Ziff Davis: EGM, 1UP publisher files for bankruptcy protection

That's exactly what I was thinking.

DIE! DIE! DIE! EGM AND 1UP!

I can't wait for the day crybaby Dan Hsu has to look for a new job. This is what you get for your bias.

DIE EGM AND 1UP DIE!

I think you might need to see a therapist about that.

No. 1up is crap. They deserve to go bankrupt for the crap that they write. I had to stop visiting the site after repeated biased reviews.

"They deserve to go bankrupt for the crap that they write."

Hm. I can't help but be amused at the irony of your comment, Hunter.

I think EGM gets more money from adds in their magazine than from subscription sales. That's why there is 100 fucking adds per ten pages in EGm.

And it doesn't help that Joystiq was giving away free subscriptions to EGM.

Those free subscriptions Joystiq was linking to don't help legit subscriptions, but they do help sell advertising ("We have [insert number inflated by free subscription] readers! Advertise with us!")- which is better than nothing.

Still, it's merely a stay of execution. The axe will fall eventually.

For someone who talks alot of shit about them you sure don't offer any sort of valid criticism as to why they are so bad and how they could do better.

Did they hurt your feelings when they cut down your letter to them with a "hilarious" reply?

Ah. The Grey Fox! I am honored.

I happen to kind of like the magazine, however 1up.com is one of the most shoddily run websites out there. Absolute garbage. Hell look at the reviews listed on the main page, two listed for Magical Starsign, two listed for Mario vs. DK??? How old are these DS games anyway?!

It's bushleague I say! Hell the last time I can remember actually paying for a videogame mag subscription was Nintendo Power in the days of yore. I mean cmon, it came with an NES game, totally high technical schweet. Have a free subscription to Game Informer now, and before that had a free subscription to EGM.

I prefer EGM's reviews to most others since you get view points from several reviewers. It's not uncommon to see reviewers differ by 2-3 points (on a 10 point scale) on the same game. While at first that may seem bad, it's actually very useful. All you have to do is read each review and see which person most closely matches how you think you would feel about the issues listed.

I would have to side with Kizzle, that overall, the Magazine blows. For one thing, its about 30 pages long...20 of those pages being ads. Whats unfortunate, the missing pages are not accounted for on 1up.

However, one thing I tip my hat to EGM for is their interviews. They ask some tough questions, and I appreciate that. IGN throws a lot of softballs.

GreyFox - nope, I wouldn't waste my time writing a letter to that rag, sorry. Way to grab for the most obvious reply though. Your creative juices must be flowing.

You want to know WHY I think that? Read the fucking thing, it should be free to just about anyone at this point! It's pretty obvious. Althoguh I guess you're an easily amused monkey who thinks their humor is downright knee-slapping. Congrats!

Their reviews...ugh, their reviews. They have a miniscule amount of space to write about games since they insist on splitting it up 3 ways, and then they waste a chunk of THAT arguing with each other or making snarky comments at each other. Nice going!

The internet has made them completely obsolete and they had a bitch of a time trying to adapt, so they resort to "making waves" by - for instance from two years ago - supposedly asking Peter Moore some EXTREMELY TOUGH QUESTIONS...and then let him off the hook when he gives a blow-off answer. Some hard-hitting journalism that is. Then they wait a year to follow up and once again just swallow the corporate spin under the guise of being tough.

But don't you dare say EGM is biased towards ANYTHING! You're likely to get some BIG retaliation...in the form of "Shoe" writing another long-winded, bullshit editorial about how they won't sell out to anyone and they are HERE FOR GAMERS. Are they trying to convince us, or themselves?

I used to enjoy EGM several years ago back when they took their jobs seriously. Now they are not the least bit respectable. Hey, EGM ruled back in the 90's - I remember as far back as 1991 getting a 250+ page issue, and they only got bigger over the next 3-4 years. Sure, they'd thin out during the summer, but once fall/winter rolled around...those things were almost the size of a local telephone book. Yeah, there were a lot of ads, but there was still a ton of content. Stuff like that blows away anything EGM has done in the last 5 or 6 years (the "We think we're hilarious! / Here's more filler" era). The last time I read a really solid article by them was prior to the XBox launch where they had what must have been a sixteen-page or more spread with developers alongside plenty of previously unknown information and a nice dose of respectable journalism as well. That was EIGHT YEARS AGO. Time for this rag to die.

I don't wish unemployment or bad fortune on anyone, but...uh, I don't know how to finish that statement.

Kizzle

I agree with some of what you're saying but you missing my previous point: you're slagging them (with even a few good points) without offering, at the very least, better examples of what they should be doing. You just look like you're e-raging because they have to spread their content throughout their printed and online media.

I am a happy owner of their last thick issue: their Halo 2 exclusive back in 2002 or 2003. I miss those :(

Christ is it ever. Considering most other mags/sites are total garbage that sell their reviews for ad space this is very, very bad for gaming journalism.

Not to suck up or anything, but I'll take Justin's Rare rants about a "Bear, with a bird, in a backpack" over 1up Yours any day!

Amen, next to the Gamers with Jobs one, 1up yours is my favorite podcast, and that is with someone as unlikeable as Shane Bettenhausen. (damn you journalists and your weird names.)

My Sports Anomaly is not the same without Fragile EAgle

but is that really saying much?

not trying to be a dick, i honestly dont know the credibility/standards of PC gaming mags.

Just received my first free mag too and had the exact same experience, pity