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Posted: Feb 18th 2008 8:50AM (Unverified) said

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As per usual, we all need to find someone or something else to blame.

I'm sure the dude being on psycho-meds and then cutting them off had NOTHING to do with this. I'm sure the fact that he had mental problems was not the problem. Clearly, video games did this. Clearly.

What's wrong with you people. Why can't you see this it's so obvious!1!!5

(my eyes are rolling out of my f*cking head right now)

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 8:52AM Obienator said

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Maybe selling guns to mentally unstable individuals such as Cho and Kazmierczak is the REAL issue.
Let's make a simple new rule: if you take psychological medication...YOU CAN'T OWN A GODDAMN GUN.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 9:52AM (Unverified) said

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This is a whoooooooooole nother can of worms here, and I won't stray too far off topic, but I have to agree. I'm an advocate of the right to bare arms, but I do feel there needs to be line drawn somewhere. If you have serious mental problems, or if you're on some kind of psychotics medication, that should be a BIG RED FLAG that that person probably shouldn't be able to just scoop up a gun on a Saturday afternoon as though he's out for a slurpie.

Anyway, I'm done.
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Posted: Feb 18th 2008 11:33AM Duke said

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Funny thing is that the forms ask you if you have any psych disorders when you go to buy a gun.

I am sure people are real honest when they answer that. /sarcasm
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Posted: Feb 18th 2008 10:01AM Batzarro The worlds WOrst Detect said

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I blame human nature. Trying to suggest people who see no violent acts are unable to perform them is unrealistic. Are we not the same species was watching tigers eat people 2000+ years ago? I wonder if people in Rome colyseums(misspell)blamed the violence they were seeing for the violence in real life? Also...insanity. Insanity + guns = dead people. Why can't people do the math?

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 10:20AM Crono141 said

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Biblically, the first murder occurred without any previously viewed act of violence (and was committed by a farmer on a shepherd).

Tilling soil makes people killers!
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Posted: Feb 18th 2008 12:45PM hvnlysoldr said

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In Cain-Abel splits Cain is not necessarily evil nor Abel necessarily good. Cain was angry God couldn't accept his offering. Abel was arrogant and showing off to Cain that his offering was accepted. Cain wasn't evil; he still wanted to offer and relate to God. Abel boasted to Cain and compared them. Eve who had been in a position of resisting evil and multiplying it, was uniquely qualified to calm Cain's temper and accept restoration through Abel. If Cain united with Abel, the human lineage of the dark nature of Satan through the Spiritual and Physical sexual Falls and murder would have been restored. Human nature wouldn't be tainted. However Eve was wallowing and spacing out. Abel was being goody-two-shoes show-off. Cain was too proud.
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Posted: Feb 18th 2008 10:10AM (Unverified) said

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Remember, Illinois was one of those states where they tried to pass one of those "illegal to sell adult video games to children" bills, only to have it quickly struck down as unconstitutional. I wonder if this will bring it back up?

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 10:46AM Duke said

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The issue of its constitutionality hasn't changed - and the IL Court has already struck it down. I wouldn't expect it to go anywhere now.
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Posted: Feb 18th 2008 10:10AM (Unverified) said

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Do people STILL play CS? Not trying to offend here, but honestly. Who still gets excited about that game?

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 10:19AM Rax Dakkar said

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If only Rupert Murdoch would buy a video game company, then he wouldn't let his news companies attack them...

Condolences to the friends and the famalies of those lost someone.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 10:32AM (Unverified) said

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Maybe, and this is just a guess, but I think that selling guns to some crazy-a$$ psyco, who happens to play video games, might not, and this is just speculation, be very smart to do...

possibly.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 10:51AM Batzarro The worlds WOrst Detect said

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So, in Jack Thompson's logic any crime can be blamed on games. After all, if having played (POSSIBLY AND UNPROVEDLY) Doom years ago makes you a killer, then even if a 90 year old janitor gets of his meds and kills people he "might have played those desensitizing murder simulators" when they were first invented.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 11:11AM OMGOMG said

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I think the biggest contributing factor was that the shooter stopping taking his anti-depression medication 3 weeks ago. The guy sounded like a normal and happy dude. Hearing JT on FOX News saying "I wish I weren't here" almost made me puke. You're on TV for one reason: to get your name in the press. Surprisingly, the top notch journalists at FOX News didn't ask him a question regarding his potential loss of practicing law in Florida. Imagine that.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 11:39AM mackswift said

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Actually, taking the meds themselves go be partly to blame. We live in a heavily medicated society, and anyone who's been on anti-depressive medication (or any mood altering or controlling med) can attest to this; it does make you feel like a zombie.

