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Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 9:46AM micheal82 said

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Sensational headlines crack for bad parents.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 9:52AM micheal82 said

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I totally agree we need to ignore people like Janice Turner, Jack Thompson and Fox News. If we don't look they will just fade away.
I would like to know what "character, plot, drama, humour, life" the "I Love New York" and "America's Next Top Model" teaches kids.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 10:06AM SheppyReturns said

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That's a misconception even the ESA acknowledged. If you ignore them, they'll go away? No, if you ignore them, they stand alone without having their views and studies challenged. The only people you have defending our hobbies then becomes internet trolls, ignorance cockswallows that think they can prove Jack Thompson wrong with death threats.

Fuck ignoring these bastards. Challenge their opinions stated as fact. Fight half reports with full reports. Slam their conjectures for the paranoia inspired opinions they are. If you allow them and open mic, don't complain when they lead the cattle. But share a mic and allow the debate to give the cattle a choice.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 10:09AM (Unverified) said

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I would agree with you, were it not for the sad fact that while the informed people look away, everyone else is being even more ill informed. Passive response isn't going to cut it, you have to defend your hobby.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 10:44AM micheal82 said

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The problem with attacking them on every front is that they are only looking for attention. They know that once they say something totaly outragous gamers not only will take the time to read what they have to say but go to their websites or read the newspaper or watch the news broadcast that they are on. Once people stop paying them the attention that they crave they will become irrelevent and fade back into obscurity where they belong.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 11:19AM SheppyReturns said

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But Michael, if you give them the attention or not, they are GETTING the attention. You forget, violent crime is steadily decreasing, has been since the rise of video games. Yet we're still living with this myth that it's rising. Why does this myth exist?

Because people like you hear people like them and say "nobody's listening." Yeah, people ARE listening. People are still interviewing Jack Thompson. Gaming enthusiasts need to be just as active, just as vocal as their critics. After all, comic fans took it up the ass and accepted the CCA, and for 30 years, US comics stagnated whereas the rest of the world's comics grew up. The initial backlash was the horrid crap like from Image but eventually, things like Sin City could be a mainstream release instead of an underground production.

Don't let that happen again, Michael. Don't let censorship and paranora define your media.
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Posted: Jan 24th 2008 1:43PM (Unverified) said

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I don't have the time or interest to read through this reply thread; but its not the Joystiq readers that supply people like Turner with steady paychecks. Those who watch Fox News and think they are learning something about politics and current affairs rather than consuming propaganda and a few biased remarks from talking heads like Billo are the ones who keep these people employed.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 10:06AM (Unverified) said

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I am guessing no one read her column until news broke about this on gaming sites. Thanks for perpetuating this ignorant opinion of video games. Irresponsible journalism should be ignored.
P.S. I think the main reason why I don't like her is because she is not a Metallica fan.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 10:10AM ThornedVenom said

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You know, at first all of the crap-smearing was kind of funny, with gamers united all over the internet yappering how dumb/uninformed/sensationalist people with loud mouths are, but dang, there IS such thing as too much crap.


I'm just going to state that I'd rather have my kids playing on the Xbox than taking real crack.

And I shall finish this comment with the most appropriate Jean-Luc Picard facepalm. *facepalms*

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 10:32AM AwesomeTown said

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I got a question or two. Aren't journalists supposed to do research, fact check, and such before they write an article? Or is this an opinion piece by someone who refuses to admit that she has no idea what she is talking about?

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 10:34AM (Unverified) said

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"Even the crappiest cartoon or lamest soap teaches a child about character, plot, drama, humour, life,"

I'm sorry, but this is the dumbest fucking thing that I've ever heard. Actually, I'm not sorry. Who wants to join me in my class action law suit against TLC for false advertising? There's not a lawyer anywhere in the world that can convince a jury that The Learning Channel teaches anyone a damn thing anymore.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 10:40AM foxhound said

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At first, I was going to say that you were wrong - because THE LEARNING CHANNEL taught me how to change the channel to something *worth* watching(and learning from); but technically, there was no program instructing me to do that... so...
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 10:49AM (Unverified) said

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Anyone remember the days of when Elvis and Ozzy Osbourne were bringers of Satan and were going to downfall all of society?

Those were the days weren't they?

Now both Elvis and Ozzy are loved to death, soon games will be the same way, just will take 20 years for it to happen.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 10:51AM JoeTheRed said

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Video games are "crack cocaine for the brain?"

Gee, I always thought that crack cocaine was the crack cocaine for the brain. But what do I know? I've been playing video games most my life so obviously I haven't learned much about informations.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 11:02AM (Unverified) said

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I guess I'll just go back to my regular crack than; Xbox Live sounds too hardcore.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 11:22AM (Unverified) said

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From my rocking chair:

It is not without some hesitation that I admit I’m old. That in and of itself would not be considered news, except in the world of gaming where age seems to be more dreaded than in the back lots of Hollywood. It’s a bit odd to find one’s self so completely and totally out of the target demographic but also surprisingly liberating. I’m almost shy (almost) about admitting my true age which is, well, up there. The one idea that bolsters my gaming self-esteem is that every single gamer out there will one day be just as old as I am (I mean look at Larry Hyrb). That said, I must also preface my remarks by saying that I like electronic games and I’ve been drawn into the Xbox world quite happily despite the ageism from an otherwise jovial community.

