I think I speak for all Aussie gamers when I say...

Isn't it time you thought of a better joke?

Let's just laugh at the fact that they only know one joke about Australia. And when that joke is told, they then move on to ask us if we have kangaroos in our yards.

It's quite sad really; the ignorance.

But, don't you have kangaroos in your yards?

Or at least deadly reptiles and spiders?

kangaroos are like their cars, duh!

boy, now i know how the simpsons writers felt after they made fun of australia. next up, new orleans!!

Amusingly, "ban-happy" Australia got the full uncensored version of Fahrenheit (Indigo Prophecy), complete with sex scenes, even at our draconian MA15 maximum rating, whilst America had to wait for an AO rated version.

I'd take that over Manhunt 2 any day of the week.

That is what I was saying, It's not like us Australians are stuck with pokemon and crappy Wii games, And it's not like with an R18+ rating it will be the first time we see BLOOD, SEX or SWEARING in a game either. The only thing this will do is allow more room to rate games, meaning that some of our previous MA15+ games would have received R18+ ratings had this law been in effect when they were released. On another note the things that people get excited about like SEX and BLOOD , are not what makes a good game anyway, and if you don't believe me then you have never played PORTAL.

@ ymode:

I happen to like my crappy Wii games :p

I spose you havent played the Wii Edition of RE4? The controls are so much better compared to the GC (as well as the graphix) that it feels like a whole new game, more fluid and accurate by far. Same with Zelda and Tony Hawk Downhill Jam. I couldnt imagine Metroid Prime 3 without it's controls, that game single handedly proved the Wii has better-than-dual-analog FPS controls. Having the optional Classic/GC controller doesnt mean Nintendo doesnt have faith in thier Wiimote, they're just giving everyone options to make everyone happy (i am sure thats a good thing). Mostly fighting games, like MK Armageddon, DBZ Tenkaichi 2/3 and SSBB have the options since the Wiimote isn't that good for fighting games. Mario Kart Wii is simply giving loyal fans who grew up with traditional controls the option of continuing thier tradition. I can't think of a single Wii game that ONLY lets you use the Wiimote that makes me want traditional controls.

Wow, this shouldn't even BE about the Wii anymore, since it's unrelated to THIS subject.

Australia's pretty relaxed for the most part, but they do get a few games that tend to exceed the MA-15 rating a bit.

Also, the MA15 is the Aus equivalent of the ESRB's M rating. PG is the Aus equivalent of the T rating.

One thing that the Aus rating has that the ESRB doesn't have is the "M" rating that is a middle ground between PG and MA15 (ie. Between T and M is ESRB standards)

I own A LOT of Wii games, and I feel that I can't go back to a traditional controller interface with those games.

That being said, there are exceptions to that rule. For example Dragonball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 2 (and 3) and Super Smash Bros. Brawl. These games require a more traditional approach which Nintendo has been all too happy to cater to since they allow you to use the Classic Controller and GCN Controller with these games and even encourage it. (Of course all of this has already been said...)

With all of the Wii games I own, in my opinion, it's far from being a gimmick or a joke. There are certain games which use the Wiimote in such a way which are wholly shallow and stupid, but there are other games which use the functions available in extremely clever ways. It's enough to bring a smile to my face because I know that Zack & Wiki would never be able to function on any other console and that because of the alternative that Nintendo has given us, this game DOES exist.

There are many traditional games which have benefited from Wiimote + Nunchuk functionality. The easiest example to cite is Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition. Also, I personally felt that the Wii version of Twilight Princess is superior to the GCN version. I own and have finished both versions of the game 100%.

As for the next generation, Nintendo will continue with the Wii's motion based and IR pointing functionality, you can count on it. But they would NEVER try to do anything like the SIXAXIS. They would have to give up two independent motion sensors which is available with the Wiimote + Nunchuk option and they would also have to remove the IR pointing function as well. There are very good reasons why the Wiimote is designed the way it is.


I mean no offence by this, but I think you have missed the entire point of Wii. But that's fine, most people don't really get it at all.

On the other hand, I do :p and I get to enjoy Wii games along with everything else.