It's not you controlling your emotions and feelings and your reactions to them; it's the medications controlling you. Would you want somebody or something controlling you 24/7? Forcing you how to react to certain actions and feelings and situations?

Yes, you are right, pulling himself off the meds could have caused this; but should he have been on the meds in the first place (or whatever combination of meds he was on?) As doctors have said before; they still don't fully understand the complex chemical reactions of the human brain, and how combinations of medications completely interact with those chemicals.

While everyone one is looking and digging and fishing for immediate cause and effect answers to this tragedy; let's look further back. Should he have been on the meds in the first place? What was he on? What combination of meds? What time(s) of days did he take the meds and how often were they changed and mixed up? Was he on them so long that he was addicted to them to the point that his brain couldn't function without them properly?
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Posted: Feb 18th 2008 2:36PM OMGOMG said

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I take Prozac as well as Adderall. Both kind I take are the XR, or extended release format. This way, the medication isn't so strong, but still effective and long lasting. Plus, it's nice only taking 2 pills a week.

Regarding the zombie-like feelings, I say talk to a doctor. If the medication isn't making you feel like you, try and find another one that will work more. There's no excuse to stop taking medication to help you, in my opinion.
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Posted: Feb 18th 2008 11:27AM mackswift said

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Sigh, I am, for one, sick of this 'Games did it' blame game.

First and foremost, let's start with this line. Yes, you can blame games, TV, books, movies, and all sort of mass media, if and only if, one or 2 of these are the sole influence in your life. Given how many parents treat their kids as if they were some sort of part time side job, it's not far off the mark. Most parents do not properly raise or interact with their child; they tend to rely on the elctronic babysitter instead of sitting down with their kids and do their homework with them, play that video game with them, read that book with them, or watch that movie with them.

Most parents go off and do their own thing while their kids sit in front of a TV or monitor.

Sure, I played Nintendo and Super Nintendo growning up. Either by myself, or with my dad. He played a few of the games with me. I also read alot of books. I watched some TV (sniff, I miss after Animaniacs amd Pinky and the Brain).

Again, because one form of media dominates a child's (and the subsequently an adult's life), and their is no or very little, or improper social and/or parental interactions; yeah, there might be problems.

To put it simply, if video games are the sole social, parental, and environmental influence and interactions in one's life; there's gonna be something amiss upstairs. But is it fair to blame electronic media? Or do we have to look deeper at society? At parents? We have to look deeper; at the root of the problem. We all have secrets, and skeletons, and defining moments in our lives that define us that we all keep to ourselves. Obviously there was something(s) in this young man's life that caused him to 'snap' and do this. He needed someone to talk to; a shoulder to cry on; someone to lean on. Unfortunately, we live in a society where many of us just don't have someone like this in our lives.

But too many times, we either choose or have no choice but to turn to video games, to TV, to movies; etc. How many kids and then young adults are so detached from their parents that they don't even talk to them? Because, again, many parents don't raise and interact with their children. And what happens when those children have children? The cycle feeds and perpetuates itself.

Blaming video games for acts of violence of this magnitude is just plan unadulterated sloppy laziness. The problem lies in bits and pieces here and there. Parents, society, and people and all our interations with one another.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 11:28AM vidguy said

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IF video games, violent media, or anything similar were to blame, he would have shot up UofI. Instead, he drove nearly 200 miles across the state to kill at the college he just recently left. It's fairly obvious that this was premeditated and that it was playing out some revenge scheme or something.

