In yet another patent infringement case this week for Nintendo, former Midway employee Pat Goschy is suing the money printer over a patent he holds from eight years ago involving motion controls similar to the Nintendo Wii remote, according to some local news station (via Go Nintendo - did anyone catch this news last night?). To validate his case further, Goschy has released a video on YouTube from 1999 where he shows off his system, which appears to be two wired sticks with accelerometers used to play the Dreamcast version of Ready 2 Rumble.
Goschy's video is embedded above. Warning: while the sight of the Dreamcast may excite you, the effects of Sega's final console might be counterbalanced by Goschy's lack of pants.
[Via Engadget]
Reader Comments (80)
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 5:43PM (Unverified) said
God - as great as this country can be, it also sucks hard sometimes. Nintendo scores a huge success after being made fun of by everyone in the industry, and now the same people that were probably doing the name-calling are rushing in line to sue Nintendo for violating some nonsensical patent. Why wait until now to sue? Why didn't all these people sue the week the Wiimote was announced? I'll tell you: they wanted to wait and see if it caught on, so that they could jump out of the gutters and attack when that happened. If the Wii flopped ala Dreamcast, I guarantee you we wouldn't be seeing these ridiculous suits.
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 5:57PM easo said
I can see where you nintendo fanboys are coming from, but I think this guys case has merit. He really did patent a controller that could easily pass for a wii remote prototype.
I know that nowadays there is no shortage of people with vaugely worded patents trying to cash in on others success, but can any of you honestly say that if you were the holder of this patent you wouldnt be asking Nintendo for you share?
I know that nowadays there is no shortage of people with vaugely worded patents trying to cash in on others success, but can any of you honestly say that if you were the holder of this patent you wouldnt be asking Nintendo for you share?
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 5:59PM (Unverified) said
Looks like he might be better off suing McDonalds.
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 6:09PM Mr Khan said
Note to potential law-suitors:
Nintendo cannot be sued into the ground, they have much more money than, say, Lik-sang
Plus, Nintendo kicks infringement suit ass, if anyone recalls Universal v. Nintendo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_City_Studios%2C_Inc._v._Nintendo_Co.%2C_Ltd.
Nintendo cannot be sued into the ground, they have much more money than, say, Lik-sang
Plus, Nintendo kicks infringement suit ass, if anyone recalls Universal v. Nintendo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_City_Studios%2C_Inc._v._Nintendo_Co.%2C_Ltd.
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 6:46PM Razorlution said
This is the reason we have patent laws. When you have an idea, you PATENT it, and that way if something is in any shape or form similar in nature, you look up the patent.
When Nintendo was set to release the Wii, they have lawyers that look into this and make sure that their patent is secure and safe, and does not break any laws by using someone else's patents.
Its simple....look up a patent number from any product and match it to its owner, you can google it to get that info.
Its clear this guy is out to get some cash, just to buy a pair of pants. Poor Midway, how did you let this gem go, lol.
When Nintendo was set to release the Wii, they have lawyers that look into this and make sure that their patent is secure and safe, and does not break any laws by using someone else's patents.
Its simple....look up a patent number from any product and match it to its owner, you can google it to get that info.
Its clear this guy is out to get some cash, just to buy a pair of pants. Poor Midway, how did you let this gem go, lol.
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 6:51PM (Unverified) said
Someone should sue Nintendo for releasing the same console two generations in a row.
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 6:55PM dargis49 said
It's just too bad he didn't have any funding for it. Because it pretty much is the Wii controllers. Just simplified.
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 6:54PM MNeko said
I'm suing VidGuy for copying my avatar.
Seriously, this looks like it has more merit than the Copper "Innovations" lawsuit. However, the Power Glove was around since 1989, well before the Wiimote or any of the controllers that it supposedly copied.
Seriously, this looks like it has more merit than the Copper "Innovations" lawsuit. However, the Power Glove was around since 1989, well before the Wiimote or any of the controllers that it supposedly copied.
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 7:03PM SoulBlade said
There's so much more than just the dude's idea. Ideas are copied all the time. It's the implementation of the idea that warrants any kind of patent dispute - if the patents illustrate that his stuff and Nintendo's stuff are using the same algorithm, or very similar algorithms for the motion sensing with the same sensors and what not, then he might have a case.
There's so much motion based tech out there, and you better believe that companies spend a lot of time/money researching solutions that will not infringe on patents.
There's so much motion based tech out there, and you better believe that companies spend a lot of time/money researching solutions that will not infringe on patents.
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 7:21PM (Unverified) said
This system is dissimiler to the Wii remote in one very important way: his controller looks like it actually works! Ever try and use the Wii-mote for Wii boxing? Maybe it's because his remote uses accelerometers and the wii-mote uses suck-ometers...
