Joystiq interview: Patrick Goschy talks about Midway, tells us he 'made the Wii'

(* Note: About one third of the way through the Fox news footage, you can glimpse someone's hands playing the Wii. The shirt is unmistakably Joystiq, and the hands ... wow, that's Chris Grant from a CNN video dated December 2006! Congratulations Chris, you've become archived footage! You're immortal!)
In 1999, while working as a Development Systems Technician at Midway, Goschy created his first motion-controlled device. "Quake II was huge," he said, "I wondered why you couldn't pull yourself through the game and shoot on screen like in Time Crisis." Goschy's creation was an accelerometer placed in what is essentially a light gun. As he explained it, a button was used to change the motion controls from character movement to aiming on screen. The next invention was the two-handed motion controls seen in the video demonstration by Goschy playing Ready 2 Rumble on Sega Dreamcast. That video was produced in June of 2000. Both devices listed above were part of patent filings in 1999.
In 2000, according to Goschy, Midway came up with a bonus compensation plan which would reportedly supplement him for royalties on a third patent. "[The document was] written up so they can pay anything and fire anytime," said Goschy. He sought advice from an attorney who advised against signing it. They sent back a modified copy but didn't hear back. Goschy was laid off five months later in March of 2001.
Goschy signed a separation agreement saying that he "will not talk about anything [he and Midway did] and he will not reveal anything" in return for a month's pay. He cited the recent dot-com bubble burst, no job prospects and a lack of college degree as reasons he signed off on it. Goschy became a field service technician and, in summer of 2002, received a package from Midway that included the patent he didn't sign. Still turning down the bonus compensation, he did not sign it.

Goschy, who now works as a consultant as well as the director of R&D for Computer Assisted Living, said his intention was to earn recognition for what he feels is a major part of the Wii remote. "Considering how many units have been sold and the fact that this device has changed the way that video games will be played forever, yeah money would be great, but the main reason is that I did it and I wanted people to know it."
So, does he have a case? There are two US patents, both filed in 1999, that cite Goschy as an inventor (6315673, 6545661) - the latter was referenced by Nintendo in a patent filed in April 2003 for a "game device changing sound and an image in accordance with a tilt operation," laying the foundation for the Wii remote. It should be noted that there are a total of 110 U.S. patents and nine foreign patents that are reference by Nintendo. Goschy's patent is also referenced by Apple (7307228) and Nikon (6727885).
As noted in the Fox news video by patent attorney Richard Beem, Goschy made these while at Midway, giving the rights to his work to the company. "Invent for an employer, you invent for a paycheck," he said. "The rights go to the employer." Beem further concluded that, in his opinion, the Wii remote -- which besides an accelerometer also uses IR sensors for motion detection -- is "an advance over and above and beyond what Mr. Goschy came up with." In other words, no deal.

Midway declined to comment for this story. Nintendo gave us a statement identical to what Fox news received: "Mr. Goschy did not invent this technology or its use with video games ... it is irresponsible to report or suggest that this invention relates in any way to the Wii system."
Still, Goschy is adamant. "I made the Wii," he told us, later in the interview adding, "It kills me every time I see the video [for it]."
In response to Engadget's suggestion of creating a new video, Goschy said he would have to find a working Dreamcast first. As for a video demonstration of the gun used with Quake II, he said, "I don't even know if I have the gun anymore ... that would be tougher." When asked about his apparent lack of pants in the footage, Goschy explained, "I came up with the idea during the summer, and it gets hot in Chicago during the summer, those are shorts and sandals that I am wearing. Midway was a pretty casual environment."










Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
DiRT @ Jan 16th 2008 2:27PM
My Dreamcast doesn't work anymore. :(
Shmil @ Jan 16th 2008 2:29PM
I'll this man the recognition he deserves no longer will i say wii-mote now it is the Goschymote
Shmil @ Jan 16th 2008 2:39PM
I'll *give* this man the recognition he deserves. No longer will I say wii-mote, now it is the Goschymote
Jason 360 @ Jan 16th 2008 2:31PM
Untill now
Todd @ Jan 16th 2008 2:32PM
Goschy did not invent the Wii. He may have helped influence someone at Nintendo, who later came up with the Wii, but Goschy did not first hand create technology that is actively used for the Wii.