I should clarify what I meant when I said
"most people". I mean more traditionalist gamers... sometimes they're referred to as "hardcore" gamers for some reason I'll never understand.

And you're right, Wii isn't "next-gen" in terms of how traditionalist gamers perceive "next-gen" to be. I think that Wii is a completely new generation of gaming, which it has been proven by the new kinds of audiences it has attracted. You've said that A LOT of people have bought Wii, and the majority of those people is made up of this new audience which Wii has reached out to pretty successfully so far.

It's obvious that Wii will never bring more traditionalist gamers the experiences they'll be having on the PS3 and 360, but that is the entire point of why Wii was created. Otherwise, if Nintendo went the "me too" route, they'd be struggling right now and a lot of games that have been born out of Wii would never have come into existence.

As for Wii's progression on motion + IR based controls. I've had the system since launch and have been buying games for it steadily since then. I can say with absolute certainty that there has been an improvement in quality in terms of motion + IR controls and I am extremely positive about the future.

And of course, you are right about the motion controls not feeling perfect, for a lot of games they really are far from being perfect, but for other games, they're tight and extremely responsive and I can't imagine them without it... furthermore, they'll get better. It's still very new technology in terms of console videogames so it's not as if everyone can come up with the greatest controls over night. There is a level of complexity with all of this that I don't think a lot of people appreciate.

I think this is a great step for Nintendo to be taking because no one else will. The need to experiment with control interfaces is extremely important. So, as long as developers are smart about the way they make their games and put some good thought and effort into them, I can't see how Wii will fail to bring us fun and interesting games.

You mean that optional filter that you can choose to have disabled? Like parental controls in consoles or on cable?

Yeah, I see your point. I mean, it won't matter to me, because I'll still be able to visit any website I want, but it'll really suck that kids won't be able to see 2girls1cup anymore.

It's optional but you get put on a list if you don't use them. Good luck getting a job when you're on the perverts list.

And Labor has tried mandatory filtering in some states. Sure it was a complete failure but that's never stopped politicians before.

As an Australian I am fully aware that Tasmania does not exist and is just a myth. =)

XD There are many people who see me as a Nintendo fanboy simply because I'm ready to defend them on certain issues, so the feeling is mutual.

On the attach rate issue, it has been pretty clear that Nintendo has been aware of the issue since before Wii was even released. It's not enough to make a console that will attract a new audience, there has to be a plan to make that audience come back for more... and that's why Wii Fit exists.

The average gamer HATES the very existence of Wii Fit, or so I've noticed, but it's a great idea. When it does get released in North America, Europe and Australia, it's going to be extremely interesting to see how it sells. I believe Nintendo is going to be very aggressive with the way it markets Wii Fit to that new audience and they'll do everything they can to make them aware that it exists.

With all of that talk about the new audience, we have to also realise that Wii's overall audience is still made up of Nintendo fans and regular gamers as well. And while I do agree that the software attach rate is low at this stage, I've found that I've bought so many Wii games in less than a year that I've come to half of the amount of GameCube games I've bought in its entire lifetime... which is quite big step in the right direction.

To add to that, there are more games on the way for that new audience, casual audience and the more... "hardcore" audience if they're not the kind to choke at the very sight of Nintendo in the first place...

The attach rate may be low, but at the rate Wii's are selling, I don't think Nintendo minds at this point... but it seems to me that they do have a lot planned for the future. They've got Wii Fit ready to go outside of Japan, they've got Brawl, Mario Kart and other more traditional Nintendo games ready to go. They're about to launch WiiWare and are continuing with their expansion of Virtual Console titles and system support, and they're reaching out to third party developers as best they can. I mean... who knew that Fatal Frame/Project Zero would be coming to Wii, or that Capcom would bring over Monster Hunter 3.

There are obvious challenges with Wii, and Nintendo really needs to be smart with the way they handle things because some of what they're trying to achieve is in unknown territory... and you're right, things could go badly for them in the long run, but I'm glad they tried to do something different in the first place.

I'd hate to be playing the same damn thing on all three consoles.

~ Lynk


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