Capcom addresses DMC4 install complaints

by James Ransom-Wiley { Feb 5th 2008 at 12:55PM }

Borrowing a bit of that white-haired bravado, Capcom has unapologetically responded to the so-called crybabies for whom Devil May Cry 4's 21 min, 40 sec PlayStation 3 pre-game installation (timed by CVG) stretches out like an eternity of wasted opportunity and nonfulfillment. "Wah! Have you ever played a PC game? At least we aren't making you shuffle multiple discs into a ROM drive, or continuously click 'Yes!' on a series of endless Windows dialog boxes," Capcom's Chris Kramer fires back at any griefer who will listen.

Once the DMC4 installation is complete (a one-time process – unless you delete the 5GB of data), Capcom claims players will experience "near-Super Nintendo speed load times," which CVG clarifies as "one or two seconds shy of those in the [Xbox] 360 [version of the game]." Whether you feel this perk justifies the initial wait-to-play (which is alleviated by a screenshot recap of the series) or not, Capcom doesn't much care. Pre-game installation is a reality for a growing number of PS3 games. It's not a bullet-point any publisher wants to list on a press release or print on a retail box, but it's a 'next-gen feature' we all need to get used to.

Tags: capcom, devil-may-cry-4, devilmaycry, devilmaycry4, dmc, dmc4

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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)

Huey2k2 @ Feb 5th 2008 12:59PM

Because the PS3 is obviously meant to be just like a computer.

baby sea tuna @ Feb 5th 2008 1:03PM

A "Supercomputer," if I remember correctly. I mean, if the Emotion Engine could be used to guide Sadaam's SCUD missiles, I'm sure the Cell must be about 1 step away from friggin' Skynet!

sinergy @ Feb 5th 2008 1:04PM

Eh? Aren't all game consoles computers? I mean, it DOES compute right?

Huey2k2 @ Feb 5th 2008 1:06PM

Yes technically all consoles are computers, but the whole point of game consoles is that they are simple and quick.

If I wanted to have to spend a half hour installing games before I played I could just sell all my consoles and buy a gaming PC. I want to be able to play my games the second I get them home and not have to waste HD space on them, this is why I switched to console gaming in the first place.

Vol @ Feb 5th 2008 1:14PM

U MUST FEED THE HOLY CELL PROCEZZOR LOTZ OF INFOMATION! IT CANT WAIT FO A SLOW DISC DRIIVE!! LOLZ!

jsn @ Feb 5th 2008 2:09PM

all that space and no speed to use it... blu-ray = fail, patriots style.

fwacce @ Feb 5th 2008 2:14PM

So, Huey2K2, in the Xbox thread you said that anyone who didn't have a 360 Pro was an idiot for buying the cheaper Core/Arcade and that it's perfectly reasonable for developers to force someone to spend extra money and upgrade their system just to play a game online. However, here you say that it's way too much to ask to have to install a game to play it that ends up costing nothing extra, except time.

If you're going to take the first post in 2 different threads, please try and hide your fanboy colors better.

Huey2k2 @ Feb 5th 2008 2:17PM

I didn't say that it was OK for a company to force you to upgrade, not once. But nobody is forcing you to upgrade to a Premium 360 if you don't already have one.

All I said was the only people who should be buying HDless 360's are people who have no intention of using live, and I stick by that statement.

Also going out and buying a 360 with a HDD is a different thing all together then having to spend half an hour installing files on your HD to play a console game.

Thanks for the flame attempt though, it shows that I am loved

Noshino @ Feb 5th 2008 3:36PM

"But nobody is forcing you to upgrade to a Premium 360 if you don't already have one"

Yes they are, Microsoft took out the HDD because they claimed that Live wouldn't need it.

"All I said was the only people who should be buying HDless 360's are people who have no intention of using live, and I stick by that statement."

I'm sorry, but I doubt parents who buy the console as presents for their kids are really informed as to what to get, most of the times they tend to go for the cost effective deal, which in this case would be the HDDless models, and they are not with the intentions of going online, their kids, who happened to not know that his/her parents were buying a 360, are...

"Also going out and buying a 360 with a HDD is a different thing all together then having to spend half an hour installing files on your HD to play a console game"

wait, you aren't SPENDING half and hour, you are just spending about 5 mins, which should be the amount of time that takes you to get it to install...unless you don't have anything more interesting to do with your life than play videogames....which I doubt, right?

"Thanks for the flame attempt though, it shows that I am loved"

or...that people pity you and your comments and so they attempt to give you the reasons as to why this required install isn't that big of a deal?

Huey2k2 @ Feb 5th 2008 3:42PM

"wait, you aren't SPENDING half and hour, you are just spending about 5 mins, which should be the amount of time that takes you to get it to install...unless you don't have anything more interesting to do with your life than play videogames....which I doubt, right?"