What Goschy made is a glorified light gun, in which the game recognizes two inputs instead of the standard one. In retrospect, he also lost rights to any work he created while working for someone else who paid him for said creative work.
Goschy sounds like he's just bitching, and wants to make a big fuss.
creid @ Jan 16th 2008 2:51PM
That's funny... the Wii Remote is an awful lot like a glorified light gun.
ill trooper @ Jan 16th 2008 3:11PM
When he says "I made the Wii," I think he's saying that in that room back at Midway, he built something that behaves like the Wii does now - I don't hear it as "I'm claiming to create the success that the Wii is now."
Plus, Midway has sort of shown they're worried about their claims to the patent because they have continually tried to get this guy to accept some sort of financial compensation and sign over rights to it. Smart move this guy made by refusing all of that, seems he's been able to keep his rights to his patent, and it could be a good pay-off that he deserves if it's shown he played a substantial role in creation of the Wii's control scheme.
Eddie @ Jan 16th 2008 2:33PM
This dude fails at inventing.
Also, does "I made the Wii" sound like a two year old describing how his potty training is going to anyone else?
dvnt @ Jan 16th 2008 2:33PM
I have a working Dreamcast and live in Chicago. I'll let him borrow it. :p
Corbo @ Jan 16th 2008 2:36PM
Okay, so his system is somewhat similar to the nunchuck but it hardly seems close enough to sue.
And even if his conspiracy theories about Midway and Nintendo sharing patents are correct, inspiring the nunchuck doesn't give him the right to claim he "made the Wii". Actually, even if he's right about that, he still doesn't have a leg to stand on since Midway own the patents and they can do what they like with them.
The guy might have a case but so many factors - the arrogance, the timing, the certainty that major international corporations are stealing from him - make it seem like he's just a greedy attention-seeker.
Travis @ Jan 16th 2008 2:37PM
did the interviewer ask what he was wearing?
Like pants?
Seriously...by making comments like "I invented the Wii" it's clear this guy's case isn't going to win...
He's now suggesting he invented the innards of the machine? The processor? The Video Card? The flap to protect your memory card from dust?
Yeah, he has a bit of paper work to back it up...but the world works like this: Big companies usually never lose in courts.
Nintendo will properly obtain the rights from Namco for the use of Pac-Man to eat this man before he gets any further.
And I hate to judge...but appearances DO matter...this guy looks like something out of Spinal Tap...He looks down on his luck, and is now suing to pay for an endless supply of Bagel Bites and RC Cola to keep him fueled while he plays Smash Brothers Brawl on his homebrew jumprope controller.
Martez @ Jan 16th 2008 2:41PM
And I invented duct tape, which makes me mostly responsible for the Wii, as well.
samfish @ Jan 16th 2008 2:43PM
Well *I* invented the number 2.
Without my invention, no Gamecubes could be stuck together.
Martez @ Jan 16th 2008 3:16PM
Teamwork!
Jimmy @ Jan 16th 2008 2:43PM
Running around yelling "I made the Wii!" isn't helping his case, especially when combined with the lack of pants...
hvnlysoldr @ Jan 16th 2008 3:51PM
Read the post. They're actually shorts.
Jimmy @ Jan 17th 2008 12:15PM
I'm pretty sure I did read the post: Wearing shorts can still be considered a lack of pants, especially when being videotaped. Check the pants wiki for confirmation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/youareanidiot
Kendall B @ Jan 16th 2008 2:45PM
He's kinda like a less-threatening version of Lemmy from Motorhead without the huge mole/wart thing hanging off his cheek.
Sean @ Jan 16th 2008 2:53PM
Zertoss
If it's anything like trademarking a product name, then it goes something like this.
A trademark is submitted to the trademark office. They decide if the proposed trademark is unique enough to uh..trademark. For example, you can't trademark a product called "Dog Food" - too generic. They also check to make sure it doesn't infringe on any existing trademarks..
If it passes that phase, then it is entered in the system. Then, for a certain amount of time, (I think three months), other people can challenge the trademark. Basically, if they've been using the name, phrase, whatever and they can prove prior use, then they have a case.
Once that time is up, the trademark goes through the final stages and becomes a trademark.
