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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 11:58AM (Unverified) said

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Ya, this is almost embrassing to say that i know where this is. Wicomico county(WC) is probably one of the most boring parts of Maryland, literly it is a gateway from the DC suburbs to the Shore/beach (Ocean City). The biggest things that WC has going for it is that it is the home of one of the largest state colleges and that it has alot of chicken farms. The fact that their are a total of "500" known gang members is just laughable as the county has the total population of about 85K people. People look to jusitfy things with what the see in the mass media we all know this... Mass Effect - "sexBox", Marylin Manson - Columbine, Ozzy Osbourne - Teen Sucide. Just points out the ignorace of some people.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:00PM (Unverified) said

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I'd be less terrified if the gangs today were like the gangs in West Side Story.

However, I do wonder if having an interactive form of media (such as video games, which do allow for greater form of interactivity) do create a lack of "...respect for life and makes violence acceptable."

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:03PM Mr B said

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Is this like some retarded "Chicken and the Egg" scenario? I'm sure gangs have been doing what they do, long before I started bust'n caps & stealing cars on my PS2.

And wtf is this about?
"In the '80s and '90s, you didn't have video games."
My good sir, if I recall, there was quite a nasty fever that spread in the early 80's.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:02PM MNeko said

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There were no video games in the 1980's or 1990's? Gee, what was I doing during those two decades?

The stupidity of video game haters has officially hit a fever pitch. I hate tacky games like Manhunt 2 as much as the next guy, but if you're going to take a stand against them, don't lump in every OTHER video game in the process.

This lynching- er, town hall- reminds me of that episode of The Simpsons where a single bear wandered into Springfield and the corrupt mayor wasted millions of dollars on a bear patrol with helicopters and constant video surveillance. It's a huge overreaction that won't protect anyone from anything... but it sure makes the knuckle-draggers feel better about themselves, doesn't it?

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:09PM seeSHARP said

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"I listen to MUSIC... how much virtuosity do you have to have to play a rap song? None, because its a very monotone beat, with no technically difficul riffs, o guitar solos..."

When did virtuousity become the only marker for great music? Your logic is wrong and people who actually listen to music and know something about the history of the art are laughing at you.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 2:30PM (Unverified) said

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@ Mr.ESC NOOOOOO!!!! You beat me to it lol. Classic

But honestly, they need to blame it on their parents/guardian, period. It all falls on the generation before us for not doing their part and *shock* raising their children.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:13PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, that's why youth violence is at a 10-year low in the U.S. at a time when video game sales are at an all-time high.

Source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/vage.htm

OH NOES! IT'S TEH VIDEO GAMES!

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:12PM Jerk Face said

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You know what causes inner city violence? Poverty. F*cking hell I am tired of hearing about this kind of worthless media scape-goating. I work for a government agency for a large municipal area and we have to deal with the effects of poor education and inescapable poverty on local citizens every day. It's a social issue, to be sure, but the source of the strife that leads to gangs and gang violence is that of the struggle to survive when being dealt a bad hand in life.

Grand Theft F*cking Auto doesn't make someone join a gang. Needing f*cking food does.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 2:00PM (Unverified) said

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I'm with you. I work in DC (live just outside of it in VA) and I can't stand the idea that we can't pass an education bill while everyone complains that gang violence, HIV/AIDS, and homicides are some of the highest in the country. Well, guess what: all of these statistics aren't just correlated with, but CAUSED BY a lack of education resources.

People think that unless they have kids ages 3-17, they don't have to care about education. People are supremely stupid. I care about education not because I have kids (shit I don't want kids for another 7 years at least), but because I don't want to get shot or have my car stolen.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 3:18PM (Unverified) said

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Amen to that. I'm tired of people pointing their fingers at the wrong part of the problem. The music is superficial. How bout instead of taking away everyone's play stations, you give them some damn help, you know, like try to lower the unemployment rate, and and stop using the same laws and standards that were meant to keep these people down in the first place.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:15PM heypaul said

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"In Grand Theft Auto, you score points by killing cops, stealing cars and beating prostitutes..."

Completely untrue. You don't score points at all!

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:20PM foxhound said

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Thanks to this Maryland County, GTA sales for part IV will increase, as is always the trend with ridiculous statements, false generalizations, and narrow-minded observations on subjects they know little about.

