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Posted: Feb 25th 2008 3:51PM LetsHaveWaffles said

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And yes I'm talking about in a game. If I knew that the CPU in single player on hardest difficult were being controlled by another person. I would kick their ass. (also I would do that in real life too if someone shot me, but who wouldn't?)
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Posted: Feb 25th 2008 3:45PM Korova Pamplona said

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I am beginning to suspect that the problem with all these studies is not the science, its how raw detector data is translated into sensationalist conclusions. Elevated level of activity or chemical = your son is a masochistic psychopath or, what was the other recent one, lowered activity or chemical = games desensitize to killing! What!

Scientists make the wildest leaps of reasoning from biochemical indicators to sociology, psychology, philosophy. I am pretty sure these people have very little training in the latter. They should stick to pumping out data and let others interpret it.

They only manage to squeeze out some sensationalist bullshit to attract more funding. They are no better than the anti-gaming politicians and religious freaks.

Posted: Feb 25th 2008 7:07PM (Unverified) said

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Actually, scientific studies in themselves are generally fairly unbiased. Assuming we're talking about genuine ones (ie. following the scientific method, not of the biased industry-sponsored variety), they will provide a procedure, hypothesis, etc, and the data. They may draw some conclusions from the data, but they're usually of the less sensationalist type (in other words, there is a correlation between higher scores and the psychosis test and less anxiety vs. those who felt less anxiety were psychotic).

What usually happens is that the media takes the summary of the data, and draws unfounded conclusions for a better story. It just doesn't look quite as good to have a bunch of observations that are in no way, shape, or form conclusive. Instead, things are blown way out of proportion; causation (x causes y) is substituted for correlation (x is seen at the same time as y), and sensationalist lines like "playing Halo makes you psychotic" are born (speaking of which, the other summary of the study that I've seen makes no mention of this little attention grabber).

Now, I'm not saying that real scientists don't make exaggerated claims in order to get more money. In any profession, you're going to find people who mix in a little marketing where it doesn't belong. However, consider this before you make sweeping statements about science: you've just read a summary of a summary of a summary. The actual research isn't even available for free. I'd be willing to bet that if you go into the conclusions of the scientist, they never say anything that is quite as sensationalist. It's more likely that they make some tenuous arguments that is based on the data, which in turn was taken by the media, who drew its own paper-selling (or eyeball-grabbing, depending on your style) conclusions. Once again, the report isn't available for free, so if you happen to have access, feel free to correct me. Otherwise, stop making wild claims based on limited knowledge of the case at hand.
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Posted: Feb 27th 2008 2:46AM Korova Pamplona said

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A very fair point. I assume I have again fallen victim to media distortion and sensationalism. However, I cant help thinking that scientists sometimes pick their research topics and make conclusions that lend themselves to such wild misinterpretation. Why did they study video games in the first place? The title of the study seems pretty baited: "The psychophysiology of James Bond: Phasic emotional responses to violent video game events." It just seems completely loaded and attention seeking.

Of course, it could all just be terrible journalism, which I do not doubt for a second.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2008 4:09PM (Unverified) said

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Either the title of the post here on Joystiq is very misleading, or the article itself is.

Since when did "become less anxious" and "enjoy" become sylables?

I would be less anxious when walking down stairs than I would playing quarterback in the Super Bowl with everyone relying on me and my 50 million dollar contract, but that doesn't mean that I'd enjoy the former more.

Seriously, this is the dumbest study ever. Obviously people are less anxious about something when it is over (IE they died) than they are when they are doing it.

Posted: Feb 25th 2008 5:25PM (Unverified) said

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Wow, how did "sylables" come out when I meant to say "synonyms"?

I guess I'm the dumb one afterall...
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Posted: Feb 25th 2008 5:33PM Shmil said

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synonyms* not syllables
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Posted: Feb 26th 2008 2:02AM Soulcrux42 said

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Learn 2 spell, noob
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Posted: Feb 25th 2008 4:01PM Rax Dakkar said

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When I did a project this year about the media fascination with Serial Killers, I found an interesting note on why this may be. The fact that our life spans are now 70+ means we don't see death all that often. Being that death is a natural process, the mind actually needs to see and feel death, and that our fascination in serial killers is part of our longing to see and feel death. I wouldn't see it as much of a stretch to say that for the same reason, people find video game death an experience they enjoy feeling, as opposed to absolutley avoiding.

Posted: Feb 25th 2008 4:42PM Duke said

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Seems to me that when you are playing you are tense about being shot - and then when you are that tension vanishes, leaving you to either start the cycle again or laugh about the death if there was something funny there.

Also, when you shoot someone you get anxiety as you wait for someone to then return the favor to you. This seems like basic reactions to me.

Posted: Feb 25th 2008 5:39PM Korova Pamplona said

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Completely agree. But now not only we know, but the scientists know.

Doesnt that make you feel a little like the monkey in a lab cage. "Of course I like bananas! These dopes just spent half a million dollars figuring out that I like to eat bananas and scratch my butt."

Except we are of the same specie and they could have just asked.
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Posted: Feb 25th 2008 4:48PM ThornedVenom said

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I'm not sure if sadomasochism could be applied here.

Posted: Feb 25th 2008 8:22PM (Unverified) said

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Really? Because whenever I get killed in CoD4, all I get is pissed off. Of course, that could be due to 99% of those deaths resulting from M16s and gernades.

Posted: Feb 25th 2008 11:04PM (Unverified) said

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So what I got out of it was this; we're all emo.

That makes me so sad, I'm going to cut myself! Or maybe play another game of CoD4 and knife somebody. That makes me feel happy.

Posted: Feb 26th 2008 1:10AM Demaar said

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I play FPS games (a fair lot of them) and I sometimes have nightmares of being shot. Horrible, terrible nightmares that I wake up in a cold sweat from. I'd like to smack these dicks upside the head.

Posted: Feb 26th 2008 1:58AM Soulcrux42 said

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I don't think this applies to me all the time. I get extrmely pumped and excited when I do extremely well (ie. Halo 3: Double Kills, really epic pwning session with a shotgun} but then i suppose i start get really anxious when 2 guyys are heading at me with battle rifles and Im alone. Then when I die im just like "shit...ah well. now to respawn and get them back!"

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