That's probably not 100% correct but it's the best I can recall from when it was explained to me. I imagine patents probably follow a similar process. And you don't have to search every patent making sure your idea isn't already taken - there's firms that specialize in doing just that for you.
In short, I'm sure Nintendo was more than aware of every patent that the Wii techonlogy's patent may potentially have trod upon.
hvnlysoldr @ Jan 16th 2008 4:07PM
Patents are generally stronger in legal terms. One company frauded the Trademark for the NES to create unlicensed NES games. Nintendo sued claiming copyright, trademark, and patents. Amazingly even though they outright lied to the Trademark organization and stole the plans for the NES the court sided them over the copyright and trademark. However the patent could not be disputed and Nintendo won.
Mud @ Jan 16th 2008 3:04PM
Lol @ Martez.
Travis: The Wii is only a popular console because of the motion sensitive wiimote. If the guy patented something that influenced the creation of the wiimote he kind of did make the Wii. Only if the courts agree with him though. Otherwise, his bad for not marketing the thing. That 'stache is rockin' though.
Travis @ Jan 16th 2008 3:16PM
I suppose you are right...Their defence to the Wii claim would be "no...the gamecube invented the wii by making love to another gamecube"
I do sorta feel bad for OMGoschy... I know what it's like to feel cheated when it comes to matters like this.
I wrote the song "Faith" by George Michael on the spot...out loud... while having a #2 in a public bathroom stall...
Next thing you know...it's a hit...
you win some, and you lose some...
JodyAnthony (death by snoo-snoo) @ Jan 16th 2008 3:36PM
not a comment on the article itself, but a question: when are you doing more shirts? I missed out on he last round and i needs my JoyShirt fix
Slaziman (B-B-BRUSHED WITH FAAAAME) @ Jan 16th 2008 3:45PM
I thought if you innovated a certain thing enough old patents don't apply? The Wiimote is obviously much more advanced.
ill trooper @ Jan 16th 2008 4:01PM
All right, I'm done.
I can't stand reading a bunch of clowns dissing and trying to discredit an inventor that helped create your precious Wii, has a video to prove it, has a major company (Midway) tracking him down to offer him compensation packages to be able to nullify his claims to his own patent, which Nintendo references in their own patents on the Wii. What more do you want from an individual?
There is a trail of evidence and actions that lead me to believe he is owed compensation from Nintendo.
But instead of people wanting to hear more, or see a creator compensated, I just see a bunch of people saying things like "He fails," "Look at his mustache, he probably beats his wife," "Nice shorts," and "He needs money for hot pockets." Well, maybe he does - and since he seems to have helped create the control scheme that is one of Nintendo's major cash cows, I think he's entitled. I mean, where else is someone supposed to get money? He works, he's not a deadbeat, this all involves a patent he holds, what's the problem?
If you like the Wii, this dude should be your fucking HERO, he did what many of us wish we could have done eight years ago, which is help create part of the awesomeness that is the Wii controller. Instead we get a bunch of people accusing him of lame shit and money-grabbing. So what? If Nintendo is 'money grabbing' using some of his influence, he deserves some loot.
How many comments did we all read about people being mad that the Sixaxis ripped the Wii off? Where's that same anger when you see a clever dude, in a normal life like any of us, possibly getting shafted by Midway and Nintendo?
Let the courts decide, and hopefully this inventor will get a fair settlement from Nintendo, et al.
Breaks my heart that some of you side with a corporation rather than a innovator that has the evidence, timeline, and patents to prove he's the real deal.
That is all from me.
Mr Khan @ Jan 16th 2008 4:07PM
1 of 110 American patents, though
Not saying this guy did a good thing, but the idea that this was a specific cover-up, and not just another instance of corporate sleaze (like the idea that Midway felt the technology might be useful later, and wanted to cover their asses if it was). I doubt he was the only one that was working on pioneering this idea.
As I said elsewhere, Nintendo didn't look at this and say "gentlemen, this is our future." They probably looked at this device as one of a trend in motion-based gaming that was being experimented with at the time
Vidikron (FU) @ Jan 16th 2008 4:11PM
The problem is that most of the fanboys here believe that Nintendo is basically infalible. Anything that tarnishes that simply can't be true.
hvnlysoldr @ Jan 16th 2008 4:16PM
It's his attitude that he's been completely railroaded and deserves recognition is our problem. Sure I can see that this helped Nintendo to realize the Wii but his attitude is that he made the Wii and no other singular person could possibly have come up with this idea or that Nintendo used this and many ideas into creating the Wii.