I wish they were more concerned with improving the schools, roads, jobs, and housing than ridiculously frivolous crap like this. But of course, mudslinging is a lot easier than solving real issues, isn't it?




And as I said earlier, it's an election year here in this country. Expect more and more ignorant blame-game(a rimshot for the pun, please)statements from goverment officials, candidates, and "baby-factory soccer moms" who suddenly have a problem with life because it doesn't profit them for once.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:22PM ummhello said

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i thought the purpose of GTA games was so we could PRETEND to be in gangs and do bad things, while letting the REAL gangs actually do those bad things??

and like UPZ said...you don't score points at all in the GTA series. these politicians/psychologists should really do proper research and PLAY the freaking games before taking a stance on so-called "experts" who ALSO have NOT played the freaking game.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:26PM SoCoolCurt said

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im in Wicomico County Maryland right now (Salisbury University to be exact) and i can say that there is a decent amount of "gang" violence here. but most of the places where this violence happens is in areas stricken by poverty, so most probably wouldnt be playing video games anyway.

and as a fan of rap music, i hate when they just give a sweeping generalization of the whole genre. not all of it is violent and materialistic, there is some very good uplifting stuff out there.

i guess you gotta blame something right? in the words of Randy Marsh "helping them isnt important right now, the important thing is figuring out whose fault this is?

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:45PM foxhound said

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LoL nice Randy Marsh quote from one of the best episodes of that show. +1
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:28PM (Unverified) said

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Nazis in video games pre-date real-life Nazis. Oh, wait...

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 1:13PM Shagittarius said

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To think we could have stopped WWII is we had just banned those games earlier.

You sexy thang.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:30PM Deck said

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*sigh* Here we go again, on another worthless roller coaster.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:33PM theCHENRY said

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HAHA! No violence in the media during the 80s and 90s! WOW! The Gulf War, Falkland Island War, the Bosnia conflict, and countless other televised wars would like a word with you!

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 12:42PM emirabal said

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You have to be kidding me, are we so ignorant to think that this is what is causing gang violence, rap music and video games are all reflective of a society we live in, removing these games and music is not going to help.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 9:02PM VoodooHack said

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Woah... put down your pitchforks. You're becoming that which you hate, Joystiq. Read the whole article. They only mention videogames as part of the problem. The blame was leveled at popular media in general.... which is fine because, to an extent, he's right.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 1:29PM leobebes said

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Seriously though how much talent does it really take to get in front of a synthesizer put and together pre recorded beats while some dude hammers out poems?

Sure it's entertaining but even Nickelback you have a singer that sings while playing a musical instrument. That takes more talent and concentration than an angry dude spouting off rhymes while having a CD playing in the background.

Now if a guy starts using a turntable or raps while playing his Casio then we'll talk.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 1:41PM (Unverified) said

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once again leo, you can make that argument against any form of music, not just rap.

I can understand one not liking rap, fine, doesnt diminish the fact that it sales and obviously makes people money.

I dont like classic rock, doesn't diminish anything those artist put out and people loved over the years, I also dont like Country music, or most "mid-american" activities, doesn't mean i decry people for liking it or nascar or what have you.

Tastes in music are highly subjective and will vary from person to person, its just like tastes in movies. I've taken tons of art/film classes over the years, yet i still like bad movies and hate certain "critically acclaimed" films. Doesnt mean i dont know anything about movies, i just like what i like.

Same with music, sometimes i like commercial crap music and sometimes i dont.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 1:58PM leobebes said

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Yeah I agree with you that not all forms of music appeal to everyone. I am pretty sure there are some rap groups out there who go on stage live and perform with real instrumentation, I think the Roots might be one of them. I just don't think on a purely artistic level Hip hop can be lumped together with Rock and Roll or any other musical genre, in terms as the same level of artistry, that has a dude in front of an audience with a microphone while his cohorts are pressing buttons that release a pre recorded sound. It's cheating, its like if Jim Morrison sang in front of an audience while the rest of the Doors pre-recored their music and played it through some speakers.

Also the things that gets me, I hate to stereotype, is that many of hip hops adherents tend to flock to the genre because they think "its hard" or that it "appeals to my level of machismo". I am pretty sure there are many cultured and intelligent hip hop fans out there but from what I have seen they are in the minority. Here is an example go to you a youtube video of The Game and then go to a YouTube video of The Beatles, or The Strokes and look at the responses to the videos and tell me which one has the most mis spellings and ignorant rants from its users.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 5:15PM (Unverified) said

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I would like to know why music has to be restricted to just performance. If the music is good, why should it matter if its some dude playing a guitar blindfolded upside down and with his feet? Making music is about more than the dexterity of your fingers.

