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Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:39PM (Unverified) said

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I've also heard that in the game of Risk, whoever owns Madagascar at the end of the game is the winner.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2008 2:57PM OMGITSJAD said

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@mike shea
So your're saying that by playing Donkey Kong...some day I might GAME OVER???
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Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:07PM (Unverified) said

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All gamers know this is a complete and utter load of crap. However for those that dont know, the most comprehensive study done on this, which serves as the underlying basis for all those attempted gaming laws in recent years and was the sole reason for the unconstitutional telecom act of 96' passing (which was the pet project of hillary 'the scum bag' clinton) has been completely discredited and the person who conducted the study has denounced the supposed link between agression and media altogether.

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:08PM desi k said

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I'm sorry to say that I am from Omaha. I saw a preview for this story and knew right away that I was not going to like the overall story and decided not to watch it. Violence is a hot spot for us due to the mall shooting a couple of months ago by a troubled teen (even though there was no talk of him playing games (even though JT said he played them)).
Had they advertised this story previously looking for people to state that it doesn't have an effect there would have been hundreds of people from the area willing to stand on the other side of the fence on this issue.
Again, sorry to say I am from Omaha.

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 6:15PM (Unverified) said

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I'm still keeping with my thoughts that until Jack Thompson killss someone nothing is proven. You have to play these games to do the study and therefore if this was true then the people involved should have all at least killed one person. Since people like Jack Thompson havn't killed anyone this makes this report mean nothing.

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:11PM moominsean said

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watching tv and movies desensitizes us, too. heck, i work in a hospital and that has desensitized the hell out of me. death barely phases me at this point.

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:15PM (Unverified) said

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Thats scary...
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Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:30PM (Unverified) said

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I thought it was funny when I saw a comedy skit by (I believe) Robin Williams where in one part he said something like "I don't really know why kids being desensitized is a bad thing. If that kid grows up to be a doctor, I don't want him throwing up during surgery."

That pretty much sums up my opinions about the matter.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:11PM Vordus said

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Oh no, the creation of Adrenaline! We're doomed, doomed I tell you, doomed!

Posted: Feb 9th 2008 12:15AM ThornedVenom said

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What I'd really want to know is if gaming tends to make us more violent than some sports do.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:11PM (Unverified) said

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Hmmm......I suppose Jack Thompson was right. I'm going to go take a good, long look at myself tonight and I could possibly sell all my games.

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:14PM (Unverified) said

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I call this report Bullshit, but I still don't agree on little kids playing GTA. Kids, might mis-understand whats going on and would think that violence is ok in some degree. And by kids I mean 8-12 years of age. I think a 14 year old kid should know better, and if they don't and act stupid,then they should get a good old beating.

Posted: Feb 9th 2008 12:32PM Korova Pamplona said

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I agree. For a person with a weak moral compass (such as little kids or the socially ostracized) violent video games may be false moral modeling. But any reasonably socialized human being will observe and experience so many behavioral models contradicting video game violence that they will finally concluded that violence is only ok in video games. Video games will then be outlets for frustration, making the gamers actually less violent in society.

So the study's popular message should not be that games cultivate killers, but that violent games are appropriate for well socialized individuals. I.e. use as directed, under the direction of your socializing unit (parent or guardian)
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Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:17PM HighFiveJesus said

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Video games develop hand eye coordination and make kids into better human beings.

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:21PM Batzarro The worlds WOrst Detect said

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I just saw Naomi Campbell dancing with lizards: THAT make me wanna kill!

Seriously, I'd love to have more info on those studies...especially, what was the violent game, and what was the non violent(they even played that part down, kinda to suggest there couldn't be a nonviolent videogame!)

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:26PM Jakey777 said

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hmmm...Hostel and Saw anyone? Even Manhunt seems harmless compared to these bastards.

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:36PM (Unverified) said

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Okay, I haven't seen any of the Hostel movies or Saw sequels, but it really irritates me when people say things like this about Saw. Have you even seen the movie? 80% of it is two guys talking. No murders or gore going on, just two guys talking.

Between fantastic acting and well-written dialog, Saw was fine art in the realm of horror films. Granted that there was some hard-to-watch scenes, but it was fitting in the context of the story and really represented a small percentage of the film.

