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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 12:47PM (Unverified) said

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I would find myself on the rather adorably short leash of technophilia if the only thing that was keeping me on the fence about the PS3 was this silly format war.

All I want to see are some must-have exclusive games, friend. And I'm absolutely begging you to finally blow me away this time (hoping at you, MSG4).

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 12:49PM FredFredrickson said

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I'm sure that with the success of Blue-Ray, Sony will push lots and lots of PS3's this year. But if game attach rates continue as they are going, developers are still going to be shy about going PS3 exclusive, even if the install base is high.

The fact of the matter is, if people aren't buying games for it, developers aren't going to make games for it. Selling your console as a movie player / complete entertainment center is a double-edged sword.

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 6:25PM (Unverified) said

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Marty really must be the Secretary of Propoganda for the Red Ring Militia. In every PS3 thread you recycle the same old speculative nonsense with absolutely no real evidence to back it up. It's really time for you to get off sony's jockstrap and find a new hobby. Or buy a PS3 already and consummate your tempestuous love affair.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 6:57PM (Unverified) said

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I agree with el serpiente, If you guys were analyst youd be the shittiest ever.

Same ol shit theyve been saying for the past year

"Sony failed by including blu-ray"
"Nobody needs hdmi"
"its too expensive"
"it has no games"


same ol speculation and Sony continues to shoot them down one by one until they have nothing left to say except that it doesnt come in your favorite color.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 7:34PM (Unverified) said

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@marty

you really want it both ways don't you? Often times you have said HD gear is not important to the average consumer and in fact you don't even have an HD TV set. Now your saying most people are buying PS3's as a next gen Blu-Ray player and not for games. Also, you (and others) often say that the PS3 does not have great exclusive games. So by your own retarted logic the attach rate should be low yet you still say developers will be shy about making games for it. You Sir are truly an idiot X-bot and it makes me sick.

I think a very small amount of people bought the PS3 as a next gen movie player only. I happen to have all 3 consoles and enjoy them all for different reason. I think for someone to buy a PS3, even if for mostly Blu-ray, surely they are at the very least a moderate gamer. When the heavy hitters and acclaimed games come out this year more games will be purchased. Low attach rates can be attributed to different factors and can't solely be put on the fact that PS3 owners don't buy games. My guess is a lot of people own 360 and PS3 and as we know whatever the lead platform is will most likely have the superior version (see EA). I have just as many PS3 games as 360 games (about 15 or so on each owned both since launch). But, I have bought MOSt (not all) multiplat or sports titles for 360 because they are simply better. But this is not a hardware issue rather a software issue with the Developers trying a standard last gen port.

Again Marty you Sir do not have a clue and you need to stop hating.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 12:51PM vidguy said

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I see no real value in the PS3 other than as a BluRay player. I'd rather wait until BluRay is available en masse at local rental shops. By that time I'll be able to get a standalone player for $150.

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 1:19PM foxhound said

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Personally, I had the PS2 before I had a stand alone DVD player years ago... I'm fairly certain a significant amount of other gamers were in the same situation.

Can't blame them for attempting a working strategy twice. Their competition has.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 1:42PM vidguy said

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The difference, Fox, is that the PS2 was released 3 years after the initial retail of DVDs. The inclusion of the drive was genius because the market was ready for it; the early majority was waiting with money in hand. It was also cheaper than it would have been in 1997/98.

In contrast, the PS3 includes a BluRay when the market is young. The drive is costly and the only ones BluRay has been selling to are the early adopters. We're probably a year or two off from the early majority. The decision is paying off in terms of winning the format war, but I still think the high price tag isn't worth it yet.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 2:14PM (Unverified) said

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You realize that there's a ton of Blu-Ray movies available at Netflix and Blockbuster, right? And that most major movies are released in HD now, and now that HD-DVD is dead, they'll all be in Blu-Ray? And they have a pretty decent selection of older movies as well. If I remember correctly, it's something on the order of 450 movies on blu-ray. Seems pretty en-masse to me.