Pointz @ Mar 7th 2008 6:07AM
Shut UP
Gary Combs @ Jan 16th 2008 4:13PM
Sad. I honestly feel bad for the guy for thinking he is the only person who thought of this idea. I still think its just likely Nintendo purchased all possible patents somewhat related with the Wiimote to avoid silly lawsuits. Considering Nintendo is pretty good at winning lawsuits, what have they lost one or two?
hvnlysoldr @ Jan 16th 2008 4:20PM
They lost out to Goober or something. Anyway they made the Game Genie.
Gary Combs @ Jan 16th 2008 4:33PM
Yeah, Lewis Galoob over Game Genie. I thought they lost a lawsuit over Tetris too. but I could be wrong.
Mr Khan @ Jan 16th 2008 4:49PM
They "lost" an antitrust lawsuit against the United States of America
(lost is in quotes because their punishment was to give a $5 off coupon to all "victims," which actually ended up giving Nintendo even more profit)
But they did lose
Jared Sol @ Jan 16th 2008 4:19PM
"BAAAAAWWWW! SOME RANDOM CRAP I MADE WITHOUT PATENTING IS KINDA SIMILAR TO THIS SUPER-POPULAR DEVICE AND NOBODY'S THROWING MONEY AT ME! BAAAAAWWWWW!"
So the general gist is: He made some kind of motion control sceme, which has been what eveyone's been imagining for decades, and now claims that when someone finally does commercialise it, it's a copy of his work?
Killjebus @ Jan 16th 2008 4:46PM
ill trooper is right.
IF THIS WERE SONY most of you would be falling all over yourselves crying Sony stole this guys idea, Sony is the most eveil corporation evar. Sony has to copy everything they see. Sony has no innovation. Sony deserves to die. And on...and on...and on.
Most of you are a bunch of hypocrites. NINTENDO can do no wrong....EVAR.
Where Sony has a controller that CLEARLY was not whipped up at the last moment....and you NINTEBOTS cry waaaaaaahhhh, Sony copied Nintendo.
Pathetic
I look forward to the day when this waggle crap goes the way of the Dodo.
Cameras that can see you and tell exactly where you are in 3D space while picking up the rate of motion and the direction is the inevitable control (for some games not all) of the future. NOT this wave my arms around like and eeediot crap.
praise be the Beer Volcano
Ramen
Vidikron (FU) @ Jan 16th 2008 5:59PM
LOL... so true about Sony.
kastonie @ Jan 16th 2008 6:15PM
But sony did jack a lot of ideas from nintendo.
Mr Khan @ Jan 16th 2008 4:51PM
"Cameras that can see you and tell exactly where you are in 3D space while picking up the rate of motion and the direction is the inevitable control"
That sounds a lot like what the IR sensor does, not as precise, but that's the idea.
gst @ Jan 16th 2008 5:38PM
What Goschy did really wasn't that
revolutionary of an idea. Light-gun tech (and other light-based
pointing tech) and accelerometer tech has existed for a long while.
From the looks of it, his idea was a very specific implementation
that just combined existing technologies for two games.
If you want to be pedantic about the whole thing, it is likely that
he himself had to use and reference many similar patents in his own
patent. So should Nintendo give him money which he should then have
to give to the creator of the light gun and rudimentary motion
sensing tech? With that in mind, it is also apparent that there are
over a hundred other similar patents, many of which likely had just
as much influence on the Wii if not more. Should Nintendo have to
funnel money to all of those "inventors" and all of their respective
influences as well?
At a certain point, the whole argument of who had an idea first just
becomes silly and, frankly, I am really not so impressed with
Goschy's ideas (or, at least, the purported uniqueness and novelty of
his ideas). I remember seeing similar things out as special
controllers or in arcades around the time of or before his patents.
For him to make the audacious claim that he "made the Wii" is, in my
opinion, borne completely out of his own self-righteousness and
indignant frustrations.
Yes, he had a cool idea, but it is obvious that he did not come up
with every component by himself and that he was not (by far!) the
only contributor to advances in motion technology for computers and
gaming. I am willing to bet that there are plenty of owners of
similar patent on motion controls that could make similar claims as
Goschy's...and probably some that could make a case for suing him if
he won any money from Nintendo.
