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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:06PM (Unverified) said

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Can this guy just die already.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:53PM copa said

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No, but he could become a lot less relevant if blogs like Joystiq would start to value the gaming community over hit counts, and stop giving this guy ridiculous amounts of free publicity.

Chris, this falls on you. Blogsmith empowers you to withhold compensation for articles that violate editorial standards. You need to use this leverage to cut this crap out.

I respect your rights to run a for-profit blogging operation, but if you are going to continue portraying yourselves as advocates for responsible discussion of gaming, then you have to walk the talk.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:59PM (Unverified) said

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Joystiq telling us what this DBag is preaching is a good thing although it does give him free publicity I feel I need to know this to fight back at him don't blame Chris who is a guy that puts up information of the gaming industry for us readers to well read thats his job. The guy needs to be stopped.

Did everyone stop preaching about Hitler killing Millions of Jews. NO! They complained and complained intill he was stopped.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 5:15PM copa said

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If this were Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, Rupert Murdoch, or someone else with actual power and influence, I would agree with you (except for the weak Hitler analogy).

This is a washed up, discredited, soon-to-be-disbarred lawyer. The only influence he has comes from the blogs that gleefully broadcast everything he has to say. In once case, Joystiq received a letter from Jack Thompson and reprinted it verbatim without charging ad rates.

We don't see all these stories about Jack Thompson because he is an important political figure. We see all these stories because he's a straw man, a caricature, he's easy to make fun of. And more importantly, because individual bloggers get monetary bonuses when they post stories that get large amounts of hits. Pictures of Jack Thompson in a skirt tends to get more hits than news about a Haze delay.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 8:08PM chrisgrant said

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copa: you have no idea what you're talking about or how we compensate people. And where's this "reprinted" letter?
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 10:22PM (Unverified) said

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Copa, you wrong on this one, mang.

Why do these sites report on Jack Thompson? Simple, the ESA allowed him to run free, never challenging, never paying attention to, and what you claim would happen didn't. In fact, it became the opposite.

Because gamers were not keeping tabs on Thompson, his message grew unchallenged. Because the industry thought he would just go away, he's helped to write six different states antigame laws. Because we thought his crazy would consume any rational thinkers around him, his message and followers grew. Because here's the difference...

He isn't preaching to us. He could give a fuck less about us. In fact, if you followed www.gamepolitics.com, you'd see his internet behavior is calling us all stupid and unable to organize ourselves because the games have crippled us. We know his message is bullshit. But we need to keep tabs on it so we know WHERE to fight the bullshit. Because here's the problem...

We currently live in a society that, despite all evidence saying violence across the board is decreasing, your average American they thinks the violence is getting worse. And rarely is the rise of violence in certain areas attributed to actual causes such as an increase in the number of crystal method abusers, it's always the games and movies. Therein lies the issue. WE know games have had very little negative impact on society at large, but we aren't the avergae American. And THAT'S who Jack Thompson is targetting. The kind of people who will say "you know what? This is an issue related to Grand Theft Auto..."
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 10:37PM copa said

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Chris, your reprinted letter is right here:

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/18/jack-thompson-responds-biblically-to-take-two/

Jack Thompson is dependent on you guys to validate him and get his message out, and you guys become dependent on him to get people outraged and drive traffic.

Chris, I have never seen you post a story like the one I linked, and I suspect you know that it shouldn't have been posted, but it becomes incumbent upon you to work with less responsible contributors to break this cycle.

As for compensation, Simon Carless recently spoke to someone at Joystiq and reported that they use a 'pay-per-post' metric with a bonus awarded for stories that exceed a certain threshold in terms of the number of hits they receive.

If you really want to deny that there are any sort of bonuses paid on hit count, then I will take you at your word. But I strongly suspect that Carless's reporting is accurate, particularly since that is how the other Blogsmith sites operate.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 10:47PM copa said

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Sheppy, that's the most thoughtful response I've gotten on this, but I disagree with your facts.

Jack Thompson did not start getting involved in crafting videogame legislation until 2005 in Illinois and Michigan. This is AFTER teh internets had lionized him to a mythic figure well beyond his deserved stature.

And as you well know, Jack Thompson has gravitated from issue to issue until he found one that got him the media attention he desperately craved.

