking to Fedora 8, I'm missing out of Portal and a ton of other "Games for Windows", and since Wine compatibility isn't stable, I can't even play 10-year-old Starcraft on this machine without dualbooting into XP...
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 1:41PM (Unverified) said

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I assume you refer to "PC" as Windows, leaving Mac and Linux users on the void.

Its the same hardware, just a different, more secure OS, and yet by sticking to Fedora 8, I'm missing out of Portal and a ton of other "Games for Windows", and since Wine compatibility isn't stable, I can't even play 10-year-old Starcraft on this machine without dualbooting into XP...
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 1:41PM Nushio said

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I assume you refer to "PC" as Windows, leaving Mac and Linux users on the void.

Its the same hardware, just a different, more secure OS, and yet by sticking to Fedora 8, I'm missing out of Portal and a ton of other "Games for Windows", and since Wine compatibility isn't stable, I can't even play 10-year-old Starcraft on this machine without dualbooting into XP...
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 1:42PM (Unverified) said

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There's another factor...Piracy. Every year millions of profit gets wasted as people download from Torrents.

Consoles generate better profit as even though most of kids dream about getting all the games for free, they would get their precious Live accounts banned and...farewell homophobic slurs.


Hmmm...maybe it would be a good idea if more kids were getting 360 games of the internet.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 1:42PM Nushio said

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I'm terribly sorry for the triple post. The comment system is borked! =(
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 1:44PM Jakey777 said

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There's another factor...Piracy. Every year millions of profit gets wasted as people download from Torrents.

Consoles generate better profit as even though most of kids dream about getting all the games for free, they would get their precious Live accounts banned and...farewell homophobic slurs.


Hmmm...maybe it would be a good idea if more kids were getting 360 games of the internet.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 2:46PM (Unverified) said

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exactly, ther's plenty of space for everybody. and now, with some tech marvels like unreal engine 3 (and id tech 5, for what it promises), extreme software portability is leaving exclusive titles only to the first-party-published stuff.
it seems as this generation will be like the 16-bit, where there was a clear leader, but no near-monopoly like in the last two.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:41PM (Unverified) said

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Blow me Jaffe! His arrogance gets on my nerves. He makes on good game and he thinks he's God's gift to gaming.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:43PM kingrocknlr said

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Of course there will be a one console standard in our lifetime. It will likely come with the ultimate convergance of your pc/game console/set top box. The future is all about digital distribution (and robots).
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:45PM (Unverified) said

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We already have an open, multi-manufacturer standard for gaming hardware. It's called a Windows PC and over the last decade it has been slowly losing support in favor of the fragmented, multi-standard console market that Mr. Jaffee is arguing against.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 1:43PM Nushio said

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Windows? But what about Linux and Mac? Its the same freakin' hardware...
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 2:05PM (Unverified) said

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I thought about being that inclusive, but Jaffe's argument is in favor of only needing to support a single unified platform, which seemed to include at least the basics of an OS, so I went for the Windows comparison. Plus, from a game deployment standpoint the slow death of DOS/Windows gaming over the last year provides a better example of why having a single console standard that ends up being fragmented with differnet hardware versions and oem accessories might not be the best way to go vs consoles. You are right though, it's all the same hardware.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 2:06PM (Unverified) said

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I thought about being that inclusive, but Jaffe's argument is in favor of only needing to support a single unified platform, which seemed to include at least the basics of an OS, so I went for the Windows comparison. Plus, from a game deployment standpoint the slow death of DOS/Windows gaming over the last year provides a better example of why having a single console standard that ends up being fragmented with differnet hardware versions and oem accessories might not be the best way to go vs consoles. You are right though, it's all the same hardware.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 4:54PM Serious Kriss said

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PC gaming has been gaining support, not losing it. Companies like Capcom, Sega, Namco, etc. which were previously console-only have started to develop for the PC more and more. And the PC gaming market is still growing, just not as fast as the console gaming market. Get your facts straight please.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 7:21PM edgore said

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While MMOs and casual games are growing on the PC you would be hard pressed to make the argument that the overall number and quality of exclusive releases for the Windows has been growing over the last decade. I will admit that I haven't run the numbers, but as someone that started out gaming on computers back in the 70s and continued to play on various computer platforms in favor of consoles until late into the 90s, subjectively, unless you want to play World of Warcraft (and a lot of people do seem to) there is not much going on exclusively on PCs these days. Keep in mind that I am comparing today to the halcyon days of the early and mid-nineties when there were a couple of dozen must have titles across every genre that you could only play on a PC. Compared to that, there is not a lot out there these days, even if the overall sales numbers are going up because of the much larger installed base. I'm willing to bet that the attach rate for PCs is way down these days compared to back then.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 7:21PM edgore said

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Oh, and the Sims. The kids today, they love theirs Sims.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:46PM edgore said

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We already have an open, multi-manufacturer standard for gaming hardware. It's called a Windows PC and over the last decade it has been slowly losing support in favor of the fragmented, multi-standard console market that Mr. Jaffee is arguing against.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 1:38PM (Unverified) said

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we have these. they're called computers.
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Posted: Jan 12th 2008 5:19AM (Unverified) said

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Hey, make a PC that works WELL as a set-top gaming box (which rules out any current Media PC) and plays things like Little Big Planet and Mario, and doesn't require $300 in upgrades every two years to stay current (oh and has none of that rootkit copy-protection garbage), and I'll be perfectly happy.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:55PM (Unverified) said

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When you are supporting unified consoles you are also supporting Dun dun dun COMMUNISM!!!
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 1:13PM (Unverified) said

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haha, love it!
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 12:55PM Shagittarius said

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Listen up developers, no one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to port your games to every console. Make your games for the console that fits your vision/market and then leave it at that. In my opinion the more unique each console gets the better.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 1:38PM (Unverified) said

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Um, yea they do. That gun is called lost profits to make up all the development costs that are not reaching well into the 7 figure area. At least, thats the case for 2 of the 3 consoles. No names!

Oh and Joystiq, Philips has one 'L' in it, not two. ;)
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