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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 8:51PM (Unverified) said

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FidliousWong
4:25PMActually, Xbox Live is one of the major stepping stones at the feet of mass multiplayer experiences.

Of course, you meant to say "obstacles".

Posted: Jan 11th 2008 9:33PM fnm said

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Awesome. But 60 player online isn't insane:it's a full scale war.

Looks like my PS3 might have a good year after all.

Posted: Jan 11th 2008 10:52PM easo said

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Noshino, cc123, and Obie

I would like to draw your attention to the "How will it work?" topic, 7th paragraph down.

It reads:
"Developers will determine just how massively multiplayer their Xbox Live titles will be. The gaming servers are all controlled by Microsoft (and to some degree Sega with their crop of XBL games), so that the game creators simply have to request the bandwidth they'll need to get the desired result. "

http://xbox.ign.com/articles/360/360183p1.html

Microsoft didnt spend 500 million dollars on stat trackers. :0 snap!
LOL jk on the oh snap! part, it's all in good fun ;)

Posted: Jan 12th 2008 1:00AM (Unverified) said

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"The vast majority of games on Xbox Live will run peer-to-peer, with players hosting their own games. This of course excludes persistent world games, which will be client-server based. Peer-to-peer games however, will still send a "heartbeat" back to the Xbox Live data centers, for the purpose of keeping track of game stats and keeping other online participants abreast of a player's whereabouts online."

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/features/xbox-live-details/67111/

and I haven't been able to find any factual information that XBL is indeed run through dedicated servers...
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Posted: Jan 11th 2008 11:13PM The Punisher said

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^^What a douche bag.^^

Posted: Jan 12th 2008 2:10AM Overgauss said

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Easo also just to try to clear up things for you. You wrote.."and PSN has dedicated servers, when it actually connects to other ps3 for its online play. Hell Some PS3 games even give you the option to host matches on your own box."

Dedicated servers just mean that the server(PS3) is not used for play by the host. It is Dedicated to hosting only. So in Warhawk terms the blue servers are dedicated (Sony's) whereas the white servers can either be P2P OR Dedicated.

P2P is when others can 'log onto' your PS3 or xbox while you are both hosting a game and playing it at the same time. This is the part that affects lag the most. And where you'll hear people talking about host advantage and such.


As others have said in Warhawk you actually have the option of running a dedicated server but you can't play in it. Which is why I will be getting multiple PS3's as my girl loves her some Warhawk, but we can't splitscreen and rank up. My goal is to have a dedicated server and 2 additional ps3's for some awesome dual hdtv coop action with her. Lots of PS3 mmo's and such on the way. :)

Incidentally this was why I was hoping for multi tv out as this would have been a cheaper split screen solution. Each 'split screen' would have its own tv.

Posted: Jan 12th 2008 7:00AM (Unverified) said

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So we are now to the point where people are buying multiple gaming systems so they can just use them as servers?

Do your self a favor. Get into PC gaming.
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Posted: Jan 12th 2008 10:27AM (Unverified) said

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seeing as getting 2 ps3's at $400 would still be cheaper than a gaming PC, I think he's getting a good deal. Not to mention there's more worthwhile exclusives to play on a ps3, and it has a better future than pc gaming right now. you can't deny that if the big games for ps3 come out this year including home, that this is the ps3's year.

PC has, uhhh...err wait give me a minute. Oh, uhh that one game coming out this year, crysis right? wait what, that was last year?? oh...well umm what about that uhh other one??

^ sums up this year for exclusive pc games
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Posted: Jan 15th 2008 10:53AM jtenma said

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Uh just to let you know...you can now host a game and play in it as of the patch....
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Posted: Jan 12th 2008 3:32AM Negativecool said

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Holy frickin balls has this story generated a lot of attention...

You should [UPDATE] the title to include the phrase, "ZOMGWTFBBQ."

After readin everyone elses thoughts on this, I will reply thusly:

Dude! [someone else]-
Your [Someone else's opinion] is TOTALLY off!! [Own superior opinion] is correct because [various biased reasons]. [Someone else's reasons] are just dumb and biased and sound like [console fanboy term]!

Furthermore [four letter word x infinity +2 followed by random bitching rant about Microsoft and/or Sony and/or Nintendo].

Shows over, good day, and play ball.

Posted: Jan 12th 2008 5:07AM (Unverified) said

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*yawn*

I do not care for multiplayer. Instead fix the two biggest flaws:

1) Make the game not look like crap.

2) Actually come up with a fucking interesting narrative.

Then call me back.

Posted: Jan 12th 2008 6:56AM (Unverified) said

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Am I the only person here who is growing utterly tired of the FPS genre in general? This constant attempt to outdo the current multiplayer champ (Currently Halo 3 and COD4) is growing old, boring and well, just not interesting.

I want games with some damn substance. Games that are a new experience. Every FPS controls the same, and for the most part plays the same. Aim at enemy, pull trigger, repeat. I knew I had grown tired of FPS games when I was unable to make it through games like Resistance, The Darkness, Halo 3 and COD4. I mean, every single one of these games got an average review score of 9/10. I wish these companies would start looking at what Kevin Levine did with Bioshock, which was the only FPS I've been able to enjoy since Halo 2.

The end result of this constant one-up contest of multiplayer modes, number of players, etc. is me paying $60 to begin a 6 hour long campaign that is so lethargic, dry, boring and repetitive that I find myself turning off the system and saying to myself "I should have known better" after an hour or so of playing. My reward for this complete lack of an innovative or enjoyable experience? The opportunity to play online where the idea of fun is to repeat the same fucking experience over and over again. Kill some dudes, respawn...repeat.

I'm looking forward to games similar to Bioshock. Battlefield: Bad Company looks like it will have a decent single player with a good story. I hope it takes longer than 6 hours to beat.