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 10:48PM (Unverified) said
Would explain why the Wiimote reacts so violently towards you then wouldn't it?
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Posted: Jan 14th 2008 8:46PM kastonie said
this guy seems like one of those retarded dudes that you know from work or school that irks you with every word or thought they tell you....i love the way he tells you his email address...the whole presentation makes me want to vomit...especially the shorts..and that beard..
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 10:51PM (Unverified) said
Finally, someone mentions the beard. I was starting to think I was the only one that thought his beard was a huge douche sign. That and the Segal-tail.
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Posted: Jan 14th 2008 9:07PM (Unverified) said
joystiq, if this is a patent infringement thing, then show us a link to his patent or patent application on uspto.gov. otherwise, dont call it patent infringement.
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 9:53PM dcollins said
It's like these people are just coming out of the wood-work aren't they?
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 10:57PM (Unverified) said
anyone wonder why no one contacted him after making such a slick video prezo?
who makes a video like that unless they are in jail - was he at the time?
who makes a video like that unless they are in jail - was he at the time?
Posted: Jan 14th 2008 11:48PM (Unverified) said
Wow he seriously needs a Bowflex machine and take a weed whacker to those eyebrows.
Posted: Jan 15th 2008 12:03AM jake18oly said
Wow! That controls better than Wii Sports Boxing. That is really interesting that he was doing this back in 1999.
Posted: Jan 15th 2008 1:42AM SoCoolCurt said
damn patent trolls. just looking to make a quick dollar off of someone else's success. if they had the technology ready in 1999 but decided to scrap it and Nintendo makes something similar in 2006, i feel like they gave up on it. its like somebody gives up on an old car, someone else takes it and fixes it up, then the original owner wants it back because it looks good now. i feel like if they didnt want to put in the work to reap the benefits before then it's tough titties.
unfortunately, the patent system doesnt work like that. it's ashame too because it's only going to get worse for Nintendo.
and another thing, if all these companies are suing Nintendo for the same thing (the Wiimote), then why didnt they sue each other before hand, and why are there so many similar patents anyway. i thought that was the point of a patent. to protect an idea. if they are giving out multiple patents for the same stuff then what's the point of the patent?
unfortunately, the patent system doesnt work like that. it's ashame too because it's only going to get worse for Nintendo.
and another thing, if all these companies are suing Nintendo for the same thing (the Wiimote), then why didnt they sue each other before hand, and why are there so many similar patents anyway. i thought that was the point of a patent. to protect an idea. if they are giving out multiple patents for the same stuff then what's the point of the patent?
Posted: Jan 15th 2008 2:41AM hey buddy said
It becomes obvious that many of you won't give credit if an idea somehow goes at odds with your favorite company (insert "Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft/Apple" here), and really has nothing to do with respect for ideas or innovation.
Why do I have to sit through hundreds of posts over the last year or so talking about the Sixaxis being a rip-off of the Wii Remote and how Sony sucks, but yet when someone in the industry, showing a working prototype functioning on a BOXING game in a manner exactly like the Wii Sports boxing and doing it nearly a decade earlier in a video that Nintendo likely saw, I have to read about how THIS guy sucks, or how he's a patent troll grubbing for money?
Get it together people. Invention and ingenuity need protection because they can generate lots of MONEY (just look to the, um, I don't know, Wii? as the prime example in this case), and if it can be shown that Nintendo did indeed take influence and ideas from this, they're in a great position to give the guy a proper settlement if need be, and if that's what he deserves, more power to him.
How many people have bought a Wii simply based on a night of Wii Sports at a friend's house? For many, it's a Wii Sports machine, and that enthusiasm is based upon the physical, intuitive control shown here seven years earlier, which Nintendo likely saw. Clearly he thought of and implemented this application of accelerometers (which is the important thing here, not simply the use of accelerometers) years before the Wii. Nintendo is making a lot of money off of this style of control, and if it's based on some of this guy's innovation, they easily can and should "break him of a lil' sumfin."
But all of that means nothing to some of you guys, right? You have your Wii Sports and you'll be damned if someone other than Mario and Peach might have helped think of it.
Kindly recognize when you are simply hating, or actually making a valid point about ideas and the origin of them.
Why do I have to sit through hundreds of posts over the last year or so talking about the Sixaxis being a rip-off of the Wii Remote and how Sony sucks, but yet when someone in the industry, showing a working prototype functioning on a BOXING game in a manner exactly like the Wii Sports boxing and doing it nearly a decade earlier in a video that Nintendo likely saw, I have to read about how THIS guy sucks, or how he's a patent troll grubbing for money?