You're right, I *do* have more important things to do with my time then play video games, which is why when I have time to play video games I don't want to spend half an hour waiting to play. I want to put the game in, turn it on, and have it work.

I can't possibly see how anyone could defend the fact that you are required to spend half an hour to install a game on a CONSOLE to play it.

Noshino @ Feb 5th 2008 3:50PM

Huey2k2

(I touched a nerved in regards of the other subject huh?)

Anyway, look, I got 2 jobs, go to school, pretty much take care of my brothers, and have a relationship...so I understand what you are saying

but what I don't understand is, is your schedule SO PACKED that you can't have 3-5 mins in between activities to set up the install so you can just play it later...?

upz @ Feb 5th 2008 4:11PM

Huey, you really do have a double standard when it comes to what's "acceptably forced" on you, seemingly entirely dependant on whether it's done by Sony or Microsoft. We all have our biases; it's the ability to recognize and admit them that separates the level-headed fans from the hooting fanboys.

IGN, for example, seems to disagree with you:

"Like most multi-console games, any review would inevitably have to come down to which system is better, and for this instance, the PS3 winds up winning out just slightly...the edge comes in the fact that the PS3 installs a large amount of game files to the hard drive, dramatically reducing load times between stages and cinematics."

So I guess the question becomes, is the glass half empty or half full? It really doesn't matter. That is, unless you insist that somehow, your half-filled glass is more full than everyone else's.

Mike @ Feb 5th 2008 4:23PM

Why would anyone with an XBox Arcade package ever use XBox Live? It's not like there's an XBox Live Arcade section or anything

Trashman @ Feb 6th 2008 12:28AM

nice one jsn

FidliousWong @ Feb 5th 2008 1:00PM

I don't like the forced installs like DMC4 and VF5... but I loves them if I like the game enough to decide to improve performance like Ridge Racer 7.

baby sea tuna @ Feb 5th 2008 1:01PM

I seriously don't know which, if any, version of this game to get. Both have pros and cons, but my real question remains: Is there any way to reconfigure the buttons. I hate the default layout of the demo and think I'd probably be much better at the game if I could change a few things around. Anyone pick this up yet who could answer that for me?

baby sea tuna @ Feb 5th 2008 3:35PM

139 comments and not one person can answer my question? CRAZY!

Marty @ Feb 5th 2008 3:40PM

Rent 'em both one weekend and see which one you like better.

Andrew Yoon @ Feb 5th 2008 3:41PM

No, you cannot reconfigure the buttons.

baby sea tuna @ Feb 5th 2008 4:00PM

Thanks. I probably won't be picking this up then.

THE WICKER MAN (BWF) (GT: Dalek Prime) @ Feb 5th 2008 1:01PM

time to make with the bigger and cheaper hard drives then or i wont purchase as many games.

Phranctoast @ Feb 5th 2008 1:28PM

.....Or delete after you're finished. crazy thought.

NeverSage @ Feb 5th 2008 1:02PM

I don't get how a game like Burnout Paradise has no installs or load times, but DMC4 does. I'm no game designer, but sense... this does not make.

xFenixKnightx @ Feb 5th 2008 1:03PM

"Pre-game installation is a reality for a growing number of PS3 games."

I was wondering why anyone would need the 120gb sku...

Cyro @ Feb 5th 2008 1:08PM

Its not a growing reality. It is on PS3 but not on the other consoles.

You know the Power of The Cell makes it that much better. PS3 FTL!

FidliousWong @ Feb 5th 2008 1:59PM

Actually, three games of 100 is not a "growing reality." It's the exception, not the rule. But hey, whatever flames these console wars...

trask @ Feb 5th 2008 1:34PM

So, the 360's load times are around 5 seconds? Why can't the PS3 do that, are the Blu-ray drive read speeds that slow?

Also, the install isn't mandatory, so people need to quite the griping.

a.j. @ Feb 5th 2008 1:07PM

I can't believe people are really complaining about this. 20 minutes to save yourself time while you are actually playing the game. But if you had extremely long loading times DURING the game, you'd bitch about that too. Go for a walk.

Intentless @ Feb 5th 2008 1:12PM

The thing is it saves so little time it doesn't really appear worth it... If it took an hour to install and there wasn't a hint of loading I'd be worth it but there still is loading and only a little bit better than the 360...

Cyro @ Feb 5th 2008 1:13PM

There shouldn't be any install in console games. That's one of the whole point in playing on a console. Besides why does it run just fine in the 360 with no abysmal loading times?

So in conclusion, PS3 games will require a 20 minutes +/-, 5GB install, for them to run as smooth as the do on a 360 with zero installation ?

