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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 11:30AM Zertoss said

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Wasn't the original Super Smash Bros. rated E, while Melee received a T rating?

So much for franchise blanket ratings.

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 11:38AM AwesomeTown said

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It was probably the addition of Dr. Mario and him throwing "drugs" at people and whatnot.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 11:42AM Zertoss said

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Or the Peach and Zelda upskirts.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 11:55AM Ranus Studios said

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Pretty sure Jak II got upped to a T, too.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:03PM The Wicker Man said

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"It was probably the addition of Dr. Mario and him throwing "drugs" at people and whatnot." we should all be so lucky as to be accosted by doctor mario. ;)
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 2:13PM kip said

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Sands of Time was T, but Warrior Within and Two Thrones were M. (Then for the Rival Swords for Wii they dropped most of the blood to get back to a T rating.)
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 8:34PM (Unverified) said

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Call of Duty 4 was also the first M rated Call of Duty game.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 11:35AM heypaul said

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"...the ESRB rates sequels based on "parity," meaning whatever the game's predecessor received is what the sequel will receive."

That can't be entirely true, and we all know it from the whole Manhunt ordeal.

Oh and also, haha Boner...

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 3:01PM Ghen said

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I read the article.. by parity they meant most current games get the rating of the previous game, but its not set in stone. If its only minor differences, even if they cross the 'line' its kept at the same rating, but major differences get bumped up a rating level.

Still a stupid complexity. They say its to promote customer confidence with their system, but I say that people have short attention spans and the only ones who will fuss are geeks that don't use the rating system anyway.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 11:48AM (Unverified) said

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Alex is hott.

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:04PM The Wicker Man said

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Alex Vance is indeed, but her sister pat...

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:04PM (Unverified) said

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A 16 rating would be a good idea.

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:46PM R V said

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WHY? We have a 17+ rating and an 18+ rating. There is no need for a 16+ rating, even if you drop the 18+.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 1:47PM Larz said

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I agree with him. Adults Only sounds so seedy, like it's porn. And that's probably the only reason that no stores will sell an 18+ game. I assumed he meant really to re-label AO to M and drop the age of the current M rating to 16 (and call it something else too).
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:07PM Deck said

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Seems he has some good ideas, but it would help if we know what actually was true.

I don't understand the secrecy part of it really. I mean , after all it is just a rating.

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:09PM duerra said

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The ESRB reminds me of the MPAA movie ratings. The outcome is the formation an industry cartel that controls the media that people see. The ESRB is ripe for abuse - and I agree with this guy - the AO rating *has* to go. The only purpose it serves is to, for all practical purposes, censor a game from the market.

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 1:21PM (Unverified) said

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How does the ESRB have any ability to control the media people see? There is still the internet which is a far more viable distribution method for games than for movies.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 2:17PM kip said

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It controls the video games that people can play. Like Manhunt 2. Even though technically they had the freedom to release the AO game, or to rescind the rating and release it without any rating, the manufacturers wouldn't have licensed the game and retailers wouldn't have carried it. So it is a kind of de facto censorship.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:10PM duerra said

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(That reminds me - for any of you that have not seen "This Film is Not Yet Rated", it is well worth your time!)

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:10PM Ranus Studios said

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I know that sometimes sequels get a higher rating than their predecessors, but has there ever been a sequel that got downgraded? Like from M to T?

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:23PM Drake Lake said

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Found one series that did that: the Elder Scrolls.

Daggerfall is rated M, while its sequel, Morrowind, is rated T. However, the rating went back up to M for Oblivion.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 1:44PM DonaldMick said

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And Oblivion started out as a T until someone found the topless textures, IIRC.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:20PM Roto13 said

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Adding to the list of games that were rated differently than their prequels, Prince of Persia: Sands of Time was a Teen rated game while Warrior Within was rated M. I don't trust this guy.

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:26PM (Unverified) said

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This goes with Ranus Studio as well, Prince of Persia: Rival Swords got a T rating even though I believe the original got an M rating. Also Twilight Princess got a T rating even though I think it should have been E10+. They said it had blood but I looked all over for the blood.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:31PM Tez said

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Wait, they don't play the games, they just watch a movie made by the publisher? What a worthless organization.

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:46PM mrmobius said

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Don't forget 700 games in 6 months. Thats about 116 a month, about 5 a day. Must be pretty short videos as well. Can't imagine getting much insight into a game by that. Lets not forget that watching a video doesn't give same feeling as playing the game.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:56PM brisk said

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Sure it doesn't give the same feeling, but then again they are not reviewing the game, merely rating it so watching a video to figure out the content makes some sense.

