David Jaffe comments again on state of consoles

MORON MORON MORON MORON MORON, not all that impressed with galaxy yet impressed with a generic arcade racer this guy is greasing his ring and pushing the sony pole deep into his own arsehole.... blatent sony fagg-ing, so how much $$$$$$$ did the brown paper bag from sony have in it you fanbitch.....

generic racing =wow everybodys game of the year didnt impress theres a good old english word of slander that fits you perfectly your a WANKER

i totally agree with single format AS LONG AS ITS NINTENDO AS THAT WOULD GARANTEE THE SINGLE FORMAT CAN BE ALL IT CAN A SONY SINGLE FORMAT= NO INOVATION NO FINE TUNING AND CRAP CONTROLS AND LONG FOOKING LOADTIMES ONLY NINTENDO UNDERSTAND THE SOUL AND HEART OF A GAMES MACHINE SONY DO NOT

THIS GUY ISNT ABOUT A SINGLE FORMAT HE CLEARLY ALL ABOUT SONY
WHAT A SONY POLE RIDING FANFAG

PS3 FLOPPED DEAL WITH IT FANWOMAN

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I agree with Jaffe on this

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I agree with you Both LOL

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I'm sorry but I can't imagine how he thinks that Burnout on the PS3 is any better than burnout on the 360, considering that they're the exact same game and look identical. Is there some sort of hidden Burnout secret in the PS3 version that only he knows about?

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The fact that they're both evenly matched on either console - but the PS3 version plays with 100% flawless framerate, whereas the 360 gets slightly choppy at points.

Albeit picky, this could be the tipping point in the console wars, as PS3 starts to have equal performance on these multiplatform titles, and has increasing online support. The PS3 already does more than the 360 beyond gaming (blu-ray, etc), so once the games catch up, it's already winning in quality and value.

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@ Kyle Kennedy: "...The PS3 already does more than the 360 beyond gaming (blu-ray, etc)..."

What? The 360 has HD DVD, and that makes the Blu-Ray comparison null, and besides: Blu-Ray load time are WAY longer that a DVD9. Online on the PS3 is still a joke "free" or not. With your "free" online service you get what you pay
for, no unified friends list, no game invites, or the fact that no one has a mic, ever. No achievements (whether you like 'em or not), no matchmaking or Trueskil, custom sound tracks, no in-game dashboard, etc...

I think I'll take a "frame rate hiccup" or two, and get all the added benefits the 360 has to offer.

**Insert lame RROD overheating joke below.**

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@ Kyle Kennedy: "...The PS3 already does more than the 360 beyond gaming (blu-ray, etc)..."

What? The 360 has HD DVD, and that makes the Blu-Ray comparison null, and besides: Blu-Ray load time are WAY longer that a DVD9. Online on the PS3 is still a joke "free" or not. With your "free" online service you get what you pay
for, no unified friends list, no game invites, or the fact that no one has a mic, ever. No achievements (whether you like 'em or not), no matchmaking or Trueskil, custom sound tracks, no in-game dashboard, etc...

I think I'll take a "frame rate hiccup" or two, and get all the added benefits the 360 has to offer.

**Insert lame RROD overheating joke below.**

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Kennedy assumes we care what a console does beyond games. I have a PS3 and so far... I'm disappointed. I have a few Blu-ray disks... which are nice, but I get a LOT more enjoyment out of a game than a movie.

And as for games, I find myself playing PS2 games MUCH more often than PS3 games. That is a sad commentary.

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The interview with David Jaffe on the PlayStation Nation podcast cleared up a lot of the nonsense that the gaming blogs post recently.

The whole "one console" thing was a mistake: he meant to say one standard or something like that. Listen to Episode 44 and find out.

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I think he might know about the PS3 porting advantages, you know PS3 to X360 > X360 to PS3.

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Just picked up burnout today. This game is amazing :D

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I really wish people would stop caring so much over what system multiplatform games look better on. It's so completely stupid. I don't care if Burnout Paradise is better or The Orange Box is worse, I have a PS3, so that's the system I'll buy things for. I wish everyone would get a life and stop caring way, way too much about flaming other people just because of their choice of console.