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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 2:24PM foxhound said

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Vidguy,

You made some good points there, and while I'm not disagreeing on most of it; I should've clarified that with having a game system on the supposed "next gen format"; it eased me from waiting on a cheaper stand-alone player for a price I was willing to pay at the time. And as the other person mentioned, there are a lot of places that do carry BluRay format discs for purchase & rental. I buy most of mine online since it's cheaper, but yeah.
Though I eventually did buy all of the seventh gen consoles(PS3/Wii/Xbox360); I bought them with intent to use them not just for gaming machines but their other multimedia uses. Granted the Wii has the least outward functionality; however - for an example, since it's the smaller of the 3, it's easy to take along with me on vacations compared to the other two.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 1:21PM (Unverified) said

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As a gamer, I see NO more reason to buy the PS3 now than if I ever did. I dont care which movies can be played on my console, I only care what games can be played on them.

I'm happy with my Wii and it barely plays youtube videos, but it plays some really fun and exciting games. I own a 360 and I do NOT have the HD player. I play games, movies schmovies, they all suck since post-matrix anyways in my opinion, lol

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 2:03PM MysticMaven said

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I completely agree with you!
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 2:33PM The Commenter Formerly Known as said

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...10.5 millions disagree
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 2:59PM (Unverified) said

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But not me, which makes it 10.4 million.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 3:39PM (Unverified) said

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Wait a minute... are you saying 10.5 million people bought their consoles to watch movies??? OR are you saying 10.5 million people bought the ps3 to watch blue ray movies???

*did the ps3 even make the 5 million mark in sales??? If 10.5 million ps3s were sold then wouldnt that make it the number one selling console right now?
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 3:46PM (Unverified) said

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billy:

you = idiot
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 4:03PM (Unverified) said

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Since when did asking questions render someone an idiot? So if i ask your name am i an ass??

Anyways, I checked VG chartz (if indeed it is accurate) I had no idea all the consoles have sold so much. Even more shocking, how the hell is it possible for the Wii to sell more than 20 million consoles in under a year. If these numbers are correct, then why arent we all playing Wii and being happy. Not to mention this supports my earlier claim...'Movies Schmovies only games sell a console'.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 12:56PM (Unverified) said

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Well maybe thats just a problem in america marty, because it HAS been moving games quite well overseas.

Heck even in Europe where the 360 has a 1.3 million console lead, the last few weeks its been outselling it in terms of software, heck last week alone it outsold the 360 in terms of software by 50k units.

not bad for a system that "catching" up.

In fact I'm actually surprised the PS3 is getting so close...it may even beat the 360 overall in a few months over there (europe).

But of course even then the Wii is just laughing all the way to the bank (software AND hardware).

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 12:55PM (Unverified) said

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So 10mill and counting right Sony? But whats funny is that for example on Joyswags, they say pick your console of choice for your copy of DMC4 or whatever game. 900 to 1000 posts later you have only about 50-100 asking for it on PS3, IF THAT! So is it teh bloorayz or teh gamez that are making peeps go out and buy a PS3?

Or are the PS360 owners just rather having the game on 360 for some reason? It never fails, 90% for 360 and about 10% for PS3. Wierd, ck teh swagz you will see Im not lying.

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 1:22PM HighFiveJesus said

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Because more people in America have ecksbawks 360 for gods sake, About 3 to one. so what da fuck do you expect. also, its not the big picture. the big picture is that it is more likely the ps3 version being bought more overall.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 2:33PM (Unverified) said

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Though HFJ is a bit "strong" in his comments, I have to agree with him. This is primarily a North American site and I personally find that the majority of the posters on this site are 360-only owners (personal view).

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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 9:27PM (Unverified) said

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@Fenixknight

Good point Fenix and in fact I was one asking for the 360 version. But, this is because I have the PS3 version already (superior in my opinion and the mother console of the game). So I figured what the heck might as well try and steal it on 360 for trade in value or e-bay.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 12:59PM iBubbles said

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I never really cared about Blu-Ray but I cared about the price, and that has already came down to a reasonable number.
The only thing I'm waiting on now is for either Disagaea, Star Ocean, Final Fantasy XIII, or GT5 to come out before I buy one.