I strongly believe that if the enthusiast gaming press had not been such willing collaborators in this faux debate, he would have moved on and tried to outrage people by defending abortion clinic bombings, or calling for baptism in schools, or some such.
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Posted: Feb 6th 2008 10:02AM chrisgrant said

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copa: getting back to this late, apologies. Regardless, I'm the person who spoke with Simon, and I told him no such thing since it isn't true. Go back and reread his story – I think you're getting us confused with one of the other outlets listed. And other Blogsmith sites? Blogsmith is just a platform ... I can tell you as far as Weblogs, Inc. blogs go (ie: I have no idea how TMZ pays its staff), we most certainly do not pay traffic incentives. We pay per post, and additional feature rates for, well, feature-length posts. If it tanks? You still get paid. If it takes off, you still get paid.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:08PM BananaBoat said

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It would be nice if the media would stop giving him air time, but obviously he'll always have a place at fox news. The problem is that he is pretty damn eloquent, and he's got a decent on-air presence, so they don't mind if he rants and raves (in fact, they probably hope for it).

Meh.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:10PM hvnlysoldr said

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Which IV? MGS4, SSB4, Fatal Frame 4, FFIV, DQIV, SMB4, Xenosaga IV, or IV?
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:11PM (Unverified) said

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Now don't hold me on this. I am going out on a limb and say GTA IV maybe
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 5:51PM (Unverified) said

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The man is crazy,he want's to ban the Roman form of the Number four!!
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Posted: Jan 31st 2008 5:14AM ThornedVenom said

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If he bans "iv", then how would people l__e without Xbox l__e? They'd be dr__ing their Honda C__ics and trying to g__e it back to the store, hoping that it'd gladly rece__e them and g__e them their money back.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:20PM wolf4537 said

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Where's the pink outfit Jackass Thompson?
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:25PM GhostCrisis said

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I dont know exactly what office this guy is the head of (Maybe the I'm-A-Jerk-and-EVERYONE-must-know-it office), but in all seriousness, who the HELL does he think he is when there are millions of other pressing issues he could stick his ugly mug into? I mean, if he wants to speak on behalf those who wish there werent violent games, he's in the wrong universe. Send him back to Bizarro Land please. There are games out there without the violence and all, and some of those games are not only good, but fun? Does he know about ANY of those games? Im sure Mr. Thompson isnt at home playing "Cooking Mama", but then again, he'd probably start some rant on how the video game industry is "Demeaning to Women"

God help us all if he runs for office one day...

...I'll be there waiting with my crew of Mass Effect Lovers and my GTA 4 Pre-Order Slip.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:48PM (Unverified) said

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Wouldn't Bizarro Jack Thompson be an awesome guy though? He'd probably be in the game development business and let you play an advance copy of GTA4 on a nice hdtv even if you weren't 18, because he'd have the sense to know age and ability to discern fiction aren't locked together.

You know, kind of how like Bizarro is the opposite of Superman? I bet he'd be on his 9th or 10th prestige level in COD4 and probably be brigadier general in Warhawk.

Rather than sending him BACK to Bizarro world, can't we just swap him for Bizarro Thompson and co-op some Halo 3?
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:24PM KeenCommander said

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This just in, Jack Thompson is an ignorant, persistent and obnoxious. Sweet, front page news!
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:27PM (Unverified) said

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Just say no to what he says instead.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:30PM RudyHuxtable said

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Is it just me or does he have pretty eyes? Just me? Oh no, wait. I meant, "Is it just me or does he look creepy with those eyes and that cleft-double-chin?" Those big eyes are just so mesmerizing I feel like I'm being brainwashed. Very "Manos: The Hands of Fate"
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:30PM (Unverified) said

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There's been 4 SSB? Kidding!

Isn't this just a repost from last week though?

There's not currently any law that such mature content as video games and R-rated movies are illegal to sell to kids, are there? Aren't they (at least the ESRB) a voluntary self-regulated ratings board, that rates most content appropriately? If people ignore the ratings, what are developers to do?
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:32PM SheppyReturns said

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Problem with the article...

Jack Thompson has attacked other forms of media. Particularly 2 Live Crew. But he focuses on games now.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:32PM micheal82 said

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A Jackass the jerk store called and they said that they ws all out of you.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:38PM (Unverified) said

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Hey jack THompson...why dont u go FUCK YO COACH!!!hehe

didnt read the article cause it was too long but i can pretty much guess that Jacky boi doesnt like something about a certain game....
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:49PM Lone Starr said

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Long post, sry:

"While it would be an exceptional stretch to get a ruling in favor of this claim, the claim could be made that parents are so uneducated about game ratings that stores are "taking advantage of them" by not explaining the ratings in a clear fashion, or that children lack the experience to understand what the rating descriptors mean, and therefore are equally impacted."

How is this so improbable? Look at all the regulatory cases (Alcoa)/law (Sherman) trying to prohibit "unfair" competition. Now look at a portion of the link from the article:

"Seller takes advantage of 'consumers' lack of knowledge, ability, experience, or capacity to a grossly unfair degree."