Mass Effect is a highly flawed yet enjoyable space opera. I suppose due to its fueling of male adolescent fantasies with alien woman releasing their passions upon humans regardless of gender sparks controversy in some circles. The fact that controversy erupts over so harmless an idea executed albeit erotically but with as much taste and dignity as such things can muster, demonstrates how far we have failed to come as an open-minded society. Did the same occur with Fable when it was revealed you could marry either gender and engage in same-sex connubial intercourse? If you didn’t try it, you must go back and give it a whirl. It is very funny without being denigrating to our gay gamer friends (another fringe group in the gaming world).

The story of Mass Effect centers on cooperation between various alien races to achieve inter-stellar harmony and vanquish an irrational foe who thrives on destruction and nothing else. I can’t imagine anyone, young or old, finding Mass Effect Satanically inspired or otherwise encouraging the moral decay for themselves, their family or our society. In fact, the story encourages a pluralistic view of the Universe

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 11:23AM (Unverified) said

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So what does it mean if you smoke crack while playing your 360? And imagine if WoW were on the 360. Our heads would asplode from the addiction.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 11:39AM (Unverified) said

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I think one would die of overdose :P
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Posted: Jan 24th 2008 1:46PM (Unverified) said

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Like Heath Ledger? ZING
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 11:27AM (Unverified) said

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If videogames are Satan's sudoku, then what does that make a sudoku videogame? Does the act of transposing anything interactive on a TV screen instantly make it Satan's sudoku? What about the Bible Game for PS2? Is that Satan's sudoku as well? What about Bible Adventures for Nintendo? What would her religiously fanatic readers do if they knew she called two games that helped gamers learn about the Bible, "Satan's sudoku"?

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 11:38AM (Unverified) said

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We have seen this before also really at least try to call it MJ, crystal or ecstasy .The media have pretty much overused the word crack these days and for some one who supposedly writes for an important magazine one would think she at least would have a more wide lexicon or vocabulary.

Now that if a parent never limit the time to their kids because they are busy reading such petulant articles well who fault is it? The Media will always find a scapegoat for the lazy and the stupid not to mention parents with no obligations.

One month they declare the game of the year and the next month they declare videogames a threat.

This is Times for ya.

They did the same with well pretty much everything.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 11:40AM SuicideNinja said

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Regardless of the Times columnist's severely misguided opinion, this was a fantastically written article.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 7:24PM (Unverified) said

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"Once, such kids would be the playground outcasts, but no longer. Mine are. Because, unlike the TV-hating parents, I refuse to buy them portable gaming consoles, Xboxes, GameCubes, PS2s."

Yea, that won't make them outcasts.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 11:55AM qrack said

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What's sad is that, until she devolves into a "video games are the work of the devil" rant, she makes a valid point. A lot of kids lead sedentary lives because they're glued to TVs, video games, and their PC. Unfortunately, she takes the low road and her point is lost amidst the ignorance of her anti-video game prejudice.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 12:14PM (Unverified) said

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Give her a copy of portal and tell her to shut up.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 12:43PM (Unverified) said

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I encourage everyone to leave an INTELLIGENT, GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT comment on Janice Turner's article pointing out why it is a disgrace.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 2:03PM Nick the Hero of Canton said

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And all this time I though crack was crack for kids.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 2:44PM Kamizar said

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I think, uhhh, that we should, ummm, ya know do stuff and uhhh...

Sorry, I just can't make a good post unless I've had me some head crack...

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 2:49PM markhill66 said

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Why can't they call crack the Xbox for adults? That doesn't seem fair.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 2:50PM (Unverified) said

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"Technology boggles us with its unfathomable black magic: what if Microsoft used its power for evil and patented spyware that could suck our brains out through our noses?"

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 3:40PM (Unverified) said

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OMG Spyware virus.Noees,lol.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 8:16PM (Unverified) said

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lol!
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Posted: Jan 23rd 2008 4:53PM Booxatron said

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I, for one, welcome our brain-sucking voodoo robot overlords.
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Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 5:21PM (Unverified) said

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This is why we need eugenics.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 5:24PM (Unverified) said

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I'm predicting that this lady's kids are the next to go on a murderous rampage.

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 6:26PM (Unverified) said

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1. I'll give her that this is better written than both the Fox News piece, and McCullough's "article", though those can hardly be described as "written".

2. This woman clearly despises her children. Video games are so horrible, and she buys them every system available? Oh but she draws the line at portables. What a saint.

3. The "AppleMac". Now that's just plain giggle inducing.

4. "...one of those frightful working-class homes".
C'mon now Janice, that's just too easy.

5. Seriously, am I the only one that got the impression she hates her kids?

Posted: Jan 22nd 2008 11:20PM Batzarro The worlds WOrst Detect said

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"We feel warm inside when they play retro boardgames of wood and paper just as we did."

I wonder if she means all the paper and wood she smoked when she came up with this article...

Posted: Jan 23rd 2008 4:57AM (Unverified) said

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It looks like video games will never credit for the entertainment medium they are until people realize that they are more than a "child's play toy".

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