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good comment same here men who cares cares just play the damn game and stop being sony's bitch for once fanboys they don't pay you to talk good things about their console anyway so stop bitching and start playing

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im with you. i own a PS3 and a Wii. i got those two because they are so different while PS3 and 360 are very similar. when a multiplatform game comes out, i dont care which console it looks a little bit better on. if you have to sit there and count pixels or test colors to find a difference then it probably wasnt worth it in the first place. if there is some very large noticeable difference like framerate issues or a game is just unpolished in general then there is a problem. other than that, im completely happy playing multiplatform games on my PS3 and could care less what they look like on 360 since i dont own that console anyway.

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Whether 360 or PS3 wins, isnt it scary to think of how quickly Microsoft became Sony's worst nightmare? I mean PS2 destroyed everything in terms of competition, its was unimaginable to think something could rival it, and then comes Microsoft with xbox, and it hasnt even been 2 complete generations, and its rivals playstation.

Microsoft are rabid animals. Im scared to think what will happen with the next set of consoles.

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I understand what your saying, but i disagree. The only reason 360 has sold more than PS3(so far), is because it came out a year earlier. Plus the PS3 is more advanced than 360 when it comes to hardware and still has better exclusives despite Microsoft pushing hard and spending big bucks to get all the exclusives they can. Even though 360 released a year earlier than PS3, the PS3 is still outselling 360 everywhere in the world except America. I think Sony and the Playstation brand is Microsoft's worst nightmare.

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I'm not really that "worried" - though that is probably a bad word choice.

Who would have thought that Sony's original Playstation would come out and dominate the N64? Then Playstation2 became the best selling console of all time - with Nintendo's Gamecube coming in 3rd in the console wars (at least reputationally speaking, I guess I don't know the numbers of Xbox vs. Gamecube). Then this generation Nintendo is back with a vengeance - dominating EVERYONE... and while Microsoft has a year head start and a library advantage, the PS3 seems to be gaining traction.

Also, keep in mind, the PS2 domination was worldwide, and it seems (in all fairness) that the 360 is only the clear winner still in North America. I know more 360s have been sold in the UK as well, but from the sounds of it PS3 is going to have Europe wrapped up by summer - and it already has Japan. Oh. And the aussies :)

The real interesting battle will begin with the NEXT generation. See if MS and Nintendo maintain momentum. Perpetual slow starts WILL kill the Playstation brand (see: Sega)

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@ doc j

i agree with you almost completely since the PS3 is rapidly gaining on the competition at least in worldwide marketshare. i dont agree with your comparison to SEGA though in the mater of perpetual slow starts. think about it, SEGA doesnt compare to Sony or Microsoft's situations since they are very large corporations with many other divisions that make enough money to survive a couple tough console generations. SEGA on the other hand compares more to Nintendo in that they are small companies that ONLY have what gaming brings them. When the Dreamcast began to stuggle, that was it since they where unable to recoup their losses on the console. Nintendo would be much the same if they had a similar outing. they survived Gamecube but i attribute that mostly to the success of the GBA and DS and now the Wii. SEGA didnt have a juggernaut handheld to fall back on at that point.

so if the PS3 fails in the long run and so does the PS4, Sony could still survive as a company. look at the Xbox, they survived 7 years of losses from that entire division and just recently turned a profit. Sony and Microsoft are in a league of their own compared to SEGA and Nintendo's financial situations.

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I'm with you Efeeze. Who's to say 360 won't stop dead at 24million world-wide and PS3 go on to sell 100million+, even if Wii goes and surpasses 50million mark first, no matter what the other 2 are doing there will b many PS3 owners in the end like PS2, so no way is 360 domonating. Wii is only dominating current sales due to its price, which is the main factor for its purchase over games, while with the PS3, its the games and blu-ray that is pushing the system and not the price. Wait till the PS3 is $300 and then $200 in the future. The PS3 sales shouldn't be compared to Wii anyway because they're so different, thats like comparing PC sales to Wii.

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I am I the only person that does not notice framerates. People have told me some of my multiplat games have bad frame rates or great framerates but I can't tell the difference.

Maybe I just try and enjoy games instead of looking for screen tearing, framerate issues or jaggies.

