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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 3:30PM (Unverified) said

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there's some truthiness to this.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 3:32PM (Unverified) said

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"If you want people to follow your story it's gotta be really f***ing stupid."

Somehow I think this goes against his background slide in the photo saying 'RESPECT YOUR AUDIENCE'.

Still, I agree with the whole 'don't try and explain every single detail in the games' thing, but... that last phrase seemed a little contradictory!
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 3:42PM (Unverified) said

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I imagine Bioware begs to differ. Mass Effect is about the most in depth story you can tell. It sounds like a Levine is oversimplifying the issue, a good story can be done in long or short form its all about the quality of it.
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Posted: Feb 23rd 2008 11:54PM (Unverified) said

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You're right, but Mass Effect and Bioshock are two very different game types. I believe it depends on the type of game you're making as well as what you're attempting to do with your story.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 3:46PM The Sailerman said

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Sounds like he said exactly the same things he said when he was here at NYU a few weeks ago.


From what I understood from his talk was that respecting your audience and making the story "really f***ing stupid" do go hand in hand.

Imagine how confusing BioShock's plot would have been if they decided to stick with the whole "70 years, 3 wars." There would be so much history that would need to be covered in a finite amount of time - the huge amounts of important information would have likely confused many people and made them hate the story, and therefore the game itself.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 4:23PM (Unverified) said

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Why is it that the biggest videogaming gets an industry, the more gaming clings to the mindset of Schwarzengger flicks? Outside of, uh, BIOSHOCK and Half-Life, compare storytelling to film :(
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 4:34PM (Unverified) said

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I've played maybe 25% of Bioshock, and I feel very immersed in the story, plot and themes.

I've also completed all 3 Halos, but could not tell you what it was about. Unless you consider "saving humanity from evil aliens" to be a sufficient summary.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 9:44PM Arteen said

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Don't worry. The story stopped making sense after Halo 1.
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Posted: Feb 28th 2008 7:33AM (Unverified) said

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Well its not that the story stopped making sense, simply that you could no longer glean the story from the games themselves.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 4:48PM Funklord76 said

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i love how bioshock is suddenly the standard for video game storytelling when all it does is just reference old stories and art that came before it. the narrative of bioshock does nothing new, yet Levine and Co are heralded as in someway redefining storytelling for games. And now here he is telling how its best to keep it simple blah blah...
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 10:24PM (Unverified) said

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It doesn't have to do anything *new* to do it *well*. The whole point of the presentation was to say that atmosphere is the most important method of telling a story, and not forcing you to read a novel before playing the game, like in Mass Effect, or while playing the game, like in Lost Odyssey.

(both games I love by the way)
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Posted: Feb 28th 2008 10:18AM (Unverified) said

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@ Mark
Feb 20th 2008
4:48PM

I know you posted this comment a long time ago, and no one will read this, except you, so Ill keep it short.

You're Stupid.

"...bioshock is suddenly the standard for video game storytelling when all it does is just reference old stories and art that came before it. the narrative of bioshock does nothing new..."

Oh Yeah, because Underwater "Utopia" Gone Wrong with genetic experiments and the harvesting of some bizarre substance from mutated bodies is a story thats just been done to fucking death.

God, do any of you read what you type before you click "Add your Comments"?
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 5:21PM gLitterbug said

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I figure that he means not to try to come up with the most complex story you can imagine and painstakingly explain that to the player by lots of dialogues, cutscenes and the like, but use the strengths of the medium and let him experience things on his own, however deep or shallow he wants.

Also I don't think he insulted his audience. You don't have to be a moron with attention deficit to not want to read a ton of essays on a fictional history without having a skip button. A few people do and you can put it into your game, but don't force it on every player if that one could get more out of the game for himself by playing it another way.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 6:06PM (Unverified) said

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Good god I hope they don't listen to him. The story is the most important part of a game... although I will readily admit that bad controls or graphics will take you out of that story faster than anything.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2008 12:40AM (Unverified) said

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He wasn't saying that story is not important. He was saying that how you tell the story should take into account what your medium is good at (I was at the talk). Games are good at interaction, the story should emerge from the gameplay. Games aren't movies, the story doesn't need to be pushed at your through cutscenes and it doesn't need to be pushed at you through pages of text.
I wrote up a post with a bit more detail on my site:
http://tara.teich.net/archives/gdc-storytelling-in-bioshock/
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Posted: Feb 21st 2008 12:00PM (Unverified) said

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Pfft, story is hands-down the least important part of a game. See Super Mario Bros, Arkanoid/Breakout, Geometry Wars, Everyday Shooter, RType, any fighting game, any Sim* game, any racing game, any puzzle game, etc.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2008 2:06AM ThornedVenom said

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As crazy as his speech seemed (after all, he is the creator of freakin BIOSHOCK), it REALLY makes sense to me.

Games are meant to be played instead of watched. What I mean by that, it's that the player has to live the storyline on his own as well.



It's not by scripting whatever the character's going to do in the plot, with this event or that, that the game is going to be anymore interesting. The player has to mentally invest within that new space of freedom to really experience whatever was thrown in his face.

The player ends up pushing himself through the game, instead of being pulled.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2008 10:25PM (Unverified) said

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Makes sense to me: playing a game should not feel like when your 12 year old newphew tries to explain Pokemon.

As an art form, video games should resemble films, not novels. You have some backstory, very few characters, one central plot, thematic elements. Films are simple.

Bioshock followed this model. Ryan creates underground world, something bad happened, and you're smack in the middle of the result. As the plot goes on, you learn more about what happened. Simple, but effective.

Often, designers will want to recreate something vastly complex, like Tolkien's Middle Earth, with a long history and complex interactions. All this does is bore and confuse your audience, no matter how smart they are...
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