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 1:03PM (Unverified) said

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Jack Tretton is a big stupid moron with an ugly face and a big butt and his butt smells and he likes to kiss his own butt!

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 1:08PM (Unverified) said

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And he's not invited to my birthday party at ChukeeCheese!!
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 1:14PM vidguy said

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Man, I wish the Simpsons were still that funny. Classic quote Anni, thanks ;)
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 1:07PM (Unverified) said

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IN Mother Russia, PS3 doesnt buy you !

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 1:09PM Duke said

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Fine, whatever, be happy Sony - it doesn't change the fact that you eat babies. Yeah, i said it, the truth is out and people can stop pretending.

Boycot those PS3 baby eating bastards!

(Oh wait, there's a BluRay of Ratatouille out? I guess maybe you guys aren't that bad. Forget I said anything. Love your stuff. Never change.)

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 1:16PM mogaar said

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Alexander, I don't mean to be a grammar whore, but I believe you meant to use the term "ice floe", not "ice float". Unless HD-DVD is going to be in a parade somewhere...

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 1:27PM (Unverified) said

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Now that Blu-Ray "won" the stand alone players should start dropping in price and with that the BS3 sales should start fall back to release numbers.

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 7:02PM (Unverified) said

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hehe,you can keep thinking that if it helps you sleep at night.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 1:38PM dannylewis said

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The HD format war is over, but the format war isn't over. DVDs are going to be around for some time. Consumers will be happy buying them and playing them on their crappy, $30, upscaling-incapable DVD players on their HDTVs because of DVD's cheaper price. Also, you'll get those who say, "I can't tell the difference."

For Blueray to take off, someone is going to have to make Blueray players in the $50-$100 range, reduce the price of Blueray discs to the same or cheaper than their DVD counterparts, and market the hell out of it.

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 1:52PM Tez said

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As a new HDTV owner, the PS3 compliments it nicely as a all-in-one media box. I can easily transfer HD movies and TV episodes, music, and photos to the hard drive, play hi-def movies in the now apparent winning format, and there are some good games on it to play right now with more on the horizon (subjective, of course- but I'm really looking forward to LBP, Res2, and MGS4). The PSP interconnectivity is great too, and it's also fun to surf the web with a 42" monitor from bed. I'm toying with the idea of installing Linux as well. Overall I think the PS3 is a great piece of hardware, especially since I snagged it on ebay for $300, and I'm having no shortage of uses for it. The Wii is only getting occasional use for Guitar Hero and Geometry Wars right now.

I can understand people hating on PS3 if the ONLY thing they look at is the games, but this thing does so much more than play games that I think it is foolish to judge it on that alone.

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 2:33PM Demaar said

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Meh, it's all about the games. Anyone that buys a PS3 and doesn't use it primarily for games is a twit.

Posted: Feb 21st 2008 9:54AM foxhound said

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-raises hand- I'm apparently a "twit" but with the best multimedia functionality of the seventh generation. And yes, I'm fairly certain I got my money's worth buying the 60GB version.
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Posted: Feb 21st 2008 9:58AM Demaar said

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lol, well, I guess I shoulda said "people that aren't going to buy any games for it". I just felt like being a douche at the time...
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 2:00PM MysticMaven said

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That's hilarious. You made a typo. You put an 's' at the end of 'widely anticipated games'.

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 3:47PM (Unverified) said

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if that's the case, then it looks like you repeated the typo...
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 2:04PM MarkezJM said

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Afternoon friends,

I'd love to be a moronic raving fanboy here, I actually really would. I have a DS, Wii, 360, and PS2. I suppose I should rally against the PS3, but I'm actually just pissed I don't have one. I've heard the fanboy rhetoric, but please, let's be honest, the PS3 doesn't have SQUAT for games. I'm dying to play Uncharted, the new Ratchet & Clank, maybe even Resistance. But cmon, THAT'S IT. System doesn't have SQUAT for games.