Get it together people. Invention and ingenuity need protection because they can generate lots of MONEY (just look to the, um, I don't know, Wii? as the prime example in this case), and if it can be shown that Nintendo did indeed take influence and ideas from this, they're in a great position to give the guy a proper settlement if need be, and if that's what he deserves, more power to him.
How many people have bought a Wii simply based on a night of Wii Sports at a friend's house? For many, it's a Wii Sports machine, and that enthusiasm is based upon the physical, intuitive control shown here seven years earlier, which Nintendo likely saw. Clearly he thought of and implemented this application of accelerometers (which is the important thing here, not simply the use of accelerometers) years before the Wii. Nintendo is making a lot of money off of this style of control, and if it's based on some of this guy's innovation, they easily can and should "break him of a lil' sumfin."
But all of that means nothing to some of you guys, right? You have your Wii Sports and you'll be damned if someone other than Mario and Peach might have helped think of it.
Kindly recognize when you are simply hating, or actually making a valid point about ideas and the origin of them.
Posted: Jan 15th 2008 10:16AM zsavior said
Here I will bite, the man is a patent troll because he doesn't care about the integrity of his invention he cares about the money he can get from Nintendo.
He waited till Nintendo had the most profit they could make and then decided that he needed to show the world, what he created. Integrity is not waiting to see how much money you can get out of somebody when the opportunity is right it is standing by your product even if it isn't popular. If he didn't have the money to produce the system that is fine, but the fact that he waited to see the systems growth before finding a grievance, doesn't make him smart and admirable, it makes him money grubbing.
As mentioned before Nintendo has lawyers field through these patents, but lets be honest about this guys actions, they are not of an inventor hurt by having his idea stolen, they are of an opportunist who sees a successful product they can cash in on. For crap sake look at the presentation he gives for his product, I don't care if everybody dials in their presentations, if you want to be taken seriously look the part.
I am all for defending the little man, does his invention have merit of course it does the WII has sold boat loads off of the idea of motion control. Did he create the Wii controls I doubt it and I am betting a court will feel the same way. Just because you strapped a belt to a wagon doesn't mean your created the car, or the seatbelt, people aren't owed money because they had an idea that didn't fly. All that patent suits like this ensure is, that companies will not take chances to avoid law suit after law suit from people swearing they stole from them, then when your technology becomes stagnant what happens then?
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He waited till Nintendo had the most profit they could make and then decided that he needed to show the world, what he created. Integrity is not waiting to see how much money you can get out of somebody when the opportunity is right it is standing by your product even if it isn't popular. If he didn't have the money to produce the system that is fine, but the fact that he waited to see the systems growth before finding a grievance, doesn't make him smart and admirable, it makes him money grubbing.
As mentioned before Nintendo has lawyers field through these patents, but lets be honest about this guys actions, they are not of an inventor hurt by having his idea stolen, they are of an opportunist who sees a successful product they can cash in on. For crap sake look at the presentation he gives for his product, I don't care if everybody dials in their presentations, if you want to be taken seriously look the part.
I am all for defending the little man, does his invention have merit of course it does the WII has sold boat loads off of the idea of motion control. Did he create the Wii controls I doubt it and I am betting a court will feel the same way. Just because you strapped a belt to a wagon doesn't mean your created the car, or the seatbelt, people aren't owed money because they had an idea that didn't fly. All that patent suits like this ensure is, that companies will not take chances to avoid law suit after law suit from people swearing they stole from them, then when your technology becomes stagnant what happens then?
Posted: Jan 15th 2008 3:37AM ThornedVenom said
Quit missing the point: he wasn't oriented in the same direction as his character.
Boo to immersiveness?
Boo to immersiveness?
Posted: Jan 15th 2008 7:27AM Wild Bill said
"Got him down pretty quick" (smug look).
Yeah, because you're playing 2 player on your own!!!
Yeah, because you're playing 2 player on your own!!!
Posted: Jan 15th 2008 11:58AM (Unverified) said
*sight* of the dreamcast, not site.
Posted: Jan 15th 2008 8:46PM (Unverified) said
@ vidguy It really comes down to how the patent is written that really tells you if you infringe or not. Patents have to be both a)General and b)specific to protect a) Anything similar, and b) anything just like it.
Posted: Jan 16th 2008 12:01AM Mabui said
Can you sue the US government for giving you a patent, that later gets sued for infringing on another patent? "Why did you give me this patent, when there are 3000 other patents that are the same?"
Posted: Jan 17th 2008 12:45AM (Unverified) said
I believe the news reported that he's not suing...
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