Other passages below try to make this clear, but it's so vague, such a claim being successful is a definite and dangerous possibility.

"In fact, calling for government intervention is probably the best approach, as there isn't a good private action that could be applied across the board to GTA IV."

This is almost never a good thing. The cost is always passed on to consumers and taxpayers. In other words, by enacting regulation, you effectively force non-gamers to pay for gamers.

"All of this still ignores the double standard, whereby Jack hasn't complained about the ease of access for minors to similar content in other media (e.g., movies), only games."

To be fair, how can one man go after ALL this content? To show Jack's hypocrisy, it makes more sense to look at his different treatment of games with the same or similar bad content (i.e. Mass Effect vs. GTA vs. Sims II).
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 5:06PM 4ham said

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In my state(Don't know if this is nation wide) supermarkets have stickers on the checkout counter that say "If you were born after 19xx it is Illegal to buy Tobacco/Alcohol." It's clear for customers and employees to see. Maybe something like this for game stores?

Also, looking ahead to the future, it is revealed that Jack Thompson received funds for his vocal anti-videogame crusade from companies and groups related to Take-Two's board of directors. Also, pictures of him in drag.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 6:03PM Hyams said

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Does anyone else think he kind of looks like Alan Partridge in that pic?
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 6:57PM Batzarro The worlds WOrst Detect said

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Since politics hardly know about such things(or how many of us vote) we need a counterletter for everyone JT sends. Now, who wants to go home...AND WHO WANTS TO COME WIT MEE!

Copa:
Really? If everyone gets their info on gamebansters from gameblogs and sites, then how does that make them credible? Did Fox got to McCulo's blog throught here? Or is it, you know, allready in their "range"?(I.E. Conservative types read conservative sites like Townhall, and that's where they gather "info" on "eevil". Not, say, IGN, where they might actually know more about the subject) Perhaps you have not noticed, but this kinda behavior is NOT of a person who reads AND believes game sites. My point is, the kind of buzz games sites generate wouldn't make JT a houshold name in anyway that is positive to him. Methinks.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 6:57PM Batzarro The worlds WOrst Detect said

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Since politics hardly know about such things(or how many of us vote) we need a counterletter for everyone JT sends. Now, who wants to go home...AND WHO WANTS TO COME WIT MEE!

Copa:
Really? If everyone gets their info on gamebansters from gameblogs and sites, then how does that make them credible? Did Fox got to McCulo's blog throught here? Or is it, you know, allready in their "range"?(I.E. Conservative types read conservative sites like Townhall, and that's where they gather "info" on "eevil". Not, say, IGN, where they might actually know more about the subject) Perhaps you have not noticed, but this kinda behavior is NOT of a person who reads AND believes game sites. My point is, the kind of buzz games sites generate wouldn't make JT a houshold name in anyway that is positive to him. Methinks.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2008 1:42PM xGeneral DEATHxDEETH82 said

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I'll go with you to Bison's hideout, Col. Guil--er, Batzarro...

...wait a minute, that sounded pretty awful...

Bison: You have made me a happy man.
Guile: Next, I'll make you a dead one.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 8:38PM Jacksons said

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I understand where Jack's coming from on these issues, but he really needs to focus on targeting the retail side of things, not the developers/publishers. True, games like this shouldn't be sold to minors...but he always takes it one step further and targets Take 2/Rockstar. He probably loses a ton of support when he does that, and yet he does it again, and again, and again. It really doesn't make sense.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 8:39PM (Unverified) said

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If I were Jack I'd take the fight to the REAL trouble maker this year: Super Smash Bros Brawl. Plumbers, monkeys and assorted crazies all fighting to the death? Sounds like a threat to family values to me.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2008 12:26AM (Unverified) said

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This calls for the kitty picture.... *FAILED!*
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Posted: Jan 31st 2008 5:15AM ThornedVenom said

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Jack's just pissed because he didn't get Joker's role in the first place.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2008 10:59AM tadhg said

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My theory is that Jack Thompson has battered wife syndrome. No matter how many times Take-Two and the government kick his ass, he just keeps coming back for more. Show of hands. How many people think that his personal life involves a lot of leather, rubber balls, and various devices of punishment? Just a thought.
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Posted: Jan 31st 2008 9:16AM WiredKnight said

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You know what though, he's not threatening with lawsuits or trying to have the game banned, he's trying to prevent the "improper sale," keeping the game out of the hands of children. If anything, he's doing the industry a favor, hopefully making people (ahem, parents) more aware of the ESRB rating system.

I know he has a terrible reputation, but after his quite reasonable performance at that debate and his positive response to the recent Mass Effect tragedy, I don't know. Perhaps Mr. Thompson has turned over a new leaf?
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