I see now how much more superior the PS3 is than 360.

a.j. @ Feb 5th 2008 1:31PM

the IGN review says it "cuts down dramatically on load times". even if it's by a second, it adds up over the entire time you're playing. but i'm wrong, flame on!

NATO_Duke @ Feb 5th 2008 1:29PM

Cyro - I see what you did there.

"So in conclusion, PS3 games will require a 20 minutes +/-, 5GB install, for them to run as smooth as the do on a 360 with zero installation ? "

You just blew off the fact that they claim the load time does eliminate some of the load time which is seen in the 360 version. So it really isn't running as smooth. Nice try, better I call you out then the frothed mouth fanboys get to ya first.

a.j. @ Feb 5th 2008 1:33PM

zing!

AoE @ Feb 5th 2008 1:47PM

@NATO_Duke, He was probably working from the CVG quote that's in the blog post above. You'll note that they say that even after the install it's 1 or 2 seconds SHY of the 360's load times. So really, he didn't blow off what Capcom said, he was just going by CVG's clarification.

Mr.ESC @ Feb 5th 2008 1:48PM

If you rent it for your Ps3 you are screwed lol but if you buy it is probably worth it.

Let’s say that the Ps3 version saves you 4 seconds after the 20 minutes install.
Now 20 minutes = 1200 seconds so if the PS3 saves you 4 seconds after the install it saves you time after 300 loading screens.

FidliousWong @ Feb 5th 2008 2:02PM

According to the latest EGM, load times on 360 are between 2-10 seconds and on PS3 it's 1-3 seconds... so take that info however you want.

Marty @ Feb 5th 2008 2:45PM

Hard drives faster than DVD-ROM's? You don't say!

NATO_Duke @ Feb 5th 2008 2:46PM

AoE, voting me down aside, I did read the post above and his quote is simply not correct-

"1 or 2 seconds SHY of the 360's load times" as you said is not exactly "as smooth as the do on a 360".

Thanks for the attempt at clarifying what I said, but it still holds true.

samfish @ Feb 5th 2008 3:18PM

"There shouldn't be any install in console games. That's one of the whole point in playing on a console."

Back in my day, that's what we said about CDs vs cartridges.

upz @ Feb 5th 2008 4:27PM

Ha, I remember that.

"There shouldn't be any loading times in console games! That's the whole point of playing it on a console!"

Korova @ Feb 5th 2008 7:06PM

Can you imagine how long the load times would have been w/o install!? Epic

Mike @ Feb 5th 2008 1:09PM

What PC game takes 21 minutes to install? It's never taken me that long to install anything. multiple discs? Most of the games I've gotten lately come on 1DvD disc. wtf are they smoking?

Noxat @ Feb 5th 2008 1:12PM

Installing World of Warcraft and then the Burning Crusade off of the original discs, takes ~40 minutes (maybe more) and swapping 8 discs.

Mike @ Feb 5th 2008 1:29PM

@Noxat
Maybe try installing it from the DvD instead? it's 1Disc and it is a faster option for ya (depending on your optical drive of course.)
I also Don't know how installing 1 game is the same as installing 1 game + xpack + updates.

But if DMC ever becomes an MMO (Don't EVER think about it capcom...) then I guess it would be equal. But as for action games, Unreal3 and Crysis both come out on 1 disc and only took me 5-8 minutes to install and get going. That's alot better considering that Unreal3 is 8gigs, Crysis is 6.

Mr.ESC @ Feb 5th 2008 1:32PM

Do the following:

Buy WOW online, wait for the 5 to 8 hours it takes to download the effing full game. Then install it and wait 1 to 2 hours until its finish. After that wait for the game to download all the upgrades, this should take another 1 to 3 hours.

The next morning you should be able to play World of Warcraft unless the file is corrupt, if so you have to download the file again.

Aren’t Pc’s fun?

Mike @ Feb 5th 2008 1:41PM

@Mr.ESC

/sigh

Again read what I said. Get the DVD version of the game and install that. The only thing that does take a excessive amount of time is the updates but thats namely because there is not a game out there that has more updates then WoW. I'm sure if DMC4 had as many updates as WoW... and as much free content... then it would take A LOT longer to install DMC4.

Also, atleast you HAVE the option to download WoW, does DMC4 have that option? nope. So if you lose your DMC4 disc you're screwed...

Aren't consoles fun?

Night Elve @ Feb 5th 2008 1:53PM

My Battlefield Collection Edition takes 25 minutes on my computer. (P4 3.0 GHz - 1.5 Gb RAM)

Noxat @ Feb 5th 2008 1:09PM

Installs don't bug me, I guess, it just seems kind of disappointing to have mandatory installation on a console. I wouldn't mind more games having OPTIONAL installations that speed up loading. That would have been nice on a game like Mass Effect, to speed up some of those space elevators.