It's not much different than calling Mass Effect a sex game.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2008 6:35PM Jakey777 said

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I generally know what every single movie is about. And while Saw 1 was indeed about 2 guys talking through the whole movie. Still trust me it gets worse by Saw III. I was pretty much disgusted with the Skull Operation Scene. And don't get me started on Hostel. It's pretty much Manhunt * 25 and the only difference is that Manhunt did seem to have some excuse for violence.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:26PM (Unverified) said

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[Crysis voice]

Maximum Normalization

[/Crysis voice]

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 5:38PM Liamness said

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"Science"

Posted: Feb 9th 2008 12:13PM Korova Pamplona said

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Winner of the shortest poignant comment award! [+]
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Posted: Feb 8th 2008 6:01PM (Unverified) said

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Everyone knows that video games are the reason bad things happen to good people.

Also, blame the global warming on VG's.

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 6:04PM (Unverified) said

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After swapping TV and game in this article and editting out the boring bits, I came up with this neat article that Joystiq should run - because its about as factually correct as the original report:

Time for another, perhaps sensationalized violent TV report from a local game website. The internet’s "Joystiq" ran a story (which currently appears on the front page of my news feeds) on how TVs "normalize" killing, according to doctors.

After citing three university studies “that … conclude” TVs can desensitize children to violence, the report then inserts the following quote from Snyder: "The more normal it is, the more likely it is they're going to activate or engage in those behaviors when provoked or even unprovoked."

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 6:10PM (Unverified) said

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Sounds look good old yellow journalism to me. The local news is a wonderful source of ambulance-chasing crime stories, sensationalist human interest stories, and corporate and political paid programming. We seem to get a story like this every few weeks. At least for a change it has nothing to do with Jack Thompson.

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 6:16PM (Unverified) said

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Reading this report makes me feel that killing is normal. Unfortunately, I have no games that involve murdering news reporters and scientists in the middle of backwards studies that only show false information.

I wonder if these people have ever played a video game? Gen Y grew up on this shit, so the baby boomers that run the country have not even a tiny iota of perspective here.

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 6:16PM (Unverified) said

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Normalize killing? Not even soldiers who actually kill people in wars get normalized to killing most of the time. This is a load of BS

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 6:40PM (Unverified) said

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I am still trying to figure out what violent video game the Germans were playing that turned them into crazy Nazis. That must be one hell of a game...

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 6:32PM (Unverified) said

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So there's solid evidence but again "gaming is king and untouchable". I think the same can be said for OTT violent films and TV shows. But that's just me.

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 6:42PM blash said

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Guess what? I just played Counter-Strike for 3 hours! Now that I got a gun in my hand and my dick's up, I'm gonna go to school and murder everyone! Then I'm going to get into a high-speed car chase, drive to the mall, and blow the mall up!

TERRORISTS WIN!

And you'll all read about it in the paper tomorrow! In the meantime, the brainiac nerd next door finished building his robot, and it's going to take over the world!

Oh oh oh and finally I'm going to drive to the TV studio and murder these dirtbags to prove them liars.

[/sarcasm][/rant]

Posted: Feb 9th 2008 8:27AM (Unverified) said

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The really pathetic thing is that some dipshit will probably come along, read your post, and try to report you as if you were actually serious about that.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2008 6:51PM LaughingTarget said

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We could use a little desensitizing as a society. We're to sensitized, those who can face the horrors of reality can function better. I'd rather have a gamer as an EMT than someone who thinks blood is evil. Let them game on.

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 7:19PM (Unverified) said

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If you ask me, it's Television and Movies more than video games.

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 7:43PM (Unverified) said

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I'm no rocket surgeon, but I wouldn't doubt that there's similar brain activity when doing any action that has an "action/reward" relationship.

Eating a sandwhich?
Watching porn?
Watching a sandwhich while eating porn?

Also, off topic, why all the hate against Fernando? Some of you guys are getting way too reactionary. Oh crap, must be all that normalized violence. Guess it is on topic.

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 8:23PM Jacksons said

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I love when they call such rubbish a "study." Are violent books included too? I mean, you actually have to use your own imagination to picture violence in books, so that would be worse, correct?

