Suda51 talks Xbox 360, American market

By no means I'm trying to imply that he sucks, I believe he is a hell of a developer, with great ideas, but its ironic that he is saying stuff like that after his games flopped in his homeland...and on the Wii for that matter...

I sorta do to. But I love the game so much and making the death blows is so fun with the wii mote. I mean, pulling those and the wrestling moves could be pulled off with the thumbsticks. i love No More Heroes!!!

I just want the game to not look like chicken-fried shit.

The game's overall uniqueness in all areas actually works in FAVOR of it being on the Wii.

If the game had a lot of military and/or space soldiers and was made up of a million shades of green and brown, then I'd agree that it would fare batter on the Xbox360/PS3.

lmao NICE Princess Skittles... I'll second that one! Fcukin 360 crap...

lmao NICE Princess Skittles... I'll second that one! Fcukin 360 crap...

I did not post that as an anti-360 post, but there's a certain "safe zone" that games need to fall in on that platform (and on the PS3 apparently) to meet success versus the development cost unless they're part of the download service. And the added cost of development would have NEVER been given to Grasshopper to make this game in its current form for either HD system.

Games that are consider "risky" are perfect for the Wii because they can be made cheaper and I think the core audience (not the casuals) on the system is more willing to try things like No More Heroes or Zack & Wiki. They still won't be smattering successes, but they have a better home on Nintendo's playground, in my opinion.

Yeah Skittles, the runaway success Zak & Wiki was with the open-minded Wii crowd is a testament to your words.

Or at least, I assume it will be. I'll get back to you when they finally sell a few copies.

- Scott

Capcom pushed 300k of Zack & Wiki.

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simply because they don't like the product?

It has NOTHING to do with it being american or not, look, the ipod still the best selling portable music player on their market, and as far as I know it is american...now, they have a hell lot of japanese companies that make great music players, why do you think they don't buy them as much?

If America is where the big dollars (despite the fact that the Euro is stronger...), why are japanese oriented games the best selling ones not only in Japan but around the world unlike the western oriented ones? (Halo is an exception to all rules, sigh)

If the 360 is doing bad over at Japan, it can only blame itself...don't bring up excuses such as racism and such.

oh noshino you 360 hater you, so cute.

It's not racism; the Wii is white too, and they sell as fast as they stock 'em.

Noshino a 360 hater? Hell, more power to him!

Im curious Co/noshino, why exactly do you hate a game console and what do you get from doing so because i just dont get it. Is it that you can't afford to buy them all or do you just like missing out on great games? Blind hate maybe?

@Noshino

It certainly has a lot to do with Microsoft being an american company trying to sell american games and an ammerican product to a country that is still a little bitter towards america.

Not only that but there are two other brands the Japanese are loyal to. That is of course Sony and Nintendo. Go somewhere else with all that hate. The 360 can't perform any better in the land of the rising son than it already is with the lack of help from Japanese developers and the closemindedness of Japanese consumers.

You also have to look at the heritage of both companies. Nintendo is a household name and has been a part of Japanese culture for many years, from playing cards and love hotels to video games. Then there is Sony, a company to rise from the ashes of a wartorn country after being bombed by "America," and helped the country get back on it's feet. An American company can't and won't ever be able to compete with that.

deaftly, how am I a bashing the 360 again?

I'm stating the facts from the most neutral point of view possible...

I don't HATE any console, yes, I dislike the 360 and its configuration (I can't get used to the controller despite the fact that many like it the most)...but I don't hate it...hell, it brought many features that otherwise would have been left out by Sony and Nintendo...

Also, those great games don't appeal to me, so why would I buy great games that I know I won't enjoy?

Wow deaftly, you and Fenix seems to have this inability to decifer tounge-n-cheek from a serious comment. I'm having fun on here man, sheesh.

Granted I do dislike the 360 SOLEY due to their hardware issues and crap CS (Microsoft CS in general). But the games are great!

Co when every post you make is either "FUCK M$ lololol" or "Nintendo is god" one might assume you hate something. Personally ive had no probs with my 360 or Microsoft's customer service when it came to my broken hddvd drive or activating my XP when i format. What grief did you suffer from?

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Sorry, that was me banging my head on the keyboard after reading that last group of posts.