Posted: Jan 12th 2008 8:58AM (Unverified) said

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I rag on PS3 alot, but this is pure, unfiltered awesome.

Well done.

Posted: Jan 12th 2008 9:40AM (Unverified) said

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lol... fanboyism... gasm?

PS3 is great, but I don't go onto halo 3 forums screaming about it... so why do 360ers do it?

RFOM was i great game, though a sequel was obvious with that ending.

\/--------NASTINESS------\/
Don't you 360 owners have anything better to do? oh wait, 8 player matches with lag? obviously not XD
/\--------NASTINESS------/\

Posted: Jan 12th 2008 10:31AM (Unverified) said

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actually right now we're having trouble even logging onto live, let alone dare to actually play an online game.

Idk about others, but i'm on track with kotaku's count which i think is Xbox Live outage 2008, day 22.

sadness and frustration...confirmed >:(
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Posted: Jan 12th 2008 10:42PM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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hmmm. XBL is working fine for me.
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Posted: Jan 12th 2008 10:57AM Ruk said

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peak - n. - A tapering, projecting point; a pointed extremity: the peak of a cap; the peak of a roof.

peek - n. - a quick or furtive look or glance; peep.

How is it so many people today get these mixed up?

/argh
//spelling Nazi, sorry

Posted: Jan 12th 2008 11:34AM GoonieGooGoo said

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I"ll be honest....more isn't always better.

I've really tried to like RESISTANCE on PS3.....but there's something just missing. I actually enjoy WARHAWK MULTIPLAYER more. Even with it being the only game that pretty much everyone bought for PS3 at launch.....i found the online multiplayer to not be that astounding and compared to any # of other FPS....it really came up lacking.

Does it have the intensity of COD4? Does it have the balance and community of HALO? Did it have the strategic variety of Team Fortress?? SOrry to say....Resistance falls short on all of those points.

As we've learned over the years....just because you can stick 64+ people online...doesn't mean you should.

More people can drastically affect the balance of a game......just like too large a map can affect gameplay.

So they may talk about the increase in X size of number of players etc.....if you don't get the gameplay and balance right....WHO CARES?

Posted: Jan 12th 2008 3:23PM (Unverified) said

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You do understand that Warhawk, COD4, TF2 and Halo are designed to be online multiplayers (even though they might have single players too), but Resistance merely has a online feats as a bonus (like nearly every FPS has).
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Posted: Jan 12th 2008 9:38PM (Unverified) said

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secondederised...
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Posted: Jan 13th 2008 2:21AM GoonieGooGoo said

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So you are agreeing that RESISTANCE's multiplayer is lacking.....
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Posted: Jan 13th 2008 3:57PM (Unverified) said

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Sure it is lacking features what the games you mentioned before have.

It just amuses me that you sound suprised to notice that FPS designed to be multiplayer is better multiplayer than FPS that just has multiplayer.
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Posted: Jan 14th 2008 11:17PM chantastic said

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What are you talking about? "Just because you can stick 64 players in a game doesn't mean you should"? 64-player Battlefield 2 is some of the best gaming ever. I am sure 64 player BF2142 is the same. If you can stick 64 players in a game, make it tight and fun, you DEFINITELY SHOULD! Because it's incredible!
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Posted: Jan 12th 2008 1:31PM (Unverified) said

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How exactly does someone take a "peak" inside a cookie jar, Joystiq? That's about as good as when people mistakenly say that their interest was "peaked" by something.

Posted: Jan 12th 2008 2:15PM (Unverified) said

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Burning down the US in style.. I need to pick a theme tune for this..

Posted: Jan 13th 2008 8:04AM (Unverified) said

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Still, I can't think what new toys we'll have. I want a Fucking Minigun!

Posted: Jan 12th 2008 10:15PM (Unverified) said

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Just a few comments...

1) I don't understand all the hatred towards GodIsAMyth. As a Catholic I find him sorta hilarious and I don't think he's really a bad person. What more likely the case is that he's just deliberately pushing your buttons since most of you regulars here no Joystiq are basically arrogant assholes (especially the SDF). Yeah I know he likes the ps3 but I haven't read anything in this thread that suggest hes evil or saying something out of the blue.

2) 60 people sounds good but I highly doubt it will be that great. I highly doubt there will be that many games that have 60 players in them from START to FINISH going on constantly running day to day.

As a 360 fanboy though I'm not even gonna sweat it. Why? Cuz Gears of War 2 will hopefully be just as good if not better than R:FOM.

Lets just wait and see the final product.

Posted: Jan 13th 2008 1:19AM (Unverified) said

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lol, trying do beat the first when the sequals nearly out XD jking
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Posted: Jan 12th 2008 10:57PM sketchleeic said

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Awesome... This game's gonna rock! They're having dedicated servers so it shouldnt be that laggy... and OMG who said more isnt better?? I love it when there's fighting going on everywhere! it's soo awesome! obviously some of you guys never played 20vs20 on resisence, it's so much fun! XD

Posted: Jan 15th 2008 5:03AM (Unverified) said

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hmmm... speaking of weapons, is there any news of what new weapons? i personally would like to see a time rift creater that slows people down, but they can shoot faster... weapon with a twist! maybe I'll design a weapon / 'nade for them... nah... would be fun though...

Posted: Jan 17th 2008 2:00PM (Unverified) said

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I now some people are saying that 60 people are too much, but I had a lot of fun in warhawk when I was in a 32 player game. again, that is my personal opinion.

Posted: Jan 18th 2008 11:12PM (Unverified) said

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"ONCE TAKEN ONLINE, as many as 8 players can take on the Chimera invasion" Offline will be 4-player coop and online will be 8-player coop same with LittleBigPlanet.

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