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i think when people see a sudden shutter or slight pause in the game play, that's the frame rate issues they talk about it. inho

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Sometimes framerate issues are impossible to ignore. For example, I was playing the Kane and Lynch demo on PS3 yesterday, and the framerate dropped significantly when I was near the elevator. The game became practically unplayable for almost half a minute, seeming more like a slideshow than an actual game. Sometimes in fast paced games, frameskipping can be the difference between life and death. Games should desperately try to maintain 60 frames per second, or at least 30 frames per second. If the game drops below 30, the developer needs to consider scaling certain things down to meet the hardware limitations, because when I'm playing a console, I don't want to feel like I'm playing on an underpowered PC.

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I only notice those issues when they're distracting. Airstrikes in COD4 team deathmatch with 9 vs 9 on Bog are distracting because the framerate drops to 1 fps or so. Other maps do it too and even on the X360 this happens.

Tearing..a little distracting on Drake's once in awhile. Otherwise a flawless game.

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LOL One game out of like 200 was ported from the PS3 --> 360 instead of the other way around and now the momentum shifts? Innnteresting!

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I just appreciate Burnout Paradise for the design they put into it when it comes to the PS3. They truly took advantage of the cell by splitting all the work among it. One processor for deformation, one for streaming, ect. When it comes to PS3 development, Criterion knows what they're doing.

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and that's it, devs noticed that, when you port from the PS3 to the 360...the game looks like it should should on both systems! some devs have even said that they were going to start doing this just for that reason!
but here's the problem...if devs stop thinking about how to develope games on the 360 level (not a put down or any thing like that), and start using the PS3 to it's full potential, this could start showing the leaks in the 360 armor! and MS knows this. this could explain why the 360 hasn't started the folding@home work.(many 360 fans asked for it, i know i have one of those as well) just a thought!

look at games like Uncharted,RC:ToD, R:FoM, and Heaven Sword....1st gen games that held their own against 2nd gen games on the 360...even if the reviews seemed like they were slighted!

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guys, if 360 owners(such as myself, i own both) commented everytime the 360 was one up on the ps3 you would need to live in a soundproof home...

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I'm sorry, but I just don't agree with this. I think Jaffe has a right to feel passionately about whatever he wants, but I have to respectfully disagree. I think that the mistakes/foul ups/bad press/etc./whatever-you-want-to-call-it have ensured that the PS3 will finish last when compared to the Wii and the 360. I don't think it is a bad cosole or that it is "inferior" to the 360 or anything, but it is beyond cocky at this point to declare its inevitable victory. I mean the lifetime software attach rate is just over half of what it is on the 360. It hasn't exactly been a platform that is showing that it is bound for victory you know?

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Why do 360 fans overlook all of the mistakes that microsoft has made but are quick to call out sony on every little freaking detail. RRoD oh well they extended the warranty to 3 years for free. This hardly makes up for the fact that the hardware sucks and if it breaks you have to wait a month and a half to get your console back. XBL crashes, well they give us undertow. Free stuff isnt the point! the point is that you're paying for a service that crashes on you. If XBL is so superior to PSN then why do these issue even come up? Where does all of that money that ms is reaping off of you go? Into the board member's pockets thats where. Microsoft thinks they can just pay everyone off and dont have to be accountable for quality. This methodology will bite them in the ass in the end. Just look at how microsoft sold out on their xbox fans when they announced it dead. Sony, despite all the bad press, moddest sales, small catalouge of games has pumped their hearts and souls into their product and their fans. I dont care what anyone says about sony, they are a great company and the reason that they dominated to generations of game consoles.

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I have both consoles and burnout for the ps3 is only running in 720 where the 360 upscales to 1080p 360 version has better color and lighting and I dont see the framerate issue that everyone is talking about. uncharted and heavenly crap oh I mean sword did not do anything revolutionary like all you fanboys think. I have both consoles and nothing has impressed me on the ps3 yet. therefore it sits and does nothing unless i want to compare games because fanboys like to lie and I like to prove them wrong.

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What's the difference between a native-running 720p game and a game running in 720p which has been upscaled to 1080p?

Hint: there is no difference. Upscaled != higher resolution. The same number of pixels are there, they're just bigger.