I am beginning to make Chiptunes, which is a style of music that uses sound chips from old hardware (NES, Commidore 64's, old casios) to make music. No crazy drum solos and no wailing guitars, yet many chiptune songs are some of the most incredibly complex and layered music you will ever hear. Talent does not just involve running around with a live instrument on stage, Talent also involves writing the music in the first place. Hell Wolfgang Amedaeus Mozart didn't PLAY his most well known music. He waved his arms in front of an orchestra, who played his music. Would he have been more talented if he did a backflip off of his podium and busted out a crazy violin solo with his teeth? No, not at all.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 1:42PM (Unverified) said

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If rap causes gang violence, then why don't metal heads go around randomly beating up people besides mosh pits? Ever watch metalocalypse, that is a ton more violent than rap. The truth is mental health and the environment are mostly to blame, but the will is ultimately what triggers.

Die for Dethklok

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 2:18PM (Unverified) said

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I was born in Salisbury, lived there for about 7 years. :(

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:27PM (Unverified) said

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Times like these that i love living in Maryland. And there's more gang violence in my county(Harford County, just outside of Baltimore) than in Wicomico.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 7:48PM (Unverified) said

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This Is why I hate Living IN Maryland...And Honestly PG is Worse...

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 2:57PM (Unverified) said

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As a homeowner in Wicomico County and an avid gamer let me say this guy is constipated. Yes there is gang violence in Salisbury, but not because they play GTA. There are certain neighborhoods on either side of Salisbury, MD that were known as "bad areas" when I was house hunting. How can you blame a video game when the police allow an open air drug market? Salisbury used to be known as the home of Perdue Chicken (still is) and now because of this asshat, it will become the home of ignorant twits.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 3:50PM Batzarro The worlds WOrst Detect said

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While the rest of you kids discuss whether Volkswagens count as cars because they had different engines, I'ma stick to the topic:

Why DO people commit crimes? There's no simple answer. But It's easy to look at games for a cause, because alotta young people play games. But It's more likely this: Young people have games + at the same time they are affected by whathaveyou(poverty, bad uprising, bad education, pressure or just plain human malice)so when everyone looks, they see a correlation. Remember when that wrestler(name escapes) choked his family and put Bibles next to their corpses? We'd have a WHOLE different story if he'd put there Manhunt(or Sonic Adventure...)

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 4:03PM Halorin said

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Good hip hop music:

www.myspace.com/halorinmusic

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 5:09PM mello said

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Wow, i just read this over at www.delmarvanow.com. (I live in Ocean City, and work in Salisbury).

The most amazing thing about all of this, was that the question of why they have been CLOSING police stations in Salisbury if gang violence is really on the rise!

If anyone else from the area stumbles accross my post here I recommend this website for better, more level-headed views on Salisbury matters: http://sbynews.blogspot.com/

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 6:06PM (Unverified) said

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The government in Salisbury are a bunch of inbred asshats. I own a house in Sharptown, NW corner of Wicomico and my parents live in Salisbury. The only thing they accomplish each year is throwing a town fair. If the police budget infringes on their prescious fair, than they would by all means shutter some stations. They already rely heavily on the campus police of Salisbury Univ. to police a large section of the town.
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Posted: Jan 30th 2008 8:08PM (Unverified) said

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Hey! Nice picture for this post.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 8:10PM (Unverified) said

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Oh hell no he did not say that. It's easy for him to blame that and *try* to shut us down. But what he needs to realize is that it's the horrible school system in Maryland that's behind the gang violence.

I mean, there are elementary schoolers getting caught with drugs and guns there and they still end up coming to school the next day. I've heard stories.

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=56933

He needs to think twice before blaming rap music and GTA. Only the mentally unstable people will act on the influence they get from those things.

Posted: Jan 30th 2008 11:15PM Jonny said

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Lol.

I live in Anne Arundel County.

This is the first I've heard of any news from Wicomico County.

I do find this kind of humorous personally.

People are always looking for ways to shift blame instead of trying to actually fix the problem.

Posted: Jan 31st 2008 1:38AM (Unverified) said

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I was sure I remembered hearing about gang violence before playing GTA... my mistake.

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