Anticrawl... you solved the riddle yourself. The 360 is not failing in Japan due to racism but because of traditionalism. The Japanese buy what they know and are comfortable with. For gaming consoles, this is Nintendo and Sony. MS is still a relative newcomer and it takes more than two iterations to be considered mainstream. With pmp's, it's the iPod well over anything from Sony. Nike probably outsells Asics 2-1 not to mention Gibson and Fender guitars both dominate Yamaha. These are all examples of an American company and product that sells well in Japan.

lol @ baby sea tuna....

Well then deaftly, you definitly are the exception to the rule. The rule that is crappy MS customer service....you know, when some that answers DOES speak english.

I think Noshino made a very valid point with Apple's runaway success in Japan. Before the iPod, Sony held the lion's share of Japan's MP3 player market, with Samsung as the rising upstart with their Yepp line. Yet with Apple's entrance into the market, everything changed, seemingly overnight. I'm a huge critic of Apple, but even I can admit that their focus on user-centric design outpaces both Microsoft and Sony. Every country's residents have their justifiable sense of nationalism, but when your wares are good, people can and do look at the products and not the manufacturers.

Anticrawl, you make some good points, but there's far more to this than traditionalism and xenophobia.

wowowo...

So I make an educated comment based on facts against this whole "Japanese don't like the 360 JUST because it is American" and all the 360 fanboys jump at me?

deaftly

How am I hating on the 360 again? just show me ONE sentence in which I say that the 360 is a piece of garbage or something to that extent...I thought so

Also, like I stated before, why would I buy a console that has a library of games that, I'm not denying that they aren't great, aren't of my taste?


Anticrawl

Did you even bother to read my comment before bashing me? or are you just going with the flow?

"It certainly has a lot to do with Microsoft being an american company trying to sell american games and an ammerican product to a country that is still a little bitter towards america."

Ok, so why the hell would you sell american games to a non american crowd?

Goddamn, Microsoft knows well enough that the Japanese are not that much into shooters, so why would you advertise those same games to them the most?

"Not only that but there are two other brands the Japanese are loyal to. That is of course Sony and Nintendo. Go somewhere else with all that hate. The 360 can't perform any better in the land of the rising son than it already is with the lack of help from Japanese developers and the closemindedness of Japanese consumers."

HOW DO YOU WANT IT TO PERFORM BETTER, WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE GAMES THAT APPEAL TO THAT CROWD?

Its like fraeking expecting that the stadium for a football match in a southamerican country to be fulled....

Closemindness my ass, if you can't understand the japanese, then you are the closeminded


"You also have to look at the heritage of both companies. Nintendo is a household name and has been a part of Japanese culture for many years, from playing cards and love hotels to video games. Then there is Sony, a company to rise from the ashes of a wartorn country after being bombed by "America," and helped the country get back on it's feet. An American company can't and won't ever be able to compete with that."

Once again, Im going to pull the Ipod example, what is the Apple history in Japan? As far as I know, the only prior history when it came to portable music players was of the Walkman, yes, a japanese product, but guess where it is now? how do you think beat it? ARE YOU STILL FREAKING CLOSEMINDED ENOUGH TO THINK THAT ALL AMERICAN COMPANIES FAIL IN JAPAN?

You want to sell a product in Japan, THEN FRAEKING MARKET IT FOR JAPAN!


Leobebes,

Go back and cuddle your 360, don't let it read any news about Japan or it might RRoD on you

Co,

you are just a tool...lol

thanks Zsavior, Mr Khan, upz, and timeprime4, I guess there still openminded people out there...

@Noshino

Not quite sure where I "bashed" you, or what you mean by "bash" but I'm pretty sure my response was a pretty mild-mannered and level-headed response. It was not intended to hurt anyone, just to point out a few things I know to be true. I spent a good part of my life in Japan because my father was stationed there because of the military.

I would also like to know why you're so quick to call me a "fanboy" or suggest I'm attacking you. You need to calm down, maybe go meditate or masturbate, whichever does it for you best.

*** I hereby call an internet wide BAN on the term "bash." It sounds so ignorant and silly. ***

@Noshino

If you want me to attack you I could, considering how ignorant you are of Japan and what is culturally relevant. I won't humor your reply about foreign companies being successful in Japan because you clearly don't understand how the world works or the concept of a market for a device.

Anticrawl

"mild-mannered and level-headed response"

sorry, but unless you were to stay neutral instead of taking sides and also respond with factual information to back up your statements, then sorry, that was far from "mild-mannered and level-headed response"

why am I calling you a fanboy? because once again, in order to defend Microsoft you are using the typical japanese stereotype and not basing it on any factual information...