Although to truly make the ratings fair they would have to watch EVERY part of the game, and im sure that would take a hell of a lot of more time then they are willing to use.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 1:16PM (Unverified) said

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They assign ratings on content, they have no need to play the game.

The imperative is on the developer to show the most extreme content in the game. If the fail to do so they are in breach of contract, which allows the ESRB to collect fines, or prevent them from attain ratings for future games.

For them to play through every game it would require more man power which means the cost of a rating would increase. This would make it harder for smaller developers to get a rating.

The only thing wrong with the ESRB is the Ao rating, and that is more the fault of retailers and the big 3 developers than anything.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2008 12:56PM Najaf said

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"One of Bonner's great reveals is that the ESRB rates sequels based on "parity," meaning whatever the game's predecessor received is what the sequel will receive."

Well I guess they did not get that memo when Manhunt 2 arrived for review. *rolls eyes*

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 1:13PM (Unverified) said

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Oh come on, That "Parity" thing is such BS. I'll add another series that goes against this to the list.

Shadow Hearts 1- M
Shadow Hearts 2- T

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 1:47PM KohathM said

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The ESRB actually does a good job and performs a valuable service. Parents don't want their 8-year-old kid playing Grand Theft Auto, and those parents are right to not want that. The ratings service provides good information.

Some people do stupid things with the informational ratings that the ESRB provides. That's because some people are just stupid. They would do even stupider things without it.

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 1:49PM (Unverified) said

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The parity thing is true, just not in the sense you're all taking it in.

Link: http://www.esrb.org/ratings/faq.jsp#15

Under "How does the rating process work":
"raters will then further discuss the game until they reach consensus on a final recommendation. ESRB staff will review the final rating recommendation and rater feedback, conduct a parity examination where appropriate to maintain consistency in rating assignments, and issue a certificate with the official rating assignment to the game's publisher."

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 2:38PM hoop said

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Unnecessary quote of the day:

Stewie: "Bonner? What the hell's a bonner?"

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 5:29PM (Unverified) said

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I kinda agree with some of what he says. I think there should be an E10, T(13+), then a T(15 or 16), then M would be changed to 18. No adults only, assuming M can still be sold in stores.

Posted: Mar 6th 2008 11:56PM (Unverified) said

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I have a few things to say here, but please understand that I am extremely hampered by a non-disclosure and non-disparagement agreement that I had to sign to work at the ESRB in the first place. That is a big reason why there aren't any real specifics or examples in the article and some points aren't as fleshed out as I would have liked them to be. Before submitting the article to EGM, both the agreements I signed and the article itself were reviewed by a corporate, contract law attorney with 30+ years experience, so I wasn’t flying blind here.

Ultimately, you can liken this to being in a bare knuckle, steel cage match with both hands tied behind your back and then, and only then, will you begin to understand the difficulties in writing this piece in the first place.

Now, onto my points:

1. I was not fired by the ESRB. I left of my own accord and on good terms. The ESRB will verify this. My leaving was more in relation to the 4 hour daily commute (2 hours up and 2 hours back) that I had to deal with to work there in the first place.

2. Do I have more to say about the ESRB? Yes. A lot. And they know that.

3. Can I or will I say/write anything else about the ESRB? No. Recent events in my life have shown me that all of this matters little in the grand scheme of things. Don't get me wrong, I love video games and the "gaming lifestyle" with a sincere passion and hope to write about other video game related topics everywhere and anywhere I'm asked to (if I’m ever asked to…) again.

4. If that response was written by Pat Vance then I am the King of Siam. The ESRB employs PR/Marketing people and lawyers and the like, whose sole purpose on this planet is to "spin" things. Remember, I'm just one guy with an informed opinion. I do not consider myself “disgruntled” or “angry” in any way. Things just didn’t work out at the ESRB. So it goes. I would suggest that you read the entire article (not just the synopsis that is posted in GP), which is exceptionally fair and balanced, before throwing words like that around.

5. I have one, other thing to say in regard to the ESRB's response (in which, they basically call me a liar) to what I wrote: if my comments are so "misleading," "inaccurate" and "misrepresentative" then why aren't they suing me (for libel or breach of contract or whatever…) into oblivion right now?? Food for thought, eh?

I truly appreciate all of the thoughtful comments and the intelligent debate this article has sparked. I was never a big fan of the “X-Files” but I’m going to borrow that show’s mantra here: the truth is out there. This article is just the first step on a much larger journey to obtaining that truth. For various reasons, I can only take this first step…but I do wish a hearty “Godspeed” to those who decide to take up where I leave off…

Posted: Mar 11th 2008 3:12PM hvnlysoldr said

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The only M rated game I own is RE4 so yeah doesn't affect me too much. I mean I like the concepts of a lot of M rated games but I haven't bought them.

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