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I have both consoles and burnout for the ps3 is only running in 720 where the 360 upscales to 1080p 360 version has better color and lighting and I dont see the framerate issue that everyone is talking about. uncharted and heavenly crap oh I mean sword did not do anything revolutionary like all you fanboys think. I have both consoles and nothing has impressed me on the ps3 yet. therefore it sits and does nothing unless i want to compare games because fanboys like to lie and I like to prove them wrong.

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I have both consoles and burnout for the ps3 is only running in 720 where the 360 upscales to 1080p 360 version has better color and lighting and I dont see the framerate issue that everyone is talking about. uncharted and heavenly crap oh I mean sword did not do anything revolutionary like all you fanboys think. I have both consoles and nothing has impressed me on the ps3 yet. therefore it sits and does nothing unless i want to compare games because fanboys like to lie and I like to prove them wrong.

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I'm going to get Burnout tomorrow, and I'll probably get it on the 360 instead of the PS3. Frankly, I think it controls better, and since I've not found any sort of other difference- especially something as minor as a brief framerate drop- between the two in my experience, that's really all that matters: how the damn car steers.

But get back to me in a year or two and we'll see how the two stack up then.

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Additionally, Mario Galaxy was just aggravating to me, what with a schizophrenic camera and controls. But I also beat the whole thing twice in a week and a half, so maybe things just pissed me off more. I think Smash Brothers might make up for it.

Might.

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I went for burnout on 360 cause the demo didn't support 1080i and my TV doesn't support 720p so no way I slice it the 360 version was better for me. But had it supported it(it may the 1st Ratchet and Clank disk demo didnt(download did)) I would have bought it no questions asked.

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I own both. PS3 and 360. Honestly they are identical. I bought the 360 version only because its online was better flushed out and it had achievements.

Funny thing, EBgames here had about a dozen copies or more of Burnout but not one copy for the 360. So I went to Wallymart and again there was about 10 copies for the PS3 and only 1 for the 360. So Burnout seems very popular on the 360 over the PS3.

- I will only buy games on the PS3 if its not available on the 360.
- And if its a online title then I will only buy it on the 360.

Im going to pick up a Wii today I think.

The PS3 has great hardware and it feels like quality but the 360 has great games and feels cheap with its hardware.

The online component on the PS3 maybe free but it should be as it does not merit a payment. Its pretty lousy on the PS3 perhaps because its free.

On the PS3 I own Heavenly sword, UT3, Uncharted, Ratchet&Clank, Motorstorm, Assins Creed, Flow, Stardust, CallingallCars, etc..

On the 360 I own Gears, AceCombat, COD4, Halo3, BurnoutParadise, RainbowVegas, Crackdown, Orangebox and dozens and dozens more. I buy most of my games on this console.

*Kids buy both consoles or all 3 then and only then can you comment on what is best for you. You sound silly saying one is more powerful than the other. I suppose your trying to justify your investment or something but really its only a videogame system. I mean really... LOL!

grunt

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Of course you're going to say these kinds of things, Mr. Jaffe.
You're still part of Sony in some way. Of course you're going to defend your former company that you used to be a part of.

I don't like David Jaffe and I don't like any of his games. Personally, I think he's a big cry baby. But that's just my opinion.

I like Sony. (they have some really good rpgs on their devices) I don't like M$ or the Xbox 360. (too many FPSs and they need more rpgs to win my love)

I love Nintendo. (Gives Mario a huge hug and kiss. Then i poke his fat stomach. lol) The only company that took HUGE risk this generation. (via the Wii)

Now if only the Wii had the same 3rd party support that the PS2 has, the Wii would be iight. I could totally see Persona 3, Odin Sphere or GrimGrimoire on the Wii. But i know that's not gonna happen. (Maybe the rumored Kingdom Hearts 3, I know, i know. Calm down Sony Fanboys and girls, I know that's not gonna happen either.)

Oh well, But a girl can dream right?

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How is it a complete experience without rumble?

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There are PS3 controllers with rumble functionality. The official ones aren't out in the US yet I don't think, but you can import them from japan and they work fine in a US PS3.

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David Jaffe comments again on state of consoles

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