I don't know how long you lived there, I lived for quite a short period, 6 months, but there are japanese people in my family, uncles, cousins, etc, some still living over there, so I do keep up with the Japanese news. But hey, I understand your point of view man, I have lived in America for what, 6 years? I still think that they are not above many others, so if you were to live to Japan with that kind of mentality, then I wouldn't be surprised if you thought that way.

Anyway, would you kindly enlighten me as to how Microsoft is marketing their product in Japan, I just want to see what is steps you think they have taken to make their product appeal to the japanese crowd (Don't use Blue Dragon, that's the exception)

@Noshino

I'm not refering to Microsoft's marketing in Japan. Marketing in Japan (IN GENERAL) is drasticly different than what we are use to in the states. How products are marketed, how the culture views certain products, and simply their tastes are different. In any case I'm no fanboy, and I never "bashed" you, though you do protray a blind hate of sorts for Microsoft. I own all 3 consoles and both handhelds in their phat and slim form. I enjoy all their individual qualities as well.

*** I hereby call an internet wide BAN on the term "bash." It sounds ignorant and silly. ***

@Noshino

Not only that but the MARKET for SPECIFIC DEVICES is DIFFERENT in DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. This is an obviously correct statement, cultures are different from place to place and the people are as well. Just because something works somewhere doesn't mean it will work just as well elsewhere. You can't generalize an entire country and their purchases with a single statement. The video game and entertainment industry is just different there, I don't see how you can't understand that.

Can i stop playing this violin? Please?

It is a different story when there isn't a competant Japanese competetor. Go enjoy your ignorant bliss elsewhere.

Agree, Zsavior. I don't mind the attitude (it has supporting arguments of merit) so much as the fact that this whole "Its just the Japanese being close-minded GRR!!!" thing comes up every fucking time that Japan and 360 come together in the same post

So you're leaving because someones opinion differs from yours, grow thicker skin...

Guys what more evidence do you need? Go on any internet message board that caters to the Japanese or Japanese culture lovers and read the posts they have for the Xbox 360. There is more blind hate for that system on those message boards than a White Supremacist Group ranting about Obama. Check out Kotaku everytime a 360 article is posted, its like 70% hate for the 360 and 30% of the 360 owners deflecting obnoxious and irrational posts. It's pathetic really, I think the Japanese hold gaming to a higher standard than an MP3 player or jeans. I think they are extremely ethnocentric when it comes to gaming and that is one of the contributing factors that the 360 is reviled so much among the Japanese community.

From 2005-2007 the 360 has given me the two best gaming years of my life, and I have been playing since the Atari the blind hate for it is truly a wonder to behold.

Also...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias

I think he was just using the wrong term because I find it hard to believe a melting pot of a country can be "racist."

wait until (or if) Obama wins the nomination. Then you'll see...

That is a silly analogy. Final Fantasy is as Japanese a game can get yet you will find a significant gaming community here in the states of at least a million users falling all over themselves over anything Square Enix.

I give credit to our company for being so open minded. Hell we have the possibility of getting a black president, fat chance you will ever see that possibility in the Land of the Rising Sun in the next 100 years.

"Credit to our county"

He he I am at work all I am thinking is company, company, company...

Leobebes, Final Fantasy is an old game that is from the late 80s', so one has to expect a giant fanbase in the US. Final Fantasy over here can be compared to Star Wars in Japan, which is also as huge over at the land of rising sun. Other than Halo 3, the rest of the exclusives for the Xbox360 are new IPs and haven't found much fanbase in other countries simply because they are new to them, yet alone new to us.

Also, where did all politics comes from? I mean, Japan is different than the U.S. whereas anticrawl mentioned eariler, the United States is a melting pot of sorts while Japan was in isolation in the past. Because of that, there aren't many non japanese people in Japan much like how there isn't a lot of non Indians in India.
Regardless of whether or not there are different races in a country, doesn't mean that country is open minded. There is big racial tension south Africa despite that there are white ppl over there.

Also, if you don't know, Japan warships Bob Sapps(a black mixed martial artist) as a god over there.

@doom saber

I am not saying Japan is overtly ethnocentric about everything they hold in high regard in their culture but when it comes to gaming and a few other aspects of their culture that they hold dear, it might be hard for outsiders to break through. I think gaming is that one aspect of their culture which is not ready to adopt western gaming success despite western developers putting arguably the world's best titles the past few years.