I can't believe people trivialize school shootings with these discussions.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 11:58AM (Unverified) said

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With the way these kinds of things keep happening over and over again, I'm beginning to wonder whether or not there's really any way to stop the insanity. You can argue "gun control" or whatever, but seriously, would any of that governmental regulation really put a damper on this kind of thing? I really don't think so. Simply put, "Where there's a will, there's a way." If someone wants to shoot up a school and lose their own life in the process, there's little standing in their way to keep them from doing it. You can put up metal detectors, anti-gun laws, anti-medication laws, give EVERYONE guns, etc., and these things will still wind up happening. Our society likes to put everything in neat little boxes, so of course, we have to find SOMETHING to blame this incident on. It's too much to ask of ourselves to blame this on the shooter's mental instability. Why? Because it doesn't get to the so-called "root" of the problem. So, we'll keep on digging and digging until we finally find the right scapegoat to blame this on, only to have another school shooting stir us from our collective dreamworld.

Let's face it. If there's a kid out there willing to kill others while losing his own life in the process, there's no amount of government regulation that'll do anything to stop them. Plain and simple. The only thing we can do when faced with that situation is practice kissing our own ass goodbye. Sad thought, but, that's the real deal.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 12:07PM Crono141 said

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This whole search for a cause or trigger metality stems from the desire to make the perpetrator a victim. "He did it because of ____, poor guy"

Well he's not a victim. He was a killer, and his suicide saved the courts hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees and upkeep for trial and punishment.

It may seem callous. The man was a human being. He had a family, maybe a girlfriend or a wife. But that does not diminish the fact that he became a monster, and because of that, the world is better off without him.

Please society, stop trying to turn every criminal into a victim. Sometimes, people are just crazy.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 12:22PM (Unverified) said

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How is what this guy did worse than the holocaust? What video games did Hitler play? What video games did Jim Jones play? Until video games have the same body count as government and religion people should relax.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 1:06PM Crono141 said

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Godwin's Law Confirmed!!

Not that I disagree.
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Posted: Feb 18th 2008 12:39PM SuicideCommando said

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Well, that's always comforting. I used to go to NIU. I was there for for about two and a half years and had at least one class a semester in the building the shootings happened in.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 1:56PM (Unverified) said

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I'm a reporter for the Northern Star, the student newspaper at NIU, and I was at the scene of the shooting three minutes after it happened. Our staff broke the majority of the news you saw on CNN and every other news outlet. I saw five of the people who were shot.

I was also around with the stringer broke the news about the shooter being a frequent counter-strike player. I brought the reporter up to speed on the HL/CS series and informed him that it sold over 15 million copies and ONE person who did attacked an auditorium of people.

I feel terrible that the mainstream news is omitting that information and just points the blame on video games. Video games had nothing to do with this.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 2:14PM (Unverified) said

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Don't blame video games, blame online gun dealers and our politicians who don't have the balls to take on death-promoting organizations like the NRA, that prevent any kind of legislation to lock down the out-of-control sales of guns in our country. Why is it that death via guns is cheap and easy, while smokescreen targets of outrage like marijuana is the embodiment of evil? Until people get serious and hold politicians responsible for making access to guns so easy, nothing will be accomplished, and thousands more will lose their lives. Also, gun dealers need to be targeted and harrassed.

Stop guns. Video games don't kill people, guns do.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 2:14PM (Unverified) said

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So Andrew Kehoe and Walt Whitman played video games too?

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 2:16PM (Unverified) said

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God dammit, I meant Charles Whitman....
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Posted: Feb 18th 2008 5:29PM busydoinnothin said

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Completely off topic, but your avatar is one of the greatest I've ever seen on the internets. "Nuts and Gum: Together at last!" is one of my favorite Simpsons moments of all time. I actually wrote a jingle for it, but never did anything with it.
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Posted: Feb 18th 2008 2:53PM (Unverified) said

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Was the guy REALLY mentally challenged? He wrote award winning papers for crying out loud.

The only coincidence was that this tragedy happened on Valentine's Day.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 2:59PM (Unverified) said

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$50 next week they link a rape to Mass Effect.

Posted: Feb 18th 2008 5:27PM busydoinnothin said

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To all the scapegoaters who wish to blame video games for school shootings, all I have to say is this: The number one, most accurate and realistic first person shooter which trains you on how to fire a real gun is America's Army, which is developed and offered free by the United States Army.

Posted: Feb 19th 2008 1:29PM hvnlysoldr said

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They tell you point blank it's a war simulator. They constantly drill you in the rules of combat. It's not a murder simulator. Besides where's the money in barking about the game?
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