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 10:47PM Geist said

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Solution: Burn all the books! It's the only way to protect the children.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2008 9:45PM (Unverified) said

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this "study" kind of annoys me; i play Counter-Strike for at least 1-4hours a day, and i'm really non-violent, but when i'm (attempting to) playing Mario Strikers Charged online, after about 2 matches i'm ready to throw my remote at the screen. I'm pretty sure i get more violent playing (somewhat) non-violent games than the ones rated T or higher by ESRB

Posted: Feb 8th 2008 10:48PM Geist said

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I got pretty damn violent after playing COD4 on Veteran, even moreso after playing Puzzle Quest against that damn cheating computer.
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Posted: Feb 8th 2008 11:52PM (Unverified) said

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Violent video games desensitize killing... and you know what I say... GOOD. I'd rather be desensitized, maybe I can put it to good use and go vigilante in my neighborhood. I wouldn't mind bashing in a few skulls of gang-members for spraying gang-signs on the houses in my neighborhood. Or how about feeding them a steel bridge support for selling crack to the kids on the street.

There is nothing wrong with violence when it is applied for the right causes, it can be a good educator. At the very least, it'll deter criminals, epically if everybody was leaving their homes to kneecap the next dip-shit that tried to steal car in my neighborhood.

Posted: Feb 9th 2008 12:19AM ThornedVenom said

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Emotional Arousal due to Mass Effect?


In all seriousness though, isn't normalizing violence somehow PART of growing up? I may sound crazy but think about it: if we didn't normalize violence to a certain extent, then we'd be offended by absolutely EVERYTHING.



"Oh my god there's blood! I'm going to pass out instead of saving him!"
"GASP! There's a homeless guy! Instead of doing something meaningful to help the community, I'm going to walk away!"
"Turn off that light bulb! The glare offends me!"




It helps us deal with some of the realities of this world: of course there are limits we'd rather not cross, like rape and murder, but is the report telling us that videogames is anymore "dangerous" than any other media or social activity?

Posted: Feb 9th 2008 4:59AM (Unverified) said

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That's bullshit. That's like saying if I see a low speed car chase, I would do it too. Or if I saw a video of self-mutilation, that I would do it too? No. These people need to STFU.

And why haven't they paid attention to you know, OTHER forms of media? There's way more violence in television, movies, and just in general living situations. I'm tired of hearing this, and I would appreciate it if Joystiq ignored it. You KNOW the research was two years old.

Posted: Feb 9th 2008 5:56AM cobyrne said

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This proves games desensitize people to killing in games. There's nothing to suggest it's generalisable to the real world.

Posted: Feb 9th 2008 7:44AM (Unverified) said

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Columbine is the perfect examples for the violent video games effects.

http://www.i-guide.ro

Posted: Feb 9th 2008 9:52AM (Unverified) said

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I'm afraid I have to disagree. It's a perfect example of the "holy crap are you ever emotionally unbalanced" effect. Those kids weren't into killing because of video games. They were into video games because of killing.

There are so-called prime examples for every medium that go so far to the extreme that there's no way they could represent the average person, let alone their reaction to the same media.

Just because Charles Manson used the Beatles as a reason to kill doesn't mean their albums should be banned. People are screwed up. That's a fact of life. It hardly matters that you listen to Helter Skelter or you play Doom. And as long as people are screwed up, they're going to do screwed up things.
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Posted: Feb 9th 2008 8:03AM (Unverified) said

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Unless the study verified that the brain normalized killing during both virtual killing AND during real killing (Unlikely. Since when do studies have people actually kill other people?), then I'm calling "bullshit".

Point is, if the study actually did verify anything, it's that killing fictitious pixels on a screen is normalized, nothing more.

Posted: Feb 9th 2008 10:51AM (Unverified) said

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I'm currently reading The Bourne Identity. This book normalizes violence in my brain. So, first, don't chew them out for saying true things. Second, they should stop with the bashing of something no different from what they accept.

Posted: Feb 9th 2008 11:30PM ThornedVenom said

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As an art form, if a videogame fails to create an emotional impact, then it's not worthy of art.

But of course, the objective of any and all games is to be fun, which itself is an "emotional arousal".

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