As far as Blu-ray??? Unless you're a HD fanatic, 99% of regular folks could absolutely not care less about the supposed 'format war'. $35 beans for a blu-ray disc? Sweet hell, regular DVDs are fine and look fine enough for anyone. Any douche that complains about resolution or quality of regular ol' DVDs should likely throw themselves off a cliff and do a favor for planet Earth.

*takes a bow

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 3:00PM (Unverified) said

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110% on the money man. Pretty much spoke for me and why I don't want a PS3 right now.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 4:02PM Kodros said

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"System doesn't have SQUAT for games." You do realize that other people might like games that you don't like right? This is where that crazy thing called "Choice" comes in to play. You picked the 360 because it has more games that you like. I picked the PS3 because it has more games that I like. See how that works? I know, I know, it's a whacky concept and it may take some time to sink in.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 4:16PM MarkezJM said

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Well, being that your username is tagged loud and clear with "PS3 Fanboy" when I click on it, I'll excuse you as another dumb fanboy bigot (which applies regardless of what system you fanboys are morons for)

"choice" as you call it, means a pathetic library to choose from for the PS3. If all you want to play is a few games I guess you've found paradise this early in the system's launch.

I'll say it again loud and clear, it's a system I want, but you're an absolute dingleberry if you think the PS3 offers any sort of actual game selection. It's early in the system, honestly, you don't have to be such a pro-PS3 dumbass, the games will come.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 5:01PM (Unverified) said

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and yet markez i know many people who have picked up a PS3 and have plenty of games for it AND the 360.

Like he said just because you MAY not like games on it, doesnt mean everyone else wont. I guess sales would attest to that, you dont sell over 10million consoles with nothing to play. (sames goes for the 360 and Wii).

I mean heck i have just as many games for my PS3 as i do my 360 and enjoy them both. (exclusives and multiplatforms alike)
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 5:51PM Kodros said

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Lol, how is my username "tagged loud and clear" as a fanboy? I don't think I have ever said anything bad about the 360 and I don't post stuff praising the PS3.

And who cares about my post record, my point still stands on valid ground.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 6:32PM (Unverified) said

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Say what you will about the library, but White knight Story helps me sleep at night.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 7:10PM (Unverified) said

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Actually that was the most ignorant rant ive ever heard.

NO, nothing is wrong with the quality of DVD, but sir watch a HDDVD or Blu-ray movie on a 120hz HD television and tell me that its not better. Any moron with an eye socket can see the difference. As far as games for ps3 go, maybe thats the only games that you're interested in but that doesnt mean that there arent games available for everyone on the ps3. So by your logic, I recently got my refund check and thought to myself if I should get a 360, then i thought about the hardware failures, then i thought that I would also have to buy the premium or elite, then i thought that i would also have to buy a wireless adaptor. Then theres games, and I cant think of one 360 exclusive that would actually make me shell out money for it. Halo? no thanks. Gears of War? Beat it and again, no thanks. Outside of those two there isnt much of a reason to own it. Im going to buy a psp instead, because of the functionality with my ps3. can we say remote play? So I guess its wherever you seek value, but im not paying 400 bucks for a system that clearly still suffers from the same hardware failures from launch.
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Posted: Feb 20th 2008 2:05PM MarkezJM said

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Oh crap did I mention I still really, really want one?

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 4:07PM (Unverified) said

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People should not be so negative. If you can afford it and you want one then go buy one but don't bash something just because you can't afford one. Just because some people opt for a better picture quality doesn't justify being thrown off a cliff. Also last time I checked Blu-Ray sales are going through the roof, so don't be so envious, just enjoy what you have.

Posted: Feb 20th 2008 4:42PM OMGOMG said

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I think we are burying the lead here. Jason Kidd is a Mav again!

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