It seems completely plausible to me that Nintendo engineers came up
with the idea for motion controls and the Wiimote technology, for the
most part, on their own and then had to check for patent similarities
at a later time (because, frankly, with most of the technology in
existence already, it is not that hard to ideate putting it all
together). So I would say that even Nintendo shouldn't be given that
much exclusive credit for the motion controls in the Wii.
What Nintendo should recieve credit for is their implementation of
existing technologies into a cohesive whole, their design ideas, and the
other technological implementations involved in the Wii console,
which are all things that someone in Goschy's position can make no claims to. After
all, new ideas are actually quite common in this world of inventors
and engineers but are also completely useless without the proper
interface for implementation and all the Wii really does is combines
existing tech into a novel (and altogether marketable) interface.
gst @ Jan 16th 2008 5:41PM
My comment is all...strangely indented from the right... and I dont know why.
mafafu @ Jan 16th 2008 5:56PM
Of course he doesn't need the money. That porn stache should keep him in the Benjamins rather easily.
kastonie @ Jan 16th 2008 6:21PM
If he's pissed because nintendo stole his idea, why didnt he come out with the wii then? whats stopping him? He apparently didnt want it. Because if he wanted it bad enough, he would have had it. Maybe he should go into console development with something that is an even better idea than using accelerometers and IR cameras...maybe something like a ring... yea...
You stand inside this ring that is on the floor. When you punch and kick the ring picks up your movement and translates it into the game. OH SNAP I JUST STOLE THE SEGA ACTIVATOR!!!!!
ManRay @ Jan 16th 2008 7:12PM
Kirbys Tilt 'n' Tumble released in 2001, Wario Ware Twisted, Yoshi Topsy Turvy. What have they got in common? All games are tilt-controlled, made possible by incorporating accelerometers into gameboy cartridges.
It's obvious Nintendo have been experimenting in this field for some time, and having honed the technology and hit upon the idea of incorporating IR they decided the time was right to include it as standard in their controllers, as a means of differentiating themselves from the compeitition.
Don't get me wrong this guy deserves credit for having created such a controller off his own bat, but I think the likelihood is Nintendo had prototypes for a range of accelerometer based controllers developed by the time Kirby was released in 2001.
When they saw how badly they struggled last gen, and given all their previous control based innovations (d-pad, shoulder buttons, analogue stick, vibration) had been adopted by Sony & Microsoft, allied to their constant insistence that something more than incremental graphical improvements are needed to keep the public interested, coupled with the definitive proof provided by the ds that innovation is more important than processing power, they obviously felt now was the time to incorporate those ideas into their standard console controller.
I can understand this guys grievances, but ultimately their misdirected. It's Midway who did him the injustice, not Nintendo.
joe @ Jan 16th 2008 8:46PM
If he just wanted attention for having made something similar to the Wii controllers way back when, he should've just released the video. The internet would've gone, "Oooh! That's cool. He's a cool guy." But now that he gone the lawsuit route, he just looks like a douchebag.
Scooby Doo @ Jan 16th 2008 8:48PM
I'm not too sure if this guy has a decent case, but didn't Miyamoto say that he had the idea for the Wii for many years, well beyond the 2003 patent, but that the technology wasn't available at an affordable cost until recently? Maybe someone can find that interview.
Nintendo is known for an incredible R&D department and I have to agree with GST; it's a huge leap of faith to say that Nintendo stole his idea and that there weren't already a team of engineers working on a solution. We'll have to wait for the trial when Nintendo busts out with confidential information to support that this was an original idea on their part. I'm just willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until I hear otherwise.
Brendon @ Jan 16th 2008 9:38PM
Sure, Goschy has questionable grooming habits and fashion sense, but I'd really like to see pictures of everyone here who is dismissing him because of that.
Brendon @ Jan 16th 2008 9:39PM
BTW, my avatar looks exactly like me. ^_^
Shagittarius @ Jan 17th 2008 1:47AM
Dad?
Brendon @ Jan 17th 2008 2:12AM
Son!
Borgelite @ Jan 16th 2008 9:59PM
First thought when I saw the guy's picture was "oooo you touch